Basically, all Dershowitz does is say that "extremists" like neo-Nazis say things similar to what Walt and Mearsheimer are arguing in their paper. And you really think that such smear tactics by Dershowitz is a compelling argument? Give me a break. Dershowitz's smear piece is garbage.

If Walt and Mearsheimer are lying and making false claims and errors, give me just one example of a false claim or error they made.

4/26/2006 10:53:48 AM

Walt and Mearsheimer are using smear tactics. Their smear pieve is garbage.

do you see what i did there?

4/26/2006 10:55:51 AM

Dershowitz: "Walt and Mearsheimer's paper says the same things neo-Nazis and other extremists say. They also make some errors and don't use good logic. Trust me."

See what Dershowitz did there?

If Walt and Mearsheimer made all these "errors", show us one of these "errors". Don't give us Dershowitz's tired allegations.

4/26/2006 11:01:17 AM

so basically, you are saying that they do what you do

[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 11:02 AM. Reason : .]

4/26/2006 11:02:38 AM

YOU demanding PROOF OF ANYTHING from anyone else on the entire planet is the fucking epitome of hypocrisy.

4/26/2006 11:02:41 AM

My bad

[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 11:09 AM. Reason : error]

4/26/2006 11:03:27 AM

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"ZIONIST POWER OVER U.S. GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA CONFIRMED BY RENOWNED AMERICAN SCHOLARS"

hahahaha....how many times has this been posted??


"I HAVE POSTED THAT ARTICLE 18 TIMES!!! ITS TRUE"......ITS ALSO MY ONLY RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION OF JEWISH CONTROL OF THE MEDIA!!!"

4/26/2006 11:07:13 AM

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"In 1979, Waltz predicted the cold war would continue into the next century. For someone who is considered one of the best writers on international relations, this is a pretty big error."

We're talking about Stephen Walt. I don't know who this Waltz you're talking about is.

Do you have a source for this claim?

Making a prediction and then being wrong is not the same thing as making a factual error.

4/26/2006 11:07:44 AM

when im done with this assignment om gonna start cutting and pasting the responses to this from the other times it was posted

4/26/2006 11:09:24 AM

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"ahahaha, you really used synonyms as your proof"

haha..true....thats almost as bad as when he tried to win an argument based on grammar

4/26/2006 11:09:29 AM

FROM THIS VERY SAME FUCKING THREAD

Quote :

"salisburyboy All American 7996 Posts user info edit post Quote : "fantasies about Zionist plots" It's not "fantasy." It's publicly documented FACT: ZIONIST POWER OVER U.S. GOVERNMENT AND MEDIA CONFIRMED BY RENOWNED AMERICAN SCHOLARS http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060320-124726-1902r Quote : "Pro-Israel lobby in U.S. under attack WASHINGTON, March 20 (UPI) -- Two of America's top scholars have published a searing attack on the role and power of Washington's pro-Israel lobby in a British journal, warning that its "decisive" role in fomenting the Iraq war is now being repeated with the threat of action against Iran. And they say that the Lobby is so strong that they doubt their article would be accepted in any U.S.-based publication. Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, author of "The Tragedy of Great Power Politics" and Professor Stephen Walt of Harvard's Kenney School, and author of "Taming American Power: The Global Response to U.S. Primacy," are leading figures American in academic life. They claim that the Israel lobby has distorted American policy and operates against American interests, that it has organized the funneling of more than $140 billion dollars to Israel and "has a stranglehold" on the U.S. Congress, and its ability to raise large campaign funds gives its vast influence over Republican and Democratic administrations, while its role in Washington think tanks on the Middle East dominates the policy debate. And they say that the Lobby works ruthlessly to suppress questioning of its role, to blacken its critics and to crush serious debate about the wisdom of supporting Israel in U.S. public life. "Silencing skeptics by organizing blacklists and boycotts -- or by suggesting that critics are anti-Semites -- violates the principle of open debate on which democracy depends," Walt and Mearsheimer write. "The inability of Congress to conduct a genuine debate on these important issues paralyses the entire process of democratic deliberation. Israel's backers should be free to make their case and to challenge those who disagree with them, but efforts to stifle debate by intimidation must be roundly condemned," they add, in the 12,800-word article published in the latest issue of The London Review of Books. The article focuses strongly on the role of the "neo-conservatives" within the Bush administration in driving the decision to launch the war on Iraq. "The main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the Likud," Mearsheimer and Walt argue." Given the neo-conservatives' devotion to Israel, their obsession with Iraq, and their influence in the Bush administration, it isn't surprising that many Americans suspected that the war was designed to further Israeli interests." "The neo-conservatives had been determined to topple Saddam even before Bush became president. They caused a stir early in 1998 by publishing two open letters to Clinton, calling for Saddam's removal from power. The signatories, many of whom had close ties to pro-Israel groups like JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) or WINEP (Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy), and who included Elliot Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Bernard Lewis, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, had little trouble persuading the Clinton administration to adopt the general goal of ousting Saddam. But they were unable to sell a war to achieve that objective. They were no more able to generate enthusiasm for invading Iraq in the early months of the Bush administration. They needed help to achieve their aim. That help arrived with 9/11. Specifically, the events of that day led Bush and Cheney to reverse course and become strong proponents of a preventive war," Walt and Mearsheimer write. The article, which is already stirring furious debate in U.S. academic and intellectual circles, also explores the historical role of the Lobby. "For the past several decades, and especially since the Six-Day War in 1967, the centerpiece of US Middle Eastern policy has been its relationship with Israel," the article says." "

AND THAT TYRANNY VIDEO HAS BEEN POSTED 3 TIMES

4/26/2006 11:18:59 AM

STOP REPOSTING THE SAME STUFF YOU HALFWIT

4/26/2006 11:20:12 AM

STOP REPOSTING THE SAME STUFF YOU HALFWIT

4/26/2006 11:20:49 AM

STOP REPOSTING THE SAME STUFF YOU HALFWIT

4/26/2006 11:21:36 AM

troll on troll

4/26/2006 11:22:16 AM

AND POSTING STUFF THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY POSTED IN THIS THREAD, AND WHEN YOU DID YOU JUST CUT AND PASTE FROM LAST TIME YOU POSTED IT IS NOT TROLLING?

4/26/2006 11:23:34 AM

In salisburyboy's defense, I asked him to clarify a point because I was too lazy to read through the 20+ pages in this thread. He chose to do this by re posting the article, so one of those re posts is my fault.

4/26/2006 11:24:40 AM

its not the first time he's done it
its probably not even in the single digits

4/26/2006 11:25:15 AM

4/26/2006 11:26:40 AM

you are the king of the SB trolls

4/26/2006 11:35:27 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salisburyboy

4/26/2006 11:36:43 AM

ur the King of the Jews...o wait....

4/26/2006 11:36:44 AM

Quote :

"STOP REPOSTING THE SAME STUFF YOU HALFWIT "

4/26/2006 11:41:22 AM

^^^its up for speedy deletion...i put in my 2 cents about why it should stay, you should too.

4/26/2006 12:43:26 PM

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread a dozen times?

4/26/2006 12:58:34 PM

MUST SEE DOCUMENTARY FILM EXPOSING THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11: 9/11: The Road To Tyranny by Alex Jones



In the minds of many, this is the definitive documentary film exposing the truth about 9/11. In my opinion, it is one of the most powerful and important films ever made. It is absolutely a must see. It begins by documenting the historical examples of government-sponsored terror, including a powerful expose of the truth about the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. It then goes on to discuss 9/11 and the elite’s plans to implement a totalitarian police state in the United States.

Here's a website where you can download 9/11: The Road To Tyranny:
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

The first 10-15 minutes of the film consists of Jones introducing the topic and is a little tedious to get through. But after that, the film really picks up as it goes into the evidence on Oklahoma City. So just be sure to get through that opening part because the rest of the film is outstanding.

4/26/2006 1:06:43 PM

MUST SEE DOCUMENTARY FILM EXPOSING THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11: 9/11: The Road To Tyranny by Alex Jones



In the minds of many, this is the definitive documentary film exposing the truth about 9/11. In my opinion, it is one of the most powerful and important films ever made. It is absolutely a must see. It begins by documenting the historical examples of government-sponsored terror, including a powerful expose of the truth about the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. It then goes on to discuss 9/11 and the elite’s plans to implement a totalitarian police state in the United States.

Here's a website where you can download 9/11: The Road To Tyranny:
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

The first 10-15 minutes of the film consists of Jones introducing the topic and is a little tedious to get through. But after that, the film really picks up as it goes into the evidence on Oklahoma City. So just be sure to get through that opening part because the rest of the film is outstanding.

4/26/2006 1:07:50 PM

have you guys seen that film?

4/26/2006 1:08:30 PM

ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT:

MUST SEE DOCUMENTARY FILM EXPOSING THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11: 9/11: The Road To Tyranny by Alex Jones



In the minds of many, this is the definitive documentary film exposing the truth about 9/11. In my opinion, it is one of the most powerful and important films ever made. It is absolutely a must see. It begins by documenting the historical examples of government-sponsored terror, including a powerful expose of the truth about the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. It then goes on to discuss 9/11 and the elite’s plans to implement a totalitarian police state in the United States.

Here's a website where you can download 9/11: The Road To Tyranny:
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

The first 10-15 minutes of the film consists of Jones introducing the topic and is a little tedious to get through. But after that, the film really picks up as it goes into the evidence on Oklahoma City. So just be sure to get through that opening part because the rest of the film is outstanding.

4/26/2006 1:09:47 PM

yeah

4/26/2006 1:10:23 PM

no, but i did hear Alex Jones on Coast to Coast AM, and he didnt convince me then

AND CONSIDERING THAT MOST PEOPLE ON THERE ARE TALKING ABOUT SHADOW PEOPLE AND DEMONS AND STUFF, THATS SAYING SOMETHING

4/26/2006 1:12:38 PM

AND FURTHERMORE, ONE OF HIS VIDEOS IS ABOUT:

Quote :

" Nixon, Eisenhower, and Reagan were members. The Bush Family Maintains a Strong Involvement. Now, for the First Time in History, Alex Jones Brings You Video from His Infiltration of Bohemian Grove. View the Elite Compound and Witness World Leaders Conducting a Bizarre, Occult Ritual, Worshipping a Giant Stone Owl Idol."

4/26/2006 1:19:44 PM

Quote :

"no, but i did hear Alex Jones on Coast to Coast AM, and he didnt convince me then"

Listening to someone talk on the radio is one thing, but seeing the evidence is another. It's easy to dismiss what someone says when you don't go back and check the MSM articles, video, and other evidence and documentation supporting their argument.

You need to see the evidence--like the video from local Oklahoma City news channel reports of multiple unexploded bombs being removed from the Murrah building that is included in 9/11: The Road To Tyranny.

4/26/2006 1:22:01 PM

THIS FILM?

MUST SEE DOCUMENTARY FILM EXPOSING THE TRUTH ABOUT 9/11: 9/11: The Road To Tyranny by Alex Jones



In the minds of many, this is the definitive documentary film exposing the truth about 9/11. In my opinion, it is one of the most powerful and important films ever made. It is absolutely a must see. It begins by documenting the historical examples of government-sponsored terror, including a powerful expose of the truth about the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. It then goes on to discuss 9/11 and the elite’s plans to implement a totalitarian police state in the United States.

Here's a website where you can download 9/11: The Road To Tyranny:
http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

The first 10-15 minutes of the film consists of Jones introducing the topic and is a little tedious to get through. But after that, the film really picks up as it goes into the evidence on Oklahoma City. So just be sure to get through that opening part because the rest of the film is outstanding.

4/26/2006 1:23:05 PM

you seen it guth?

4/26/2006 1:23:36 PM

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"Oklahoma City news channel reports of multiple unexploded bombs being removed from the Murrah building"

Because initial reports are never wrong. Like that one on 9/11 about a car bomb exploding outside the state department.

4/26/2006 1:24:30 PM

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"Oklahoma City news channel reports of multiple unexploded bombs being removed from the Murrah building"

i thought we couldnt trust the MSM since they are all lieing to us and are controlled by the elite Jews.

4/26/2006 1:26:10 PM

i have seen it, i watched it in its entirety a couple years ago or whenever it was first posted

its not convincing, its full of the same fallacies and conjecture that your posts are

4/26/2006 1:26:22 PM

How would they be wrong when they reported that unexploded bombs were removed from the Murrah building?

4/26/2006 1:26:22 PM

this is one of the times where we have to trust them in order to see how untrustworthy they are

initial reports after major events are often wrong. citing an initial report as proof is extremely weak.

[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 1:27 PM. Reason : 666]

4/26/2006 1:26:50 PM

same way the media was wrong about snipers shooting at cops in new orleans

4/26/2006 1:27:01 PM

ooo i c. so sometimes we trust them only to not trust them. gotcha.

4/26/2006 1:30:52 PM

why do y'all keep bumping this to the top?

i don't think i could force myself to read an entire page of it.

[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 1:37 PM. Reason : does anyone actually read this, or is it like the "What song are you listening to" thread?]

4/26/2006 1:37:05 PM

its like the what song are you listening to thread

4/26/2006 1:43:12 PM

Local News Report of Bombs Found in the Murrah Building
http://www.welfarestate.com/okc/news9-c2.wav

Quote :

"REPORTER 1: "We want to update our audience that the Justice Department is reporting that a second explosive device has been found in the A.P. Murrah building in downtown Oklahoma City. Mike, you're still with us aren't you?" Reporter 2: "Yes I am. And I'd like to tell you in addition to that, that in fact what we were told at the scene a few minutes ago was that in fact two different explosive devices were found in addition to the one that went off." REPORTER 1: "So a total of three?" REPORTER 2: "A total of three.""

So, did the Justice Department lie about this "second explosive device" in the Murrah building? Or is the reporter just making that up? And was the reporter lying when he was told at the scene "two different explosive devices" were found in the building?


Website with several links to audio of Oklahoma City local news reports on the multiple bombs in the Murrah building
http://www.welfarestate.com/okc/

4/26/2006 1:47:25 PM

No, they wouldn't send a bomb squad in following a bombing, would they?

Suspicion = fact.

4/26/2006 1:48:32 PM

Quote :

"Suspicion = fact."

They aren't "suspecting" anything. Local news channel people are reporting when the Justice Department, police, and other authorities are telling them that they have removed unexploded bombs from the building.

But according to you, these unexploded bombs didn't exist. It's just all a big "fantasy" I guess.

4/26/2006 1:53:51 PM

and how are the unexploded bombs evidence of a zionist/NWO conspiracy?

4/26/2006 1:56:17 PM

authorities were also initially telling people there were snipers in new orleans

4/26/2006 2:03:35 PM

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"and how are the unexploded bombs evidence of a zionist/NWO conspiracy?"

It's evidence of a conspiracy by the government to cover-up the truth about the event, is it not?

And the evidence of unexploded bombs, though a huge smoking gun, is only a portion of the evidence showing that it was another government-sponsored fake "terrorist" attack. There is also the evidence that the BATF had prior knowledge of the bombing and did not show up to their offices in the Murrah building that morning. Also, the government did not go after the other accomplices (eg, "John Doe #2").

The Murrah bombing is similar to 9/11. With 9/11, the "hijacked planes" were a cover for the bombs in the WTC buildings. With Oklahoma City, the truck bomb was a cover for the bombs in the Murrah building. These covers make it more difficult to trace back to the true culprits, and aid in the framing of patsies.

4/26/2006 2:07:18 PM