Ok, I'm going to have to assume you supported Bush.

And then I'm going to lol at you for talking about how vital it is for the President to exercise leadership over the executive branch.

10/8/2008 9:59:54 PM

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"theres a big difference between the existing executive branch which are govt jobs seperate from his campaign and adding hundreds more to help educate on matters you are expected to be knowledgeable of from the start"

Dude, neither of the candidates have been president before. They'll both require on-the-job training.

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 10:03 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2008 10:03:17 PM

obama will have a lot of help from his chicago buddies who no doubt expect him to return the many favors he owes ... starting with this guy

10/8/2008 10:24:13 PM

For everyone who said Obama basically cannot lose at this point (coughCNNcough)...

Latest Zogby Poll:

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"Obama has slim 2-point lead on McCain By John Whitesides, Political Correspondent Wed Oct 8, 12:41 PM ET NASHVILLE, Tennessee (Reuters) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama has a slim 2-point lead on Republican rival John McCain in a tight White House race, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Wednesday. Obama led McCain by 47 percent to 45 percent in the national poll, within the margin of error of 2.8 percentage points. Obama led by 3 points in Tuesday's poll. "This race is at equilibrium," pollster John Zogby said, adding neither candidate has been able to take full advantage of voter unhappiness with the country's direction."

goes on to say it was taken on Tuesday before the debate, but so was the latest Gallup poll

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081008/pl_nm/us_usa_politics_poll_7

10/8/2008 10:50:35 PM

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"btw your spelling and grammar are atrocious, as usual"

someone should tell treetwista that wont is a word and I used it properly.

10/8/2008 11:00:32 PM

well in fairness, you do often have shitty grammar and spelling...its not the worst trait to have but i know you acknowledge it

and that doesn't change the main point of my post which is that TSB != the USA...if TSB were indicative of the country's political climate, Obama would win 90-10%...in reality, he'll probably win 52-48%

[Edited on October 8, 2008 at 11:44 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2008 11:42:30 PM

I can't believe there are people sucking Henry Kissinger's dick and saying he is an asset to McCain (or that he endorsed McCain). Either way, how is Kissinger a good thing?

War criminal
Approved MANY massacres and genocides
Engineered some massacres and genocides
Indicted/wanted on war crimes and genocide charges in many countries, including Western countries
And a full-on asshole

One of the vilest humans ever to live, right up there with Hitler and Stalin.

10/8/2008 11:47:16 PM

right up there with Hitler and Stalin?

0EP...you have a strong point going, and then you completely fuck it all up by comparing HENRY KISSINGER to ADOLPH HITLER AND JOSEPH STALIN

not the way to make your point, trust me i know

10/8/2008 11:51:34 PM

its not like he won the nobel peace prize or anything

10/9/2008 1:28:05 AM

so winning the nobel peace prize cancels genocide?

and if i brought up Ayers here to show you he has changed since he is a univ prof, you are still going to say he is a terrorist.

oh, and a 3rd i-am-sure hypocrisy on your part: Yasir Arafat won the nobel peace prize, but i am sure you (and most americans) see him as a terrorist.

10/9/2008 1:37:08 AM

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"I'm sure there are plenty of stupid idiots that are inclined to agree with him."

So you're calling Americans stupid idiots?

That's a great way to win an election.

Plus, it'd be very difficult for McCain to "nail" Obama with that, because you'd first have to explain what you think a right is, and then explain why you think American's don't deserve good, affordable health care. That's not easy to do.

Obama's weakest point to attack him on is what they're doing right now: try to smear his character, and remind people he's not white and has a funny name.

10/9/2008 1:38:41 AM

^^NSSM 200 was an overblown research paper...genocide is murdering an entire group of people, not limiting food supplies to particular countries

and yeah arafat was definitely a sponsor of terrorism, but "you people" (some tsb liberals) have given arafat a free pass because of his nobel prize, so why are you blowing kissinger's actions out of proportion?

as far as ayers, i hope he's changed, but all i bet he's changed is his agressiveness...i believe he still has the same ideals...regardless of how much he's changed, he clearly has some major problems with the country, so much that he hates the country...doesnt seem like the type of company a presidential candidiate should take

^i'm pretty sure he was trying to say that Obama supporters were idiots, not Americans...which makes sense to me!

[Edited on October 9, 2008 at 1:45 AM. Reason : .]

10/9/2008 1:43:55 AM

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"well in fairness, you do often have shitty grammar and spelling...its not the worst trait to have but i know you acknowledge it "

the proper phrase is, "mea culpa."

[Edited on October 9, 2008 at 1:44 AM. Reason : I shouldn't post whilst drunk.]

10/9/2008 1:44:14 AM

its fine if you post while you're drunk, but you already called me out for that in another thread, and i already PMed you acknowledging that you were correct

10/9/2008 1:45:33 AM

Bttt for tonight's debate at Hofstra.... let's see if it changes anything (I'm doubtful)

10/15/2008 9:28:19 AM

Obama will win this one, just like the others. It's easy when you're right.

10/15/2008 10:20:38 AM

^ Obama could get cocky and mess up.

I don't think he will, but he may.

10/15/2008 11:35:41 AM

McCain is basically walking into a trap tonight. Obama challenged him to bring up the Ayers thing "to his face", and McCain then promised that he would. Now, Obama has had all the time in the world to prepare the perfect counterpunch and McCain can't back down because he would look weak to his base. Should be quite entertaining to see how this plays out.

10/15/2008 12:22:45 PM

Plus, polling is indicating that the Ayers attacks actually hurt McCain.

Quote :

"It's easy when you're right."

10/15/2008 12:34:18 PM

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"polling is indicating that the Ayers attacks actually hurt McCain."

yet some people still don't see how the media has constantly supported Obama over the last year...the fact that McCain bringing up a terrorist with ties to Obama can hurt MCCAIN is proof of this

10/15/2008 12:39:01 PM

How's that?

Maybe most people just see through the stupidity of the attack.

The fact that you can't is indicative of your bias.

10/15/2008 1:38:25 PM

i heard all that same shit about rev wright when that was supposedly nothing...until obama was 'forced' to cut ties with him and then condemn the main father figure in his life...just bam, 20 years of being a spiritual leader, and then kicked to the curb after some soundclips showed who he truly was...and then all the obama supporters jumped on that bandwagon when the dalai bama gave them the signal, and proceeded to not condone wright's comments any longer

but please, call me biased for questioning the past relationship of a man who wants to be the next president of the US, and a man who was content in bombing US govt buildings...you're enlightened enough to see through the "stupidity" of the attack...

10/15/2008 1:56:47 PM

^^ exactly

the Wright attack had more substance than these Ayers attacks.

The Ayers attacks are so baseless and ridiculous, McCain would be an idiot to try and bring it up during the debate.

McCain has tried the character attacks in the past 2 debates and failed miserably. He should really try and explain why he thinks his health care plan and tax plan are better for America. At worst, he can't lose ground if he does this well.

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"but please, call me biased for questioning the past relationship of a man who wants to be the next president of the US, and a man who was content in bombing US govt buildings...you're enlightened enough to see through the "stupidity" of the attack..."

lol

You don't get it... it's not that people think Ayers is a good guy, it's that in the capacity Obama worked with and knew Ayers, his past was meaningless. Between the conservatives that funded Ayers program, and the conservatives that worked with the program, there's nothing there to question. What exactly are you questioning? Do you think Obama sought Ayers out because of his past? Or do you think Obama saw a chance to work with a well-funded education reform program and jumped on it?

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 2:01 PM. Reason : ]

10/15/2008 1:58:22 PM

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"Do you think Obama sought Ayers out because of his past? Or do you think Obama saw a chance to work with a well-funded education reform program and jumped on it?"

I think he launched his political career from a terrorist's living room, which apparently is no big deal to you guys...and you wonder why people say liberals hate the country

10/15/2008 2:03:00 PM

^ haha that statement is not disingenuous at all.

10/15/2008 2:04:26 PM

i'm just gonna stop....obama supporters cannot be reasoned with...they think he has done no wrong...theres no point in continuing this...holla

10/15/2008 2:05:34 PM

ha, i can certainly see the media bias towards obama, and against mccain. but honestly, sometimes mccain just steps in it

10/15/2008 2:06:16 PM

^^ I read that as you admitting defeating and walking away with your tail between your legs.

I accept your concession.

10/15/2008 2:07:11 PM

call it whatever you want to call it, thats what obama supporters do anyway

10/15/2008 2:09:00 PM

^

but wait...you're back?



[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 2:16 PM. Reason : asdf]

10/15/2008 2:16:29 PM

Twista just can't stop going back on his word in this thread.

10/15/2008 2:18:10 PM

where did i say i was leaving the thread? i said i was abandoning the argument, which i did (reading comprehension FTL)

thanks for proving my point about obama supporters calling things (stopping an argument i can't win) whatever they want to call them (leaving the thread forever)

but fuck that, lets take some cheap shots at treetwista since he isnt in love with obama

10/15/2008 2:43:58 PM

Idiots gave advice and sloth it gave no answer.

10/15/2008 2:46:33 PM

Semantic quibbling + intellectual dishonesty

Twista's calling cards

10/15/2008 2:46:37 PM

constantly trolling non obama supporters while calling them out for trolling

nutsmackr, mcdanger, etc's calling cards

of course you both could prove me wrong by talking about the debates instead of talking about TreeTwista10...

10/15/2008 2:48:09 PM

Where the honor of the day is don't listen, attack

10/15/2008 2:49:38 PM

well thats kind of how presidential debates work nowadays

10/15/2008 2:54:19 PM

nothings forgiven in the four corners of hell.

10/15/2008 3:01:42 PM

are those markov chains?

10/15/2008 3:54:27 PM

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"obama supporters cannot be reasoned with"

You have no idea how to reason.

10/15/2008 4:06:18 PM

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"obama supporters cannot be reasoned with"

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"You have no idea how to reason"

coming from the people who try to sugar coat the past of the most corrupted presidential canidate in history

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 4:10 PM. Reason : ]

10/15/2008 4:09:31 PM

^ this guy's a retad

10/15/2008 4:11:33 PM

anyone who doesn't pledge their undying affection to obama is a retard, amirite

10/15/2008 4:12:22 PM

^^no, thats not true actually

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 4:13 PM. Reason : ]

10/15/2008 4:12:52 PM

nah, he really is a retard, i heard about him. dude's dumb as fuck

10/15/2008 4:12:54 PM

no i dont think you did actually


do you make up lies habitually?

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 4:14 PM. Reason : ]

10/15/2008 4:13:32 PM

I'm surprised you know such a large word, how long have you been working on your undergrad degree now?

10/15/2008 4:14:51 PM

ill have a diploma with a double major from the same university as you


but somehow weve gone off course of what really matters here

[Edited on October 15, 2008 at 4:17 PM. Reason : bttt]

10/15/2008 4:16:33 PM

you know just because youre black, doesnt mean youre obligated to vote for obama

10/15/2008 4:18:54 PM

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"coming from the people who try to sugar coat the past of the most corrupted presidential canidate in history"

What in Obama's past needs sugarcoating?

10/15/2008 4:21:14 PM