don't tell anyone i ever said this

but i agree with Noen



[Edited on August 21, 2009 at 7:26 PM. Reason : god dammit. not on the top of a page!]

8/21/2009 7:25:17 PM

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"It's not that you're "wrong", it's that you tend to have blinders on. If you give the new interactions a chance, you might actually like them. There's a difference between "more clicks to do the same thing", and "more clicks to do something the way *I* always did it before". If a common operation takes longer now that it did, there's a good chance that there's a better way to do it now."

i documented my dislikes 15 pages ago...you weren't able to give me valid alternative to MY particular complaints and you STILL can't...just because YOU think the microsoft way is ALWAYS the better way, in my case it is not...you can disagree, but you are invariably wrong because we are not talking about overall operations, we are talking about ME and MY preferences, of which you are ignorant and unqualified to evaluate...i realize you needed to respond and i am glad for your predictability, but i am not looking to debate with you since you have nothing to contribute (in THIS particular case)

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"Why does it need to go to a partition? Use libraries, they are disk independent. It took me several months to get over this too (I have always done the same thing keeping my files on a separate disk and redirecting my doc folders). Once you get over the hump, it's a much better way of doing things"

my HTPC has an OS drive and a "my documents" drive...my laptop has an OS partition and a "my documents" partition...this allows me to better safeguard my important data in the case of OS failure or reformatting

i have had the same setup since windows 98SE..."my documents" is actually a collection of specific folders (some of the usual "music", "videos", etc are there, but i also have some others)...i neither need nor want microsoft to tell me what my folder structure should be...in XP, i would simply right-click the "my documents" on the desktop and have it point to the partition/drive...how much simpler can it be? my data is not scattered...EVERYTHING is located within the folders on that drive and all i had to do to access it all was double-click "my documents" on the desktop, so i don't need (or want) microsoft to make a library for me since my library is already well-established

that said, i probably don't quite understand how the library system works, so i'll give it a shot before i pass judgment on it...i just can't figure out how adding more steps to my already dirt-simple system is going to be beneficial

Quote :

"don't tell anyone i ever said this but i agree with Noen"

he is a wealth of knowledge...in his FACTS, he is rarely wrong...his biggest problem is that he confuses his opinion with facts and then talks down to anyone who doesn't agree with him...i agree with him on many things, and i respect his knowledge for what it is

8/21/2009 7:51:52 PM

Quote :

"i have had the same setup since windows 98SE..."my documents" is actually a collection of specific folders (some of the usual "music", "videos", etc are there, but i also have some others)...i neither need nor want microsoft to tell me what my folder structure should be...in XP, i would simply right-click the "my documents" on the desktop and have it point to the partition/drive"

Like I said in my last post, I have done the same thing for a long time. You are not unique, and this is still a pretty good best practice.

That's the whole point of Libraries, so they you can keep your folder how and wherever you want. Like I said, you tend to have blinders on to your own specific way of doing things, and getting you to even consider an alternative methodology is like pulling teeth.

In Win7, it's as easy as saying "New Library" and pointing to the folder you want to point it to. There are a number of reasons why this is better than just pointing to a root "My Documents" folder or mapping.

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"i documented my dislikes 15 pages ago...we are talking about ME and MY preferences, of which you are ignorant and unqualified to evaluate...i realize you needed to respond and i am glad for your predictability"

One damn thing, which it turns out you just hold down SHIFT to do. And which you still don't realize the difference between a single click and overall window management improvements. I may be ignorant about your personal preferences, but I am certainly qualified to evaluate the efficiency of them once you make them known. I responded because you made a remark that could be misinterpreted by others (that everything takes "more clicks" in Win7, which is entirely not the case).

8/21/2009 8:54:02 PM

it WOULD be better if it let you stick a network drive (that's not hosted on a windows machine) in a library without having to

1) create a dummy folder
2) add the folder to the library
3) get rid of the folder and replace it with mklink

but since that's what I have to do, it's fucking retarded.

8/21/2009 9:00:27 PM

Quote :

"That's the whole point of Libraries, so they you can keep your folder how and wherever you want. Like I said, you tend to have blinders on to your own specific way of doing things, and getting you to even consider an alternative methodology is like pulling teeth."

i see you forgot to read the part where i wrote: "i'll give it a shot before i pass judgment on it"...i'm not surprised you intentionally ignored me, though...good try

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"you still don't realize the difference between a single click and overall window management improvements"

"improvements" is absolutely subjective, but you don't get that, do you? your OPINION is NOT FACT...you can say that for the AVERAGE user, it decreases time to execution (a possibility i admit, though i'd love to see evidence), but that does NOT apply in ALL cases, as you like to pretend your silly opinion represents...i'm sure there are people that that think that window grouping is an "improvement" as well, but hell if i'm going to group my windows when i've two 22" monitors at my disposal...i'm not some poor fucker running a 15" CRT

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"I responded because you made a remark that could be misinterpreted by others (that everything takes "more clicks" in Win7, which is entirely not the case)"

haha, i'm sorry, but i will never believe that you are here for the SOLE purpose of enlightening others...you get off on your rants and condescending "i-know-everything-and-microsoft-is-god's-gift-to-mankind" attitude, which, contrary to your misguided belief, is not the same as altruism...it's cute that you pretend to be papa bear protecting his youngins from the big bad world of different opinions, though

8/21/2009 9:09:02 PM

man, you're off the deep end

8/21/2009 9:18:39 PM

yeah, yeah, i know...Noen is a microsoft god and he's always right...i don't know what the hell i was thinking, not licking his asshole every time he graces me with his opinion

the opinions of others matter very little to me once i've tried their suggestions and they've not panned out

8/21/2009 9:21:57 PM

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"no shit, really? you mean networking works between OS's? you'd think there was a standard for things like that or something"

I've never had 2 machines on my local network behave very well as far as being able to transfer between them. The few times in the past I tried to get W2k to talk to 98 or XP, it never worked so well for whatever reason.

8/21/2009 9:37:10 PM

Quote :

"yeah, yeah, i know...Noen is a microsoft god and he's always right...i don't know what the hell i was thinking, not licking his asshole every time he graces me with his opinion "

You are fucking delusional.

8/21/2009 10:20:02 PM

^ not into having your salad tossed? don't knock it till you try it

8/21/2009 10:24:55 PM

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"I've never had 2 machines on my local network behave very well as far as being able to transfer between them. The few times in the past I tried to get W2k to talk to 98 or XP, it never worked so well for whatever reason."

then you aren't setting shit up right, sir.

8/21/2009 10:45:02 PM

^Agreed.

8/22/2009 12:52:46 AM

i really like control panel search. works great, much easier than trying to browse for stuff in a huge list, in a layout that changes every version of windows

8/22/2009 12:44:39 PM

yea, i like that too. kind of spoiled by it though, lol. it finds things very well

8/22/2009 12:45:29 PM

yeah seriously. same thing with start menu search, even though that's been in since vista. i've been setting up win2k3 VMs all week and i'm constantly like "FUCK I JUST WANNA GET TO DEVICE MANAGER WHY I GOTTA CLICK LIKE 30 SCREENS"

8/22/2009 12:48:59 PM

i don't know if this has been answered or not

I am running Windows 7 ultimate (the testing release from microsoft) can this be upgraded/bought when the full version comes out? really don't want to reinstall.

8/23/2009 10:04:30 PM

is it possible to move the little show desktop button from the lower right corner to inbetween the windows start button and the taskbar?

8/23/2009 10:06:29 PM

^ been wondering the same thing...i know this falls into the category of "been doing it this way for years and i don't want to change", but i'm not quite sure what prompted them to move it in the first place (maybe to put it near the show desktop contents menu, i assume)

what i don't understand, though, is why it's over on the right to begin with...IF you're going to want to show the desktop, it stands to reason that your files/shortcuts/icons are going to be aligned to the left (since that's how most people work, left to right), so clicking "show desktop" on the right part of the screen, and then moving to the left to select whatever it was you were going to select seems counterproductive

i think you can actually just right-click the taskbar and do "show desktop", but i'm not at my win7 box to check...i guess i could argue that adding an extra click was dumb, but i'm sure microsoft knows better

also, http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/add-the-quick-launch-bar-to-the-taskbar-in-windows-7/

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 8:38 AM. Reason : .]

8/24/2009 8:19:17 AM

http://lifehacker.com/5131803/get-the-old-show-desktop-back-in-windows-7++kinda

8/24/2009 8:34:23 AM

^^, ^^^ just use Win+D (it's got dat 190% keyboard shortcut efficiency). i always thought the show desktop quick launch button was retarded. one of the first things i always got rid of on new OS installs

8/24/2009 9:19:36 AM

yea, me too

windows + d or windows + m is better anyways.

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 9:23 AM. Reason : d works better with two monitors for some reason]

8/24/2009 9:23:09 AM

ah, that's right...the windows key is USEFUL now

8/24/2009 9:24:42 AM

i've been using win+e, win+r and win+f (to a lesser extent) with great satisfaction for years. none of the others shortcuts seem that compelling to me, but i'll probably try to use them and see if they stick

8/24/2009 9:30:39 AM

lol, the windows key has been useful for years.

all of these shortcuts have been around since at least XP.. (i mean the basic ones for minimize all, run and open explorer--the most useful, imo)

8/24/2009 9:33:37 AM

i was being sarcastic

8/24/2009 9:45:30 AM

oh

8/24/2009 9:47:52 AM

i thought i remembered someone on the previous pages saying that they never used the windows key before and someone linked to a "the windows key is useful now" article, detailing all of the shortcuts (half of which i don't think i'd use)

okay, i admit it...poor execution

also, fwiw, i like the show desktop button because i don't always have my keyboard next to me when i'm using the HTPC...sometimes just the mouse...so having the option of "show desktop" button in a place that makes sense would be nice

8/24/2009 9:53:34 AM

I like how I can double click on an ISO to burn it...but why won't Microsoft build ISO mounting support into Windows? Seems like you can do that in most other mainstream OSes

8/24/2009 12:50:09 PM

^ Isn't ISO mounting in W7?

8/24/2009 1:07:03 PM

I don't think so.

8/24/2009 1:23:02 PM

^ & ^^

I wanna say that I saw something about mounting ISOs in the Disk Management console (diskmgmt.msc). Can't remember for sure and I didn't actually test it but you might check there and see what you find. This was in the Ultimate edition.

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 1:33 PM. Reason : Scratch that. It was creating and mounting VHDs that I saw. My bad.]

8/24/2009 1:28:36 PM

So, does daemon tools work with Windows 7?

8/24/2009 2:27:49 PM

i've been using http://www.magiciso.com/tutorials/miso-magicdisc-overview.htm to mount ISOs. works great

8/24/2009 2:31:29 PM

Thanks for the info. Stuff I'm reading says that only daemon tools pro is compatible with Windows 7 (and costs 40 euro). I almost put the breaks on my planned upgrade based on that alone.

Maybe daemon tools will come out with a lite version for Windows 7 shortly.

8/24/2009 2:35:08 PM

^^ yeah i switched over to that from dameon w hile back...i just wish it was integrated in the OS

^ http://www.magiciso.com/download.htm or http://www.slysoft.com/en/virtual-clonedrive.html

8/24/2009 2:35:10 PM

powerISO is my favorite

8/24/2009 3:08:15 PM

UltraISO is MY favorite

8/24/2009 3:09:50 PM

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"Stuff I'm reading says that only daemon tools pro is compatible with Windows 7 (and costs 40 euro). I almost put the breaks on my planned upgrade based on that alone. "

You could, you know, just pay for Daemon tools. Just an option. It sure is a hell of a lot better than UltraIso/MagicIso

8/24/2009 3:32:08 PM

http://www.daemon-tools.cc/eng/products/dtLite

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"Windows 7 beta supporting is now available in DAEMON Tools Lite! Enjoy testing new OS version with favorite software."

8/24/2009 3:35:13 PM

I installed a previous version of windows 7 on my netbook as a dual boot with XP. What's the best way to uninstall windows 7, specifically the dual boot start up screen?

-oh and i don't have the win7 iso on my netbook currently.

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 7:16 PM. Reason : .]

8/24/2009 7:14:34 PM

edit the boot.ini file, remove the win7 entry, then delete the win7 partition (assuming it's not the boot partition)

8/24/2009 7:16:53 PM

Thanks. Going to try EasyBCD before i do it manually.

-Ok deleted boot entry. I could just reformat the partition, but i've got other music/photos on that drive because it was the storage partition. How can i delete the windows/users/etc folders of windows 7? Keep getting the protected files warning when i try to delete anything.

[Edited on August 24, 2009 at 7:35 PM. Reason : .]

8/24/2009 7:20:47 PM

^I would move your files to a temporary space, and format; then move the files into a clean XP NTFS partition. There are minor differences in NTFS and security policies from XP to 7 that will give you headaches from the XP side.

8/24/2009 7:47:42 PM

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"^is there any way to get the side-of-screen maximization on a per-monitor basis? At home it works on the far left side of my desktop and the far right, but it would be awesome if it worked on each monitor."

I just remembered to try this and it works great with the win key+left or right shortcut across all 3 monitors. I guess it'd still be nice if it worked by dragging but I guess I'll take what I can get

8/24/2009 9:39:18 PM

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"You could, you know, just pay for Daemon tools. Just an option."

Yeah, I basically said I didn't want to have to pay for something that I'm now quite accustomed to getting for free. So no, not an option for me.

Quote :

"http://www.daemon-tools.cc/eng/products/dtLite"

And the free option manifests itself again.

[Edited on August 25, 2009 at 4:38 AM. Reason : -]

8/25/2009 4:37:28 AM

So for the second time in a row, I took my eSata external HDD home from work, and when I came back the drive was corrupt. I only noticed yesterday that windows explorer wouldn't show me files I had put there during the day until I told Windows to rebuild its indexing... What are the chances the indexing is screwing my file system up a little bit?

8/26/2009 12:47:57 PM

i had the same happen once.

8/26/2009 12:50:37 PM

^^You need to set the drive as a removeable drive in your disk management on 7. By default, all SATA drives are recognized and used as internal fixed disks.

It is definitely getting wonked because of indexing. That's why adding network drives to libraries (non-indexed drives to an indexing view) is difficult.

8/26/2009 1:37:47 PM

Quick question,

I recently reformatted and moved from XP to 7 RC 64-bit, computer runs great. However, when I play Call of Duty World at War, I seem to be getting frequent connection problems, it flashes "Connection Interupted" and then it goes away. My internet is Roadrunner Extreme, so I do not think that is the problem, and additionally, the game ran perfect on XP. Furthermore, I sometimes get connection problems, which leads me to think its my internal wireless ethernet card. I am thinking it may not be 100% windows 7 compatible, which is giving me these random "hiccups". Is it possible for me to buy a wireless router, and pick up signal from our other wireless router? I would plug my desktop into my own router, I feel I can get a better connection with a table-top router than with an internal PCI card. Do you think this would solve my problem? And is it possible to get internet through a router from a router?

If so, do you know of any routers that work well with windows 7?

8/26/2009 1:38:54 PM

Run a cord to your existing router to figure out whether that is the problem first or not. If the issues go away, get a better internal wireless card. I have the Linksys WMP300N because I needed an external antenna, it works great:

8/26/2009 1:43:15 PM