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rflong
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LOL at Cowherd. What an dick bag. At least the Panthers finally made a good move though firing Hurney.

10/22/2012 11:18:33 AM

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He was fired because there was a rift brewing between rivera and hurney.

If hurney stays on its hard to show any confidence in rivera.

Besides why not get a new gm to evaluate rivera? Who cares about hurneys opinion on anything

10/22/2012 11:26:57 AM

hey now
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His brilliant DWill and Jonathan Stewart contracts should earn him at least 3 more years. Knee jerk as hell.

10/22/2012 11:40:35 AM

hgtran
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is there any good candidate out there?

10/22/2012 11:44:25 AM

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"His brilliant DWill and Jonathan Stewart contracts should earn him at least 3 more years. Knee jerk as hell.

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Richardson agreed to the contracts since he's the GM's boss and could've fired him then if he thought they were stupid, you know, in the offseason, which is the only time the GM matters to on-the-field performance. What good would it have done Detroit to fire Millen when they were in the middle of an 0-16 season? Let him stay on, get credit for that record fully being on his watch, then fire him.

As far as personnel for the 2012 season, the Panthers are set, there's nothing that can be done now by the replacement. Richardson with this move is in effect calling himself an idiot for not firing the GM between the 2011 and 2012 seasons.

[Edited on October 22, 2012 at 11:59 AM. Reason : /]

10/22/2012 11:57:41 AM

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"is there any good candidate out there?"


AJ Smif after he's fired in San Diego.

[Edited on October 22, 2012 at 11:58 AM. Reason : 2]

10/22/2012 11:57:46 AM

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Jake Delhomme for GM... hey, it worked in Denver!

10/22/2012 12:00:14 PM

Førte
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I'm with TaterSalad. Then him and Smitty can go back to making those awesome Bojangles chikin machine commercials again with exploding barns and the General Lee with a chicken head on top

10/22/2012 12:08:47 PM

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Dream scenario would be the Ravens assistant GM and the Seahawks defensive coordinator. Doubt Richardson opens up the checkbook for either one though.

10/22/2012 12:21:13 PM

thegoodlife3
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since, you know, he never opens the checkbook for anything else

10/22/2012 12:31:59 PM

hgtran
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even though I'm glad Hurney is gone, I still blame this year's performance on the coaching staff. They need to be gone too.

10/22/2012 1:52:17 PM

Førte
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I blame Obama

10/22/2012 1:54:03 PM

Shrike
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Big Money throwing the coaching staff under the bus,

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""I didn’t know the GM coached,' Johnson said. "Whenever the GM start coaching and all that? If they’re blaming it on him then I guess he’ll just take the fall for it."

10/22/2012 2:17:26 PM

TreeTwista10
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CJ loves Hurney, he gave him a shitload of money

10/22/2012 2:28:29 PM

Shrike
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Honestly, my biggest criticism of the coaching staff this year is the decision to switch from a vertical passing offense, ala the Chargers, with the read option as an occasional look, to using it full time. Clearly it hasn't worked. It's ruined our running back's confidence and made the offensive line look worse than it is. The thing is, Hurney was probably part of that decision, based on the move to let Shockey go and sign Tolbert.

10/22/2012 2:41:44 PM

hgtran
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Rivera needs to go. He is known for defense and the defense of the last couple years have been embarrassing.

10/22/2012 2:42:17 PM

TreeTwista10
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this is only Rivera's second year, and the defense is a lot better than it was last year

agree though, Chud is getting too gimmicky...maybe theres a reason Derek Anderson, Braylon Edwards and Kellen Jr. had one great season, then played like shit the next year

10/22/2012 2:43:40 PM

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I want to give Rivera & Co. to the end of the year.

And I wouldn't let him just fire the coordinators to get another shot either. If he wants to fire the coordinators he'd better do it now, or he will go down with them if we continue to suck.

10/22/2012 2:46:58 PM

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Chris Gamble put on IR, out for season

10/22/2012 3:09:26 PM

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yeah the DC should have been let go after last year's abomination.

I know there's not much talent on our defense but last year was simply ridiculous and half the guys getting torched were from the last 2 draft classes so something's either MAJORLY wrong in the talent evalution, talent development, or scheming department.

Given how historically terrible they were I'd say it was all three.

Plus, he wasn't successful in Philly either.

10/22/2012 7:24:57 PM

ndmetcal
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i really liked the panthers to win 7-9 games this season, definitely a deflating season for them

10/22/2012 7:35:46 PM

hgtran
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I'm gonna go ahead and get the Bill cowher to the panthers rumor started

10/22/2012 11:54:05 PM

thegoodlife3
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it's been started already

10/23/2012 12:03:36 AM

Steven
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hmm...at least its a good defensive draft next year.

10/23/2012 11:20:48 AM

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Per Steve Reed with AP; Beason to be on IR by end of week if not today for knee/shoulder...

the beginning of the end of the season. Where is Nick Goings when you need a body?!

10/24/2012 10:15:52 AM

TreeTwista10
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Cleveland, Jacksonville and Kansas City are the other 3 teams in the league with only 1 win

wonder if 3-13 would get us the #1 overall pick next year

10/24/2012 10:25:05 AM

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From Jason Whitlock's NFL Truth's Column on Fox Sports

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"10. The “information bubble” is the No. 1 obstacle/hindrance for black NFL quarterbacks.

This bubble creates delusion, erodes self-awareness and unwittingly undermines a black QB’s chance of sustaining success.

Cam Newton is a victim of the information bubble. Robert Griffin III is the bubble’s next target.

Let me explain. We’re in our political season. Democrats and Republicans both have their respective information bubbles, MSNBC and FOX News, respectively. They can lock their televisions on a single channel and avoid hearing their perspectives challenged in a credible way and hear their critics’ lambasted. It’s comforting. It’s polarizing. It’s unhealthy for intellectual growth and our democracy.

Black sports fans and black pop-culture media (not sports media) have created a loosely-formed-but-influential social-media and talk-radio information bubble for black QBs. This network of groupthink roars on sports-talk radio, black-owned radio stations, Facebook and Twitter, pumping out the message that Newton, Griffin and others can do no wrong and any criticism of them is rooted in racism. Fear of backlash from this network of well-intentioned enablers causes many mainstream sports analysts (media and fans of all colors) to avoid being totally honest about black QBs.

That’s how a career-killing, information bubble is formed.

White QBs don’t have to deal with this. In Kansas City, a group of fans paid for a banner to be flown over Arrowhead Stadium that called for owner Clark Hunt to bench Matt Cassel. Kansas City’s backup quarterback is Brady Quinn, the Cleveland bust. He’s not a solution. But he was named the starter on Monday.

Imagine the uproar if Eagles fans took similar action against turnover-machine Michael Vick? There would be riots in the streets. Philly fans would be labeled racist.

Information bubbles are destructive, whether in politics or sports.

Cam Newton is being ruined. In the aftermath of Sunday’s loss to the Cowboys, Newton, once again, handled the postgame news conference horribly. He not-so-subtly criticized his coaching staff. He flippantly quipped that he wanted to bring a suggestion box into the news conference. He condescendingly called a female reporter “sweetheart.”

He sounded like a crybaby and a loser. The black information bubble immediately leaped to Cam’s defense, claiming Cam’s critique of the offensive strategy was accurate.

The accuracy of his complaints is irrelevant. A quarterback is in partnership with his head coach and offensive coordinator. Their disagreements and criticisms should be handled internally and not referenced at a news conference by the QB.

What does RG3 have to do with any of this?

Well, informational bubbles are often uninformed. Along with being insecure and defensive, they can also be overly enthusiastic out of ignorance.

RG3 is off to a very nice, promising start. But football is not basketball, a quarterback is not a small forward and RG3 is not LeBron James. You could see LeBron’s ability to dominate the NBA when he was a junior in high school. Within 10 games of his NBA career, you could tell James would own the league one day. Basketball is the 100-meter dash; the sprinter that gets out of the blocks quick has a huge advantage. Football is a marathon with multiple variables, especially for a QB.

It’s way too early to anoint RG3. The information bubble has already decided the Colts made a mistake taking Andrew Luck ahead of Griffin. That’s ridiculous. We don’t know yet. There’s not nearly enough information. RG3 has the benefit of playing for a highly experienced head coach. Luck is playing for a new coaching staff that is dealing with the loss of its brand-new head coach.

Furthermore, in reaction to fear of the black information bubble, the mainstream media seem intent on pitting RG3 vs. Newton. On Monday, rather than individually deal with Cam’s immature postgame news conference, ESPN spent the day comparing RG3’s postgame comments to Cam’s.

Why?

It wasn’t a conversation about their playing styles and ability to scramble and throw. It wasn’t a conversation about Cam and RG3 both winning the Heisman Trophy. It was a conversation about Cam’s lack of leadership as a second-year starting quarterback. RG3 has nothing to do with that. ESPN is afraid the information bubble will call ESPN racist for pointing out Cam is a poor leader so the Worldwide Leader protected itself by portraying RG3 as the ultimate leader. We don’t know if Griffin is a great leader. We won’t know until he deals with some real NFL adversity. I suspect he’ll handle adversity quite well. He might be the Ray Lewis of adversity (Ray might be the best leader in sports history). But we just don’t know yet.

Compare Cam to Jay Cutler, Vince Young, Jeff George — talented QBs who struggled with leadership — or compare Cam to his second-year QB peers, Christian Ponder and Blaine Gabbert.

But don’t drag Griffin into Cam’s problems. It’s not fair. It’s not right. It’s a consequence of the black information sports bubble "


tl;dr

Basically black QB's aren't criticized and if they are the person criticizing them is labled a racist. It doesn't help the QB grow.

10/24/2012 2:33:08 PM

thegoodlife3
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^ if you think it's as simple as that than I have no idea what to tell you

10/24/2012 2:37:14 PM

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^^

10/24/2012 2:54:18 PM

DalesDeadBug
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doesn't Whitlock writing about race perpetuate the original issue? can't stand that guy

10/24/2012 2:58:06 PM

AndyMac
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I don't understand Whitlock's argument. Any cries of racism against the media (if there in fact are any) about their treatment of Cam have clearly been unheeded, because he's been trashed from pretty much all sides.

His statment about Matt Cassel and the flying billboard is totally irrelevant because it was the FANS that did that, specifically Chiefs fans, not the media. The Chiefs fans were extremely tired of Cassel so they voiced their displeasure with a flying billboard. The Panthers fans do not have a problem with Newton, like many in the media seem to, and so you wouldn't see that.

There's a very big disconnect between how the media treats Cam and how they treat his peers. Some of it might be because he's black, or because of the Auburn stuff, and some of it probably has to do with being the #1 pick. If Christian Ponder or Blaine Gabbert or Ryan Tannehill play well, then it's "Hey how bout that Ponder/Gabbert/Tannehill!" but when they start playing poorly nobody even mentions them, because hey, who the hell is Blaine Gabbert?

Also, Big Ben criticized Todd Haley's offense BEFORE his game this week, and it was barely mentioned

10/24/2012 3:07:45 PM

thegoodlife3
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Bomani Jones has been on point all week regarding Cam, and his line "the only people who think Cam is the problem in Carolina are those who haven't watched a Panthers game all season" is 100% spot-on

10/24/2012 3:22:29 PM

AndyMac
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Awesome article by Rosenthal

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000084665/article/cam-newton-criticized-while-matthew-stafford-ignored?campaign=Twitter_atl

10/24/2012 3:28:02 PM

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the cam hate is ridiculous.

He's a second year QB. Nearly all second year QB's struggle because defenses adapt to them.

We have zero running game, that's the problem right now. Our receiving corps is average and we can't run the ball.

He has been inaccurate, but we're not a good team. He's performing just slightly worse than last year, I don't remember anyone predicting him to be in the MVP race this year this is ridiculous.

Why are we trying to ruin this guy again?

10/24/2012 5:59:40 PM

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I'm not hating Cam but some of these throws...my God man ... defenses don't have anything to do with it sometimes


like this one, I can't get over it



[Edited on October 24, 2012 at 6:14 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2012 6:14:11 PM

thegoodlife3
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gifs are cute and all, but every QB in the history of football has had a god awful, head scratching throw or two during their career

10/24/2012 6:52:16 PM

dweedle
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if only he had just 1 or 2

10/24/2012 6:53:11 PM

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you know what stands out to me in that gif aside from the terrible throw?

he goes as far back as the 12 yard line...he throws it from the 10 yard line

the 1 yard line is the line of scrimmage

what the fuck kind of god awful play call is that

10/24/2012 7:00:40 PM

AndyMac
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You're at the .5 yard line

You have a 6'5 beast of a qb and the #1 fatback in the nfl

Run the damn ball

[Edited on October 24, 2012 at 8:22 PM. Reason : ]

10/24/2012 8:22:22 PM

AndyMac
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Interesting analysis

http://www.footballperspective.com/cam-newton-is-having-an-interesting-year/

10/26/2012 11:36:20 AM

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Quote :
"You're at the .5 yard line

You have a 6'5 beast of a qb and the #1 fatback in the nfl

Run the damn ball"



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10/26/2012 2:23:55 PM

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J. Stew to get the "start" on Sunday, Rivera said they want one RB to get into a groove and they're going to try to establish the run. He said they'll be giving Williams more touches this week too. Great week to try it out, going against the Bears defense.

10/26/2012 2:27:24 PM

thegoodlife3
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he is really not doing himself any favors

I'm usually the last person to ever pull for a bad season, but there is a part of me that would like to see this team completely quit on him a la the Bucs quitting on Morris last season

10/26/2012 2:44:41 PM

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do we want to go 1-15 or 2-14 and trade the Geno Smith pick down? i figure with a top-10 pick again we could get a beast d-lineman or corner

if we're in this position next season, we should Suck for Clowney

10/26/2012 2:55:24 PM

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I would like for us to go for a shut down CB and then pick up a veteran WR. Isn't it sad we are already looking to the draft!? Hell at this point, I would hope the Honey Badger declares for the draft lmao


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10/26/2012 3:05:30 PM

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/28/teams-calling-panthers-about-deangelo-williams/

10/28/2012 10:54:06 AM

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today is the day we begin our march towards screwing ourselves out of a top 5 pick

10/28/2012 11:49:38 AM

dweedle
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Hochuli is reffing today's game

10/28/2012 1:02:38 PM

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i hope we win by 30

10/28/2012 1:05:45 PM

AndyMac
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Lafell would have had a touchdown there if it wasn't for the stupid ref

[Edited on October 28, 2012 at 1:33 PM. Reason : And I don't mean a call, I mean getting in the way]

10/28/2012 1:33:16 PM

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