They have good salsa.

12/4/2017 1:03:43 PM

https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status/937746252250394625

LOL

12/4/2017 2:14:30 PM

just dont cross the border.

12/4/2017 2:45:12 PM

opened this morning at state -6. Already moved to -7 this afternoon

12/4/2017 3:00:14 PM

Chubb best defender in the country! Won the Nagurski!

Anyway, now will probably follow some trolls talking about how our D will obviously be better without him

12/4/2017 11:05:35 PM

I'd put a lot of money on our defensive efficiency being higher than 62 (9th in ACC) next year if roseboro returns. Even if he doesn't return, I'd say theres a good chance our defensive efficiency improves. Theres not much room for our defense to get worse. Individual talent doesn't mean shit if the chemistry and execution isn't there.

If a DE gets a sack, and then gives up contain for a long conversion on the next play, he has great stats but has failed. Thats Chubb.

[Edited on December 4, 2017 at 11:47 PM. Reason : cmon man]

12/4/2017 11:45:40 PM

We would have been much better this year without Chubb

12/4/2017 11:49:28 PM

Thats not the issue. The issue is not that any of these SRs made us worse, but that the next group of slightly less talented defenders might be able to focus in and execute better as a group.

[Edited on December 4, 2017 at 11:57 PM. Reason : and yes we'd be better without roseboro than him coming back with 1 foot out the door all year]

12/4/2017 11:54:09 PM

our special teams efficiency was 116th in the nation, 13th in the conference

12/5/2017 12:26:37 AM

^those days are almost Dunn

12/5/2017 12:49:42 AM

our KO efficiency and punt efficiency were near the bottom...not just FG kicking. not sure dunn's gonna be the answer there. gotta improve coverage.

12/5/2017 6:55:19 AM

^Dunn is known for touchbacks as well. Those could really help, but losing Cole is going to hurt, dude was really good.

I think our D as a unit could be better next year, but 0% chance our DL is as good/productive as this year. The problem with our DL this year was that we really only had 2 pass-rushers, and one of them didn't start. We had 4 guys built to stop the run and control the LOS, but only 2 players showed an ability to rush the passer, and that was Chubb and Roseboro. I think there is <10% chance Roseboro returns, but even if he does, I don't think he really plays any better than he has, and I'm not sure him starting and playing more snaps is really going to be good for what he does. I don't see the whole "come back and have a year like Chubb" pitch is going to work on Roseboro, just different types of players.

Chubb was our best DL against the run and rushing the passer, I never really saw him over-pursue and just put our D in bad shape to get gashed. Obviously players make mistakes, but our DL actually had decent gap discipline, it was just that our LBs did NOT.

I don't get all of the shitting on Chubb, consistently our best defensive player and graded out really well per PFF metrics. You can't really downplay how good he was. Our DL was solid but it was nothing compared to the DL that Mario Williams had.

12/5/2017 8:33:15 AM

chubb's a beast. anything to the contrary is either trolling or ignorance.

i hope our secondary can take a step forward next year.

12/5/2017 9:30:16 AM

Quote :

"and yes we'd be better without roseboro than him coming back with 1 foot out the door all year"

Isn't there a dumbass quote thread on here still? This should probably go there.

[Edited on December 5, 2017 at 12:48 PM. Reason : You think Chubb should have left too? We would have been better off?]

12/5/2017 12:47:29 PM

Our defense could be better next year if the secondary improves (which it should...the young guys were good...just inexperienced) and one of the young linebackers steps up. Pratt was our best linebacker at the end of the year and has All-ACC potential next year. The D-line should be solid.

12/5/2017 1:11:16 PM

^those sack numbers obviously stick out but the rest...not great, bob.

wonder if strategy or play calling changes much without Graham there for the bowl - obviously coordinators will be the same

12/5/2017 1:11:50 PM

^I'm fairly certain Graham is still coaching the bowl game.

12/5/2017 1:51:47 PM

That's what I've read

12/5/2017 1:55:44 PM

oh wow, ok. didn't expect that

12/5/2017 2:23:44 PM

^ Herm refused to coach until the mascot was changed from a "devil"

12/5/2017 2:31:07 PM

Quote :

"Our defense could be better next year if the secondary improves (which it should...the young guys were good...just inexperienced) and one of the young linebackers steps up. Pratt was our best linebacker at the end of the year and has All-ACC potential next year. The D-line should be solid."

Except many of the young guys in the secondary were hurt all year. McCloud and Wright got consistent snaps, but kidd glass and Ingram juggled the bench all year. WF showed how far Ingram has to go. Seems tough to improve while losing 70% of snaps.

I agree Pratt will be fine, but who is on the other side? Nobody else saw the field this year.

Dline it's critical that Roseboro comes back. Only other returner with significant snaps is Bryant.

12/5/2017 5:30:29 PM

I think we have talented DL guys, just none of them were able to really push any of our main 6 rotation guys for minutes.

Obviously keeping Roseboro would be significant, but I think we'll have plenty of talent inside with Bryant, Frazier, Gibson(won scout team defensive POY), and Murchison(former JUCO), then on the outside you'll have guys competing for minutes outside of Roseboro like Smith-Williams, McNeil, and Babros(JUCO).

There is talent, just will be interesting to see how long it takes the guys to adjust to real game speed. Think we'll be surprisingly good at LB and the secondary should be improved.

12/5/2017 8:06:18 PM

Some of the young guys will come into their own. I think Frazier will be big time, but it's hard to predict with the other guys until they get the snaps. (I mean, Chubb was basically just another LB trying to play DL until midway through his Jr year.)

Obviously Roseboro is the linchpin. I don't think there's a player on our defense that makes more plays per snap than him (Chubb included). I saw him projected in the 4th round for this draft, but he has 1st round talent -- just needs the numbers to back it up.



[Edited on December 6, 2017 at 12:06 AM. Reason : ]

12/6/2017 12:01:26 AM

^I like Roseboro, but I can't see him going in the 1st round. High motor guy that I think benefits from working in a rotation where he can come in and go hard every snap he gets while staying somewhat fresh. Plus he seems to be a better pass-rusher than run-stopper. If he's getting a 4th round grade now I imagine he goes(seems like he's just ready to be a pro). I think he could certainly improve his stock if he comes back next year(though I do think his stats were helped playing opposite of Chubb) but I've always felt his upside was probably early 3rd round.

I think the DL will take a step back next year, but I think the difference with what Doeren has built up now, is that these guys worked behind Seniors and know what type of work ethic it takes and have seen what they need to do to be successful. Partner that with the fact that unlike early in Dave's tenure, we aren't HAVING to start true FR or RS-FR because of numbers, now we have the luxury of only playing the young guys that earn it. I've heard pretty rave reviews about Grant Gibson, so I feel pretty solid with our rotation of Bryant, Frazier, and Gibson on the inside. The biggest question marks will be can we generate any pass rush off the edges given we're potentially losing our top 3 DEs. I doubt McNeil is ready to play a ton next year(if he even stays at DE), but it'll be interesting to see if Thunder Dan has any of these tweener guys we've been recruiting ready to come in off the edge.

I do think that the DL we picked up this year and last year are going to turn into something special in a couple of years.

12/6/2017 9:28:56 AM

I believe in Thunder Dan

12/6/2017 11:31:18 AM

^^Maybe there's another LB we can move to DE ala Chubb. Maybe Brock Miller.

Aren't some people projecting Payton Wilson as a DE in college?

12/6/2017 9:36:42 PM

^i believe Brock was going the other way, towards Nickel

and no, i think Wilson is viewed as pure linebacker

12/6/2017 9:56:46 PM

I think Wilson is athletic enough to make the move, but I think he's a better fit at LB. Hell some analysts were saying he could play TE, DE, ILB, or OLB. I imagine the hope will be to land Drake Thomas(4*) next year and pair the 2 of them up in a couple of years.

I think Boletepeli has a ton of upside at DE, just think he'll need a year or 2 with Thunder Dan.

Next year will be interesting because instead of having 1 star defensive player and 1 strong defensive unit, we're going to just be average to above-average across the board. Just getting our injured guys back in the secondary are going to make the secondary better, even after losing multiple starters.

12/7/2017 9:40:07 AM

Herm Edwards didn't like that they were the Sun Devils so they'll probably change it so they're just the Suns.

Arizona State University at Phoenix Suns.

12/7/2017 10:01:29 AM

Daeshawn Stephens off the team. Not sure why but speculation is playing time transfer

12/8/2017 6:10:52 PM

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/nc-state-s-chubb-samuels-named-ap-all-americans/17177564/

12/11/2017 3:56:14 PM

LMAO all american at tight end LOLOLOL

he lined up at tight end maybe 10 times all year.

12/11/2017 4:13:25 PM

Wow, you really found that amusing, didn't you?

12/11/2017 4:38:04 PM

ROTFLMAOOLOLOLOLOLOL

12/11/2017 5:20:36 PM

isnt he listed as a te?

12/11/2017 6:44:45 PM

No. http://www.gopack.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=4759

12/11/2017 7:01:57 PM

he definitely was listed at TE for a long time

[Edited on December 11, 2017 at 7:47 PM. Reason : .]

12/11/2017 7:45:56 PM

Using Joe Giglio's pitch count for Jaysam, he lined up as a tight end on a whopping 3.2% of his snaps this year (21/663), which only slightly outnumbers his snaps as a QB (13 snaps, 2%) and was slightly less than his use as an outside WR (28 snaps).

The AP just doesn't know what the fuck an all purpose player is. They made Barkley the 1st Team AA all purpose player even though he's a full time running back (and was 3rd team RB last year.). Jaysam played 450+ snaps at WR and nearly 200 in the backfield, which seems to me to be the definition of an all purpose player. But hey man, whatever, we don't get multiple all americans very often.

12/11/2017 9:00:13 PM

barkeley was an all purpose player based on "all purpose yards" and you are using a different definition of "all purpose". Jaysam ran "TE routes" as opposed to being out wide or a rusher. I know its apples and oranges but I also see what they did here. There just aren't that many Jaysams. Maybe they should just make a "Jaysam award" and give it to the most versatile player every year.

12/11/2017 9:21:51 PM

The acc did do that

All purpose back

12/11/2017 9:51:14 PM

e man is right.

12/12/2017 8:48:00 AM

Ok, so we shouldn't count receiving yards when evaluating RBs now. So all RB awards should be based solely on rushing stats. Same with quarterbacks and passing. I can't believe Lamar Jackson was 2nd team all American with his pedestrian passing stats. maybe he should have been first team all American all purpose player.

12/12/2017 11:33:43 AM

^nobody said that.

it's just that it's hardly uncommon for a rb that also returns kicks to have his stats spoken of in terms of "all purpose yards" so it's not really a stretch to see why people would vote for barkley as an all purpose player.

i don't think anybody's disagreeing with you, just offering explanation or context for why it kinda makes sense if you squint a little.

[Edited on December 12, 2017 at 11:37 AM. Reason : g]

12/12/2017 11:34:33 AM

That's not so much my beef as much as voting for Samuels as a tight end. May as well have voted for him as a quarterback.

He was listed as a TE/FB for 3 years on the roster, but he almost never lined up as a tight end. FB/WR would have been a better approximation of his role.

[Edited on December 12, 2017 at 11:42 AM. Reason : V also true]

12/12/2017 11:37:54 AM

justin just enjoys being contentious

12/12/2017 11:41:13 AM

^^maybe a cop out by voters who wanted to include samuels and barkley but didn't have a great spot to put them both. unless the players are "locked" into certain positions on the ballots. idk how that works exactly.

12/12/2017 11:54:16 AM

Problem is most of those voters probably didn't watch a ton of our games and see what Samuels actually does. He's a name that is mentioned a lot as a utility guy, but most of the time when you google him he's a "TE", so they probably just saw his gaudy TD stats and stuck him in that slot.

It's why his NFL draft stock is going to be so whacky is because he doesn't really fit one position at the next level well and it's going to take particular offenses to find ways to utilize him.

Honestly the most accurate position to label him would be RB, but do you really think it would be fair to compare him for national honors at the RB position? He wouldn't win anything with that label, it's why the ACC created the APB spot just to honor players like Samuels. Problem with the national awards is that they look at RBs like Barkley and Hines as APB and even comparing those guys with Samuels isn't a fair comparison for Samuels.

12/12/2017 11:59:19 AM

He's a slot receiver in the NFL. But he will be fine because of his versatility and ability to play on all the special teams.

12/12/2017 12:01:29 PM

To sum up, a state fan is mad that a State player made an All-American team but not the way the fan wanted

Who gives a shit what position.

12/12/2017 12:30:30 PM

^^Eh...maybe. I think he's too slow to be a slot receiver. I think he'll be a Rex Burkhead where they play him at RB/WR and move him around in the offense.

12/12/2017 2:28:54 PM