is tscudi borderline retarded?

1/12/2011 3:38:53 PM

starting out 3-0 in the ACC seemed to work out really well for Virginia last year

Pomeroy ratings have BC as about the 6th or 7th best team in the ACC, which seems about right

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM. Reason : ]

1/12/2011 3:39:52 PM

what the hell does Virginia's team last year have to do with Boston College's team this year

OMG DUKE STARTED OFF 3-0 LAST YEAR IN CONFERENCE PLAY AND WON THE NATIONAL TITLE!!!11

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 3:41 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2011 3:41:20 PM

Starting out 1-1 in the conference worked really well for Duke last year

1/12/2011 3:42:40 PM

I will admit I'm surprised that Ernie, who usually seems pretty rational in regards to sports, continues to be on the Lowe bandwagon

1/12/2011 3:43:43 PM

nm

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 3:45 PM. Reason : .........................]

1/12/2011 3:45:00 PM

rational people don't lose their shit everytime their team loses a game.

rational people don't flood message boards tlaking about firing a coach 2 games into ACC play (1-1).

borderline retarded people do.

1/12/2011 3:45:45 PM

I'm not on any bandwagon except for the 'hey let's all chill out with the rhetoric and let cooler heads prevail' bandwagon.

Like I told simonn last night, if the season ended today I'd fire Lowe. If the rest of our games mirror last night's game, I'd fire Lowe. But we're not to that point and I'm willing to give the guy the rest of the season to prove himself. I say that because if this is his body of work, it's not worth retaining him. As of right now, though, his body of work hasn't been exhausted and it's not fair to anyone to jump to conclusions about how we'll finish the season.

Before this next bit, realize I'm not making excuses and I'm not trying to give Lowe more time than is needed.

People seem to forget that no one wanted this job, that Lowe was our 700th option. It's not his fault that he didn't know what he was getting into, that he has so much learning to do on the job. We've got to have a lot more patience with him than with pretty much any other hire in the nation. He never should have had the job, but he has it, and he's shown brief flashes of putting it all together. Let's at least give him a fair shake before throwing him under the bus.

That's all I've been saying from day one.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 3:52 PM. Reason : Feel free to twist the shit out of my words now]

1/12/2011 3:48:29 PM

Don't you understand Ernie. If we fire coach Lowe right now we can hire Adolf Rupp.

1/12/2011 3:53:24 PM

fair enough. I do think he's already been giving a fair shake though, and I think it's obvious when watching his teams play that they are undercoached and demonstrate little to no knowledge of defensive fundamentals.

1/12/2011 3:55:48 PM

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" People seem to forget that no one wanted this job, that Lowe was our 700th option. It's not his fault that he didn't know what he was getting into, that he has so much learning to do on the job. We've got to have a lot more patience with him than with pretty much any other hire in the nation. He never should have had the job, but he has it, and he's shown brief flashes of putting it all together. Let's at least give him a fair shake before throwing him under the bus."

I agree with this completely, and when we do get rid of Lowe I won't have any ill will toward him. However, I do consider his tenure somewhere between a fiasco and a debacle which is purely the fault of Lee Fowler, who basically did the equivalent of getting a searching firm to hire a coach and then just giving up and hiring the guy from the searching firm. We finally have an AD with good sense, and I trust her a lot more to make coaches want the job and actually hire someone with some kind of experience with the college game.

1/12/2011 3:57:15 PM

And since the shit show from last night has calmed down, here are things Lowe has to do to keep me from losing my cool

1. Give Harrow 30 minutes. I don't care if Javi starts, but if he isn't lighting it up by the first media TO, it's Harrow's show for the rest of the game.

Stats like these

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" In the last four games, Gonzalez has 6 points on 2 for 11 shooting from the field and a couple of free throws -- combined."

don't warrant a start, but I can deal with that so long as the right player is on the court in the end.

2. CJW sees 15+ minutes. He followed his best game of the season with his lowest minutes played of the season. That's mind-boggling. Brown isn't an option at the point right now unless he lowers his turnover rate, but we've got to find a rotation that keeps Javi on the bench and Harrow/Brown/CJW on the court.

3. A better start. We haven't a good first five minutes all season.

Those three things coupled with perimeter breakdowns (after playing good perimeter defense for the meat of the game) killed us last night. Lowe has been slow to make adjustments throughout his tenure, but it's time to throw caution to the wind and make shit work.

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^ Yeah, the thing that bothers me is that people are attacking Lowe personally. Like he somehow forced Barnes and Calipari and every other decent coach out of contention for the job. Hate on Fowler and our athletic department, but Lowe -- as incapable as he may be -- is honestly doing the best he can. Get down our situation, but don't get down on Sid Lowe.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 4:02 PM. Reason : ]

1/12/2011 3:59:09 PM

this thread is nuts

1/12/2011 3:59:13 PM

I still support Lowe primarily because I know we will not get anyone worth a damn to come take his place. This team will get better as the season progresses. That was the first road ACC game for the freshmen and they handled it well other than some of the mistakes by Brown.

Our defense sucks, but we have the offensive firepower to overcome our defense if we can avoid long scoring droughts. CJW needs more PT, Javi needs much less PT. Unfortunately our schedule sucks and is front loaded with tough ACC teams so our fanbase will continue to cry like bitches over the next two weeks as we continue to lose.

1/12/2011 4:09:33 PM

Still early in the season, but what do yall think the chances of Leslie returning next season are?

1/12/2011 4:11:42 PM

100%

1/12/2011 4:16:02 PM

He's not coming back if we fire Coach Lowe.

1/12/2011 4:16:20 PM

There's a good chance Leslie leaves with or without Lowe, and, like I said last night, it'll be a bad decision. He's nowhere near ready for the next level, and he's at best a fringe lottery pick right now. Without Lowe, I'd say it's more likely that he's gone, but that's pure speculation.

1/12/2011 4:18:52 PM

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"Uchebo is currently ranked 8 at his position"

Ok. And 75th overall on Scout.com. Again, not an elite level prospect.

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"Lewis is ranked 12 at PG.... Just like Harrow, and look how much better he is than what we have right now."

Harrow was the 25th overall player in the class and the 8th ranked PG in a class absolutely LOADED with stud PG's. Lewis isn't anywhere near that level. He's a nice prospect, not a five star stud.

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"Harris is 25 at PF, which is not as high but you can't hit gold with everyone. Howell and Painter were 16 and 20 at their positions, and they can produce when they aren't being forced to play the 5 spot."

I know quite a bit about Tyler Harris. A lot of big schools were after him as a way to get to his brother a few years back, including UConn. He is a middling prospect, nothing more.

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"We've got more people coming in, and we're playing mostly good basketball. No one can come into this program and win us a national championship in half a decade. we've got too much turn around that needs to be made. Baby steps, I believe we'll get there with Lowe."

But that's just it. Our class next year is subpar compared to the rest of the ACC. And frankly, we aren't "mostly playing good basketball." We're outside the Top 100 in the RPI and fourth worst in the ACC in Pomeroy. We have one decent win and no good wins. That isn't "good basketball." At best it's average.

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Funny thing is that I'm really easy to please. I realize we aren't Duke, UNC or Kansas. I'll take NCAA Tournament appearances and the occasional Sweet 16. But we aren't even coming close to that yet and frankly, I don't hold up much hope we will this year...

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 4:39 PM. Reason : x]

1/12/2011 4:36:21 PM

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"People seem to forget that no one wanted this job"

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"I still support Lowe primarily because I know we will not get anyone worth a damn to come take his place. "

Lee Fowler's incompetence have some of you brainwashed...

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"rational people don't lose their shit everytime their team loses a game. rational people don't flood message boards tlaking about firing a coach 2 games into ACC play (1-1). borderline retarded people do."

It's year fucking five nobody is basing it on two fucking games. My God some of you would be willing to rot in the NIT forever.

1/12/2011 4:37:48 PM

Just when I thought we could be civil about this

1/12/2011 4:43:15 PM

Do you honestly believe that nobody wants our job?

Even you and adder and several others have come to the conclusion he is likely to be fired.

1/12/2011 4:44:39 PM

Honestly, this has to be the toughest job in the country

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't know that I'd want this job if I were a mid-major coach -- you're pretty much set up to fail -- and I'm super super competitive and confident

1/12/2011 4:46:50 PM

^^^^its the 2nd ACC game of year #5.

What's the point in calling for his firing in the 2nd ACC game of year #5?

I know the players or recruits don't read the internet, but if they did, i can see that doing nothing but hurting the team in the short and long-term. But again, I know they don't get on the internet.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 4:47 PM. Reason : ^s]

1/12/2011 4:46:51 PM

1/12/2011 4:47:04 PM

I'm convinced that the nay sayers in here will never be happy with any coach unless they come in and get us to the NCAA tournament from year 1, and win it by year 5.

Those expectations are retarded.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 4:50 PM. Reason : ]

1/12/2011 4:49:22 PM

Well this naysayer was happy with Herb even though he leveled out so you are convinced wrong.

Just making the tournament every year and being top 5 ACC was ok for me.

We are NOWHERE near that level and even then most expected more.

1/12/2011 4:50:27 PM

Is the dip in performance not worth an overall game if, in a couple of years, we're top three in the ACC and making the tournament?

Also, if we make the tournament this year will you shut up?

1/12/2011 4:52:59 PM

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"Well this naysayer was happy with Herb even though he leveled out so you are convinced wrong. Just making the tournament every year and being top 5 ACC was ok for me. "

You seem to keep forgetting that he didn't make it to the tournament until his 6th year at State. (and his 9th year as a DI coach).

If it was up to you (and you were consistent), Herb would have been gone after 2 or 3 years, long before he ever made it to the tourney. Right?

1/12/2011 4:53:26 PM

^Herb made the NCAA tournament his second year as a coach dumbass. Completely different circumstances. I don't expect much when you come in and have Jeremy Hyatt as a starter. I do expect more when you have Brandon Costner as a starter. You are old you know better.

^^Neither one of them are happening. Open your eyes. If we can't make the NCAA tournament with this squad, how in the fuck is he going to compete for the ACC? Think about it. He won't have an overall team better than this year. Those that say keep waiting, we lose our best player after this year and replace him with lesser talent.

1/12/2011 4:56:29 PM

I'm willing to bet that Harrow, Brown, Leslie, Williams, Wood, Painter and Howell will all be better players next year

1/12/2011 4:58:53 PM

Yeah, because Costner really gave Lowe 100%...

1/12/2011 4:59:18 PM

I'm willing to bet Sidney Lowe never makes the tournament at NCSU.

^To read TWW you would think Tracy Smith is a lock for the lottery when he was out.

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"Also, if we make the tournament this year will you shut up?"

I offered it to anyone last year and will again this year. $100 bet we don't make the NCAAs.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:00 PM. Reason : bet]

1/12/2011 5:00:03 PM

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"Herb made the NCAA tournament his second year as a coach dumbass. Completely different circumstances. I don't expect much when you come in and have Jeremy Hyatt as a starter. I do expect more when you have Brandon Costner as a starter. You are old you know better."

My bad, he did make it his second year (not at State). And then he missed it the next 6 years, including his first 5 at state. IT TOOK HIM 6 YEARS TO MAKE IT AT STATE! Drop the excuses. He had 5 years to get his players in and coach them up. But he still didn't make the tournament in his 5th year. If you were consistent, you'd have fired Herb after year 2 or 3 years because he didn't make the tournament after ample time.


[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:02 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:03 PM. Reason : ]

1/12/2011 5:00:46 PM

You really, really suck at responding to arguments

1/12/2011 5:00:57 PM

^With Lowe coaching I doubt it.

CC Harrison
Justin Gainey
Ishua Benjamin
Danny Strong
Jeremy Hyatt

All 6'6" and under and outside of CC on occasion not ACC starting material.

Brandon Costner
Ben McCauley
Gavin Grant
Courtney Fells
Engin Atsur

3 4* recruits and 1 5* and one pretty solid guard.

Not comparable

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:04 PM. Reason : I have said on here that Herb should have been fired year five, we were fucking atrocious]

1/12/2011 5:03:33 PM

who cares? He had 5 years to get his guys in and coach them and he FAILED!

1/12/2011 5:04:15 PM

This has been covered over and over again, but Herb had the most bare cover imaginable.

In Lowe's second season,which has turned out to be his worst he had Costner and Hickson (5-stars); and McCauley, Fells, Grant and Smith (4-stars). Unfortunately, because of a recruiting miss, we didn't have one of the most outstanding freshman PGs in the country that year (Chris Warren) to lead the team.

Five of those six were Top 80 recruits. Two of them were Top 25 recruits. Yes, there were chemistry issues, but with the raw talent on that team you'd expect them to make the tournament. I don't have it in front of me, but I can't imagine Herb had a 5-star or very many 4-star recruits on his second team.

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"If you were consistent, you'd have fired Herb after year 2 or 3 years because he didn't make the tournament after ample time."

Are you new to State? People wanted him fired from the day I stepped on campus in 2000...

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM. Reason : x]

1/12/2011 5:05:12 PM

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"Drop the excuses."

Lol you basically invented the word excuse

1/12/2011 5:05:25 PM

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"Well this naysayer was happy with Herb even though he leveled out so you are convinced wrong. Just making the tournament every year and being top 5 ACC was ok for me."

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"I have said on here that Herb should have been fired year five, we were fucking atrocious"

More consistency from Boozie.

1/12/2011 5:05:30 PM

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"I have said on here that Herb should have been fired year five, we were fucking atrocious"

and didn't the next 5 years prove you wrong?

1/12/2011 5:05:52 PM

Not really we probably could have gotten someone better.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:06 PM. Reason : ^^I was happy the last five years not the first five]

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:07 PM. Reason : note the part about making the tournament dipshit]

1/12/2011 5:06:22 PM

so you're saying, you wanted Herb fired after 5 years...you still think he should've been fired after 5 years because we couldve gotten someone better...yet you were content with making the tourney every year in his 6th through 10th seasons, even though 4/5 times we had a 1st weekend exit

sounds like you're either being inconsistent, or your expectations are different for each coach

1/12/2011 5:08:34 PM

Yes, yes, and yes

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:09 PM. Reason : Do you really think Lowe should be held to the same standards as Herb's first 5 years?]

1/12/2011 5:09:17 PM

what's a bare cover

1/12/2011 5:09:51 PM

Ok so let me see if this describes what you want /expect, because I don't want to put words in your mouth

You want to make the tournament every year, but you won't give a coach more than 5 years to do it

except with Lowe, who you don't even want to give an entire 5th year to?

1/12/2011 5:10:41 PM

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"so you're saying, you wanted Herb fired after 5 years...you still think he should've been fired after 5 years because we couldve gotten someone better...yet you were content with making the tourney every year in his 6th through 10th seasons, even though 4/5 times we had a 1st weekend exit"

Twista, most of us on here were in school only during his last 3-5 years. If we were around when he was struggling maybe the same vitriol would have been being spewed by everyone at that point. But the fact is, what I know of Herb is making the NCAA Tournament. Not the struggles before that.

And again, totally different "state's of the program" for each and that DOES need to be accounted for.

1/12/2011 5:11:42 PM

how about totally different head coaches with totally different amounts of coaching experience

you guys act like just because we went to the NCAAs in Herb's last year, that any coach should be able to come in, make the tourney, and not even lose a step

even when they have entirely different coaching styles that depend on entirely different types of players

1/12/2011 5:12:49 PM

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"^^I was happy the last five years not the first five"

Do I even have to explain how hypocritical you sound? I'm not sure if 'hypocritical' is the right word, but that statement is just funny.

1/12/2011 5:13:48 PM

I'm just going to post this list:

Oliver Purnell
Paul Hewitt
Seth Greenberg
Frank Haith
Pete Gillen
Dave Leitao
Dino Gaudio

All made the NCAAT in their first five years. Every single one of them except Dino started with about the same level of talent.

1/12/2011 5:15:15 PM