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"Honestly, this has to be the toughest job in the country I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't know that I'd want this job if I were a mid-major coach -- you're pretty much set up to fail -- and I'm super super competitive and confident"

see this is bad logic and accepting failure

half the SEC in football could use the same thought process. and no, we are not equivalent to vanderbilt. more like somewhere in between auburn and mississippi state (and msu is a good example of firing a shitty coach leading to a quick turnaround).

lowe has shown that you can get players to come here. hell, even herb landed some decent recruits. you just need a guy who can coach them and run the program well. kansas state is under kansas' shadow and in the middle of fucking nowhere but they've managed to have some recent success

there are much worse jobs. schools where no one cares about basketball located in the sticks are way worse jobs. people will talk about nc state, even when we suck, because we're in a relevant area. it's certainly not an easy job but it isn't that difficult

and for all the crap our fans got for the herb thing, we still gave les robinson 6 years. lowe is getting at least 5. those are two terrible coaches getting a LONG time to fix things. wake just fired gaudio, coming off 2 ncaa apperances, after 3. unc ditched ALUMNUS matt doherty in 3 years and got roy williams. maryland got gary williams after 3 years of bob wade (and a nice little probation gift, too), etc

this job isnt that shitty. lee fowler was just incompetent and tried to appease a bunch of morons by shooting for the stars and had no back up plan after that failed

1/12/2011 5:15:47 PM

since nobody reads the last post

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"I'm just going to post this list: Oliver Purnell Paul Hewitt Seth Greenberg Frank Haith Pete Gillen Dave Leitao Dino Gaudio All made the NCAAT in their first five years. Every single one of them except Dino started with about the same level of talent."

I notice Herb Sendek isn't on that list

I just don't understand why you're so quick to want Lowe gone, when Sendek proved someone can get a team to the NCAAs consistently, even if they don't do it in their first 5 years!

1/12/2011 5:16:02 PM

Nope only at NCSU do we allow losers to continue to coach.

1/12/2011 5:17:31 PM

you act like Sidney's teams are posting Matt Doherty 8-20 records with 7 McDs AAs

man you must hate your life

1/12/2011 5:18:03 PM

borderline retarded for real!

1/12/2011 5:18:27 PM

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"All made the NCAAT in their first five years. Every single one of them except Dino started with about the same level of talent. "

How many had zero experience on a collegiate coaching staff

1/12/2011 5:18:31 PM

Not my problem Sid wasn't right from day one.

His NBA connections/experience you would think help.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:20 PM. Reason : If TOB went five years without a bowl, would you still want him too?]

1/12/2011 5:20:07 PM

Paul Hewitt hahahaha

1/12/2011 5:21:27 PM

You can't be seriously comparing a bowl berth to an NCAA tournament berth as an apples to apples comparison

Over half the teams make bowls. About 1/5 of the teams make the NCAAs.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:22 PM. Reason : x]

1/12/2011 5:22:03 PM

Javi suckkssss

1/12/2011 5:22:34 PM

boozie, of the list of coaches you named, how many of them consistently make/made the NCAA tourney?

ie, isnt it safe to say that Sendek was a better coach than all the coaches you listed, based on ability to build a program to consistently make the postseason? even though their track records after 5 years contradicts that?

1/12/2011 5:22:38 PM

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"Not my problem Sid wasn't right from day one. His NBA connections/experience you would think help. [Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:20 PM. Reason : If TOB went five years without a bowl, would you still want him too?] "

This is hilarious

You are the most illogical fuck ever

In one breath you recognize that Sid had no experience, though you stop short of not holding him responsible

Then you compare the situation to a proven coach who has consistently posted winning seasons and bowl victories in a BCS conference

1/12/2011 5:22:48 PM

Ehh it's about the same for a BCS level school. Bowl = NCAA first/second round exit

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"boozie, of the list of coaches you named, how many of them consistently make/made the NCAA tourney?"

None, that's the point. They all suck ass and several rightly fired.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2011 5:23:16 PM

Maybe they'll hold the first round of the tourney at the RBC Center again this year and our players can somehow participate by being ball boys or mopping the sweat up off the floor of the teams that make the tournament. I'm sure that would be a good moral victory by giving them experience of being in that kind of environment.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:25 PM. Reason : []

1/12/2011 5:23:32 PM

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"you act like Sidney's teams are posting Matt Doherty 8-20 records with 7 McDs AAs man you must hate your life"

but he was getting sick recruits! those teams were going to turn around once he got more of his players, right?!?!?!

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:24 PM. Reason : ]

1/12/2011 5:24:35 PM

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"None, that's the point. They all suck ass and several rightly fired."

But they all made the NCAA tournament in their first 5 years!!!

^when Sidney wins less than 10 games in a season, holler

1/12/2011 5:24:52 PM

And Sidney can't do it....these coaches are BAD and they did.

What does that say about Lowe?

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:26 PM. Reason : Doh didn't have a 9 game losing streak]

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:26 PM. Reason : V That he's a loser even though his situation was way worse than any of those listed]

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:27 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2011 5:25:33 PM

Sendek couldn't do it either! What does that say about Sendek!

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"And Sidney can't do it."

Lowe has only had 4 opportunities to make the postseason...even though you are already proclaiming he can't do it before this season is even close to being over

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"Doh didn't have a 9 game losing streak"

i guess you'd rather have an 8 win season than a 9 game losing streak in a 15 win season or whatever

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:28 PM. Reason : jesus christ you are a moron]

1/12/2011 5:25:59 PM

god dammit this thread moves to fast, I cant keep track of who is on what side...


but once again, Paul Hewitt... hahahaha

1/12/2011 5:26:15 PM

So my posts in this thread are pretty much 100% in response to fuckheads like boozie foaming at the mouth

I have to wonder, though, what boozie hopes to accomplish by bringing up all these wacky comparisons

We all know that Sid isn't doing a good job, we all see that he needs an unprecedented turnaround to avoid the axe

What keeps you going boozie? And why can't you be more rational in your approach?

1/12/2011 5:27:45 PM

matt doherty acc record: 23-25 (4-12 and 6-10 if you throw out his first year...sound familiar?)

sidney lowe acc record: 20-44

but yea, lowe is a great coach for pounding on elon and san diego!

1/12/2011 5:28:19 PM

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"We all know that Sid isn't doing a good job, we all see that he needs an unprecedented turnaround to avoid the axe"

No they don't. Many support Lowe even when he does something blatantly obvious like putting Javi in.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:29 PM. Reason : V Just read a Bullet or adder post]

1/12/2011 5:29:03 PM

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"No they don't. Many support Lowe even when he does something blatantly obvious like putting Javi in. "

PROVE

IT

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:29 PM. Reason : SHOW ME DA POSTS I WANT DA POSTS]

1/12/2011 5:29:27 PM

No man

Burden of proof is on you

Show me where someone supports Lowe's decision to bring in Javi last night

1/12/2011 5:31:14 PM

http://www.tarheeltimes.com/schedulebasketball-2001.aspx

if we played that schedule in one of our 4-12 acc years do you really think lowe would do all that well? i'm going to say 12-16 optimistically

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:33 PM. Reason : KRIS LANG]

1/12/2011 5:31:53 PM

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"adder All American 2712 Posts user info edit post Harrow just got taken out because A he was tired and B he was getting burned by his man over and over again. 1/11/2011 10:42:17 PM"

1/12/2011 5:32:52 PM

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"Just read a Bullet or adder post"

What do you even mean, I "support Lowe even when he does something blatantly obvious like putting javi in". Are you saying that I'm still saying "wait til the season pans out", even when I agree that Harrow should be getting more minutes now? Is that what you're sayin?

What does doing something "blatantly obvious like putting javi in" mean?

^oh, i think i see what you mean. you're saying that javi probably shouldn't play more than 2 or 3 mins, and ryan shouldn't play less than 37 or 38. No matter if he's tired or getting burned on defense.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:34 PM. Reason : ]

1/12/2011 5:33:10 PM

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"Show me where someone supports Lowe's decision to bring in Javi last night"

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"Julius Hodge Could of been fatigue. But u get the spark from your bench and finish up the game w/ your experience. It was a move that made sense. But in hindsight obviously you would do things diff. 8 hours ago · Like"

^ps: with TV timeouts every 4 minutes, whats so crazy about an 18 year old playing 40 minutes of basketball?

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:36 PM. Reason : .]

1/12/2011 5:34:32 PM

I mean, those are both probably true, and it was probably Sid's line of thought in making the substitution

I'm hardly impressed with that evidence

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:36 PM. Reason : I didn't think it was a bad sub when it happened, but instantly regretted it on the shot clock v.]

1/12/2011 5:35:26 PM

adder was ecstatic when Lowe put Javi in yesterday's game. The kid was fucking ecstatic. In all likelihood probably jumped off his Sidney Lowe autographed bean bag chair and shot his wad for that in-game adjustment.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:38 PM. Reason : lol]

1/12/2011 5:37:13 PM

It would be nice if NyM would grow some balls and get rid of this kid so the adults can talk

1/12/2011 5:37:45 PM

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"if we played that schedule in one of our 4-12 acc years do you really think lowe would do all that well? i'm going to say 12-16 optimistically"

do you really think we'd lose home games to Hampton, Davidson, College of Charleston, and Ohio?

1/12/2011 5:38:55 PM

Or New Orleans?!

1/12/2011 5:39:25 PM

Well considering all of those teams you just listed are better than Delaware State....

1/12/2011 5:39:39 PM

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"people will talk about nc state"

Um, no they will not. As a person who has lived many miles from Raleigh in multiple locations, no one gives a rat ass about NC State. When I tell people I am a fan of NC State, I still get Tar Heel comments 50-60% of the time. Yeah in the basketball world, coaches know NC State, but we are irrelevant to average fans.

1/12/2011 5:39:56 PM

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"Or New Orleans?!"

i'm talking about all those losses at home, in the same season

even UNC lost to Santa Clara one year and went on to win the title...you can fuck up once to a bad team...not 4 times

1/12/2011 5:40:04 PM

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"whats so crazy about an 18 year old playing 40 minutes of basketball?"

nothing really. but harrow doesn't quite have a "college body" yet. and he's going up against a lot of guards that do. and i've seen harrow blatantly burned more times than javi. and yes, i imagine lowe is playing some seniority. that's a part of team chemistry. javi definitely seems like a team player, but there might be some rumbling from the team or recruits if he only played javi a couple mins a game.

but, i understood why javi started. and i can kinda understand why he's still starting. but i definitely agree that harrow's minutes should continue to increase.

1/12/2011 5:41:29 PM

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"do you really think we'd lose home games to Hampton, Davidson, College of Charleston, and Ohio?"

all of them? no. some, yes. would we beat st joe's and texas a&m? maybe 1 of the 2. i said 12-16, which is still an awful record. no chance we pick up wins against those UK, UConn or Indiana teams

1/12/2011 5:42:28 PM

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"Well considering all of those teams you just listed are better than Delaware State...."

dammit, i keep forgetting that we lost to Delaware State

1/12/2011 5:42:29 PM

Quote :

"Um, no they will not. As a person who has lived many miles from Raleigh in multiple locations, no one gives a rat ass about NC State. When I tell people I am a fan of NC State, I still get Tar Heel comments 50-60% of the time. Yeah in the basketball world, coaches know NC State, but we are irrelevant to average fans."

well yea this is true and I've experienced the same but I'm talking about on ESPN. Even when we've sucked this year and the Hickson year a couple talking heads still tried to talk us up. And games against Duke/UNC/etc are still exposure...always on TV and NBA scouts will be there in droves. We're still in the ACC, which still has a recruiting effect the same way South Carolina being in the SEC helps them in football even if they've sucked/been mediocre pretty much forever until this year

1/12/2011 5:45:35 PM

Quote :

"dammit, i keep forgetting that we lost to Delaware State"

We didn't lose. We made an improbable comeback to take them out by 2 points. Sent those bitches home crying for sure.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:46 PM. Reason : y]

1/12/2011 5:46:04 PM

Quote :

" We made an improbable comeback to take them out by 2 points. "

We trailed by two ten minutes into the game

1/12/2011 5:48:08 PM

stupid games like that delaware state one happen all the time, even to the best coaches and programs

the problem is the frequency of them and the lack of success against our peers

1/12/2011 5:50:27 PM

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"We trailed by two ten minutes into the game"

Oh that's right, I'm thinking of the Youngstown St. game where we made the improbably come back. We sent that 1-5 Horizon team home with some bruised egos for sure.

1/12/2011 5:51:21 PM

A slow start and we still won by 17

1/12/2011 5:53:55 PM

Yeah, after outscoring them 46-16 in the 2nd half, that might have bruised their egos a tad.

[Edited on January 12, 2011 at 5:58 PM. Reason : and yes, we started off down 3-21, and that was horrendous, but there are two 1/2s in college bball]

1/12/2011 5:54:22 PM

AIN'T NO MARGIN HIGH ENOUGH

AIN'T NO VALLEY LOW ENOUGH

AIN'T NO RIVER WIDE ENOUGH

1/12/2011 5:59:03 PM

I still support the decision to bring Javi in. In hindsight it was a bad decision but what reasonable entity would assume that your senior pg who is historically a better defender would act like such a fucking idiot when he was put in. It wasn't like we were stopping BC before Javi came in either.

1/12/2011 7:02:57 PM

I think Sidney Lowe has the chance to go down as the worst (or one of the worst) coaches in ACC history

1/12/2011 7:08:19 PM

Sid has already established that he's not even the worst NC State coach in the last 20 years

but haters gonna hate

1/12/2011 7:10:26 PM