Yes monster talent

Yes he is squandering it

I'm not talking about the future goddammit. Do you have to insert your fucking Debbie Downer shit into every post.

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 3:53 PM. Reason : ]

1/13/2011 3:52:37 PM

I'll agree with him bringing in monster talent. Hickson, Smith, the guys this year, he's very credible at that.

But me, as a casual basketball fan, have heard nothing but bitching about point guard and noticed its been a glaring need. I like Javi, think he has great energy and that latin fire, but often his plays just put us in the gutter when we are behind with his reckless drives and ridiculous 2 point jump shots. But other than Javi, we haven't had a good point guard.

1/13/2011 3:53:00 PM

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"Monster talent really? If it is so monster we would win regardless how bad of a coach he is."

^ roy williams says "hi dadgumit"

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM. Reason : ]

1/13/2011 3:53:13 PM

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"If it is so monster we would win regardless how bad of a coach he is."

Thats why Kentucky won it all last year!

1/13/2011 3:53:26 PM

Peter you don't even watch the games shut up

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"But other than Javi, we haven't had a good point guard."

looooooooooooooooooooooool

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM. Reason : ]

1/13/2011 3:53:37 PM

I don't care at all that Sid put Javi in the game.

What I care about is this --- watch the damn play again. He comes in at 3:38, up to that point BC has been in man to man. Coming out of the timeout, Donahue goes zone. We start to set some down screens for Scott Wood, and then it dawns on them.... "oh fuck, they're playing zone.".

Javi looks to the sidelines, Lowe's doing his usual retarded arm flailing, and then it's time for the infamous Javi heave.

Lowe flat out got pwned coming out of that timeout. I don't care that he put Javi in. Part of it is also on Javi for being a senior point guard who doesn't recognize the situation and doesn't at least attempt to drive into the zone to create a better shot after the set play was clearly busted due to the opposing defensive call.

The Lowe lovers in this thread sure are quick to throw Javi under the bus, saying he sucks, throwing off on him, but are conveniently ignoring that Donahue owned his ass from the sidelines with the defensive switch.

Of course, the Lowe lovers obviously don't know good coaching when they see it, otherwise they wouldn't support his hapless ass.

1/13/2011 3:54:24 PM

You forget that we scored off all but one timeout before that

Sets looked good for the most part

1/13/2011 3:55:20 PM

^^ you know javi heaved it from 45 ft right?

so ur saying lowe was distracting him?

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 3:57 PM. Reason : ]

1/13/2011 3:56:32 PM

The class w/ Tracy and JJ was ok.

I was also happy with the class of Wood, Howell, Painter, and Vandy (and shoulda been Lo).

And '11 and '12 aren't done yet.


(oh no, the recruiting argument again!!!!!)

1/13/2011 3:57:19 PM

Obviously Lowe told him to make sure he kept an eye on the shot clock. Look at his face after the play.... I can only describe it as disgusted.

1/13/2011 3:58:35 PM

Lol because Lowe has even touched Kentucky winning levels.

UNC's "monster talent" is based on the fact they committed to UNC not because they are actually good.

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:03 PM. Reason : Wait I thought UNC won a title or two under Roy? Am I mistaken?]

1/13/2011 4:02:06 PM

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"^^ you know javi heaved it from 45 ft right? so ur saying lowe was distracting him?"

No.

I'm saying that: #1. Lowe didn't have the team ready for anything other than a man to man #2. Javi had no idea how the fuck to improvise.

#2 is partly on Javi, and partly on our coaching. He wasn't prepared for the situation, and I have a feeling Lowe's constant control freak whistling in and play calling on offense is so ingrained in these kids head, it's not conducive to them thinking for themselves.

Lowe wasn't distracting him, but the fact that Javi felt the need to look toward the bench when the defensive curve was thrown at him is very telling for both our senior point guard and those on the bench who have coached him for 4 years.

1/13/2011 4:02:43 PM

What other good point guard have we recruited then? Serious question, not counting this year. Last good guy we had that I remember Astur

1/13/2011 4:04:07 PM

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"I have a feeling Lowe's constant control freak whistling in and play calling on offense is so ingrained in these kids head, it's not conducive to them thinking for themselves."

You need to get in lock-step with the rest of your comrades

They're positive that he does nothing on the sidelines

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:05 PM. Reason : Peter what the fuck are you even talking about]

1/13/2011 4:04:53 PM

Peter Jesus son go to Chit Chat.

Atsur was a SG playing PG.

I think ^^ is on to something though. Lowe is constantly waiving his arms and yelling instructions.

1/13/2011 4:06:28 PM

^^^i think he was lol'ing at your claim to javi being "good"

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:07 PM. Reason : ]

1/13/2011 4:06:51 PM

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" Lowe is constantly waiving his arms and yelling instructions."

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" Lowe is constantly waiving his arms and yelling instructions."

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" Lowe is constantly waiving his arms and yelling instructions."

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" Lowe is constantly waiving his arms and yelling instructions."

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" Lowe is constantly waiving his arms and yelling instructions."

1/13/2011 4:07:19 PM

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"I have a feeling Lowe's constant control freak whistling in and play calling on offense is so ingrained in these kids head, it's not conducive to them thinking for themselves."

When Lowe was talking about the incoming Harrow, he specifically mentioned that Harrow brought a skill to the position that allowed for him to improvise, a skill that meant Lowe wouldn't have to babysit the offense as much. the implication obviously being that Javi doesn't have the ability to just run the offense, they HAVE to do plays in order to be successful.

1/13/2011 4:08:24 PM

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"Peter what the fuck are you even talking about"

I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE



back to lurking

1/13/2011 4:08:35 PM

Nice response.

It could be a distraction. He might be over coaching. Our PGs can't dribble the ball upcourt without looking to Lowe for help/instruction.

1/13/2011 4:08:58 PM

Under-coaching, over-coaching! Make up your mind!

All he does is clap! He didn't give Javi instructions in the huddle!

No, wait! He's always jumping around and calling plays! He's distracting them!

This is seriously the most laughable argument this thread has seen yet.

1/13/2011 4:10:16 PM

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"The guy had never recruited anyone in his entire life and within five years he's pulling in monster talent"

- E

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"Monster talent really? If it is so monster we would win regardless how bad of a coach he is."

-PB

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"Thats why Kentucky won it all last year!"

- TT

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"Lol because Lowe has even touched Kentucky winning levels."

- PB

Great argument there, PB.

1/13/2011 4:11:05 PM

I've said it hundreds of times

Boozie can't fucking straight-up reply to anyone

He'll just change the argument so he can get another dig in at Lowe

1/13/2011 4:11:51 PM

^^I am a fan of that abbreviated user initial quoting style

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:12 PM. Reason : gg B]

1/13/2011 4:11:51 PM

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"Of course, the Lowe lovers obviously don't know good coaching when they see it, otherwise they wouldn't support his hapless ass."

seriously

outside of a few people on here, a few people on Pack Pride, and the mongoloids that run Pack Insider/Wolfpack Hoops, no one thinks that Lowe is a good coach

and yet I'm the one being called a retard?

1/13/2011 4:11:53 PM

Jesus Christ, from someone their motto is be rational you are being a fuckhead.

You know what I am talking about. He is possibly hindering more than helping.

Because Sidney is a bad coach does not mean he is under-coaching.

This is exactly why this thread is a joke.

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:17 PM. Reason : How could it be helping totally relying on him?]

1/13/2011 4:12:17 PM

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"You know what I am talking about. He is possibly hindering more than hurting. "

I know exactly what you're talking about

That's why I said it was fucking moronic

1/13/2011 4:13:14 PM

So you think Javi looking to Lowe every time down the court is a good thing???

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"seriously outside of a few people on here, a few people on Pack Pride, and the mongoloids that run Pack Insider/Wolfpack Hoops, no one thinks that Lowe is a good coach and yet I'm the one being called a retard?"

Fucking win!

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:14 PM. Reason : ...]

1/13/2011 4:13:44 PM

If it makes Javi the best player he can be, the fuck yes I do

1/13/2011 4:14:17 PM

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" When Lowe was talking about the incoming Harrow, he specifically mentioned that Harrow brought a skill to the position that allowed for him to improvise, a skill that meant Lowe wouldn't have to babysit the offense as much. the implication obviously being that Javi doesn't have the ability to just run the offense, they HAVE to do plays in order to be successful."

I think he certainly has that advantage over Javi, but I'm pretty sure Lowe won't survive to see it. If he doesn't make the tournament this year, he's gone for sure, and rightfully so.

I still think that Javi's inability to do that now, as a senior, certainly falls on the coaches. As does the horrendous team defense and rebounding we've seen the last 4 years. Although, the rebounding is getting much better, namely the addition of Leslie. (the rebounding issues also fall mostly on Larry Harris who can recruit like crazy, but can't coach up the big men worth a fuck).

If Sid is retained by some miracle(like, gets in the NIT and Yow for whatever reason lets him finish out his contract), we absolutely have to fire Towe and add another big man coach and/or a better X's and O's guy.

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:16 PM. Reason : .]

1/13/2011 4:14:18 PM

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"Great argument there, PB."

Ok, let me respond.

IF, big IF, IF NCSU had the season Kentucky did last year, do you think this thread would exist?

I mean come on, but the Lowe haters are irrational.

1/13/2011 4:15:58 PM

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"and yet I'm the one being called a retard?""

Hey man. I'm not calling you a retard, and I'm not saying why anyone else has. But I don't think it has anything to do with the stance you're taking as much as the how you're representing that stance. At least that's how it is with boozie. His position makes decent sense if you get down to the very essential bits of it. But the way he goes about presenting his position is like a fucking special needs kid.

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:17 PM. Reason : ^ See what I mean. What kind of dickhead post is that.]

1/13/2011 4:16:25 PM

^^my point was that Kentucky had monster talent last year, right? Like, probably the best talent in the country

yet they didnt win it all

even though you claim if you have monster talent, you should be able to win regardless of who is coaching

also its nice that 2 days after the game, people are admitting that subbing in Javi was actually a good move

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:17 PM. Reason : .]

1/13/2011 4:16:44 PM

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"^ See what I mean. What kind of dickhead post is that"

LOL so posting Coach K credibility Watch and how did Duke lose to FSU is being rational?

It has jack-shit to do with Sidney Lowe's incompetence.

^Like this, Kentucky went 35-3 and made an Elite Eight. Is that not fucking winning? We've had what 3 seasons like that in our history

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:20 PM. Reason : but he didn't win ok]

1/13/2011 4:19:16 PM

I don't know if you can see usernames attached to posts, but I said none of those things

And you really think those dudes were being serious? Coach K credibility watch? You don't think they were just trying to get you going?

1/13/2011 4:21:10 PM

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"You don't think they were just trying to get you going?"

Oh I know they were but when the "Lowe detractors" do it we're being irrational.

Double fucking standard my friend.

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:23 PM. Reason : Kind of like how many support Lowe JUST because he played for us]

1/13/2011 4:22:10 PM

You're being irrational because you mean the stupid things you say

They're just droppin troll bait that you fucking scarf right up

1/13/2011 4:24:16 PM

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"Kentucky went 35-3 and made an Elite Eight. Is that not fucking winning?"

with their monster talent, they should've won it all, even with a coach 10x shittier than Calipari

right?

1/13/2011 4:25:15 PM

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"seriously outside of a few people on here, a few people on Pack Pride, and the mongoloids that run Pack Insider/Wolfpack Hoops, no one thinks that Lowe is a good coach and yet I'm the one being called a retard?"

Julius Hodge certainly seems to think he is a good coach. Just last night he was talking about how he wished he could have played for Lowe. But I guess he doesn't know shit about college basketball does he?

I was totally serious about the Coach K credibility watch. WTF he should have passed Knight already if he was worth a shit

More like Debbie Down-syndrome (very poor taste but I couldn't resist)

1/13/2011 4:27:18 PM

Point exactly what I have said that is stupid that I mean.

I said we would drop after running Herb off, check.

I said Lowe wasn't the right choice, so far, check.

I said TOB was a good choice, so far, check.

I also said we would not be any better with all this great talent 2 seasons ago, check.

I'll just start posting like Rally and be a complete asshole. Even though everything above is right, I am a retard.

1/13/2011 4:27:44 PM

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"I also said we would not be any better with all this great talent 2 seasons ago, check."

To make cumulative statements about a season don't you think the season should be FINISHED????
You see no problem about not qualifying that statement and that is why you are almost universally derided.

1/13/2011 4:31:23 PM

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"I said TOB was a good choice, so far, check."

were you ready for him to be fired after his 3rd straight losing season? or do you just actually exhibit patience with white coaches?

1/13/2011 4:31:24 PM

The amazing Down-syndrome racist

1/13/2011 4:33:03 PM

Football takes longer than basketball, a basketball team can be turned around in one class.

And yes, this past year was a year for expected improvement and shazam! he delivered.

Yes it's all about race! Larry Brown's white ass out, Paul Silas's black ass in. Black coach = better.

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM. Reason : seriously???]

[Edited on January 13, 2011 at 4:35 PM. Reason : and that Ron Rivera Mexican WTF??? come on I don't care if you are trolling]

1/13/2011 4:33:47 PM

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"a basketball team can be turned around in one class"

see: Les Robinson, Herb Sendek, etc

1/13/2011 4:42:23 PM

I'm not sure what that means. Are you saying Hodge class did? No class turned Les around.

And still waiting on someone to point out what I am wrong about.

1/13/2011 4:43:35 PM

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"I still think that Javi's inability to do that now, as a senior, certainly falls on the coaches."

Javi's inability to do that now has to do with the fact that Javi is just not very good. You have to agree he's made big steps in improvement, but no coach can turn lead into gold. He reached his ceiling, and he's regressed now. Coaches can't do shit about that.

1/13/2011 4:44:07 PM

yes I'm sure Julius Hodge, a former player who lives in Raleigh and is able to use the State gym and facilities whenever he wants, is gonna talk shit about the current coach on the radio. that would really be in his best interests I'm sure.

1/13/2011 4:44:58 PM

He talked shit about him on facebook right after the game

Then the next day, WHEN HE HAD A CHANCE TO CALM DOWN AND THINK BACK ON IT, he didn't fault Sid for the substitution

its almost like some people can get angry in the short term after a loss, but then step back and change their minds and let cooler heads prevail!

1/13/2011 4:46:15 PM

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"or do you just actually exhibit patience with white coaches?"

dear lord.

getting desperate in the defense, now.

1/13/2011 4:49:39 PM