- talked on the phone regularly with Wichard
- manalishi on Pack Pride is able to paint a quick picture of a pattern of calls between Blake, Davis and Wichard.

7/18/2012 11:46:01 AM

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7/18/2012 11:52:42 AM

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7/18/2012 11:55:46 AM

Changes coming for UNC Athletic Dept
http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc/story/11322990/

7/18/2012 12:42:59 PM

^a fluff piece lauding unc's recent director's cup success while painting a rosy outlook of their future... all while making no mention of their ncaa "review"

those are some major "changes" mentioned right there

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"“If we invest additional money in this particular sport, are we going to get a result?” Cunningham said. “Do we have additional money that we can invest? What are we doing to drive revenue? So it’s not just on the sports to say, ‘Okay, get better.’ It’s on us to say, ‘What are we going to do to provide resources for them to get better?’”"

"if we pay off tutor x, coach y and legal counsel z, are we going to get a result?" bubba said. "it's on us to say, 'what are we going to do to provide resources to protect basketball?'"

[Edited on July 18, 2012 at 1:59 PM. Reason : .]

7/18/2012 1:36:33 PM

Pat Forde talking with Gold insinuated basketball championship team involved

No evidence just that it should be investigated.

7/18/2012 3:40:17 PM

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7/18/2012 5:18:00 PM

They'll probably replay the interview around 6:30.

7/18/2012 5:21:04 PM

url?

7/18/2012 5:24:12 PM

^http://espntriangle.com

Forde was talking about this quote from a UNC professor.

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"I think it's high time for all of us to know the full extent of the fraudulent behavior," Smith wrote. "Were members of the 2009 and 2005 national championship teams also beneficiaries of the AFAM/AFRI scam? I for one see no reason to assume that they were not. If the university wants to prove they were not, the whole world is listening.""

7/18/2012 6:00:41 PM

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"the whole world is listening"

message_topic.aspx?topic=523432

7/18/2012 6:02:22 PM

^ It's already obvious per this article, that members of the 2005 Championship team were in on the AFAM fraud.

http://www.indystar.com/article/20100402/SPORTS0609/4020331/They-got-game-do-NCAA-players-graduate-

Manuel, Jackie	North Carolina	2005	Yes	African & Afro-American Studies	Details   
May, Sean	North Carolina	2005	Yes	African & Afro-American Studies	Details   
McCants, Rashad	North Carolina	2005	No	 	Details   
Noel, David	North Carolina	2005	Yes	African & Afro-American Studies	Details   
Scott, Melvin	North Carolina	2005	Yes	African & Afro-American Studies	Details   
Terry, Reyshawn	North Carolina	2005	Yes	African & Afro-American Studies	Details   
Thomas, Quentin	North Carolina	2005	Yes	African & Afro-American Studies	Details   
Williams, Jawad	North Carolina	2005	Yes	African & Afro-American Studies	Details  

7/18/2012 6:05:55 PM

you know all those guys had a big heart for aa studies

7/18/2012 11:08:33 PM

Troll headline

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"At UNC, athletes’ records are sometimes _ _ _ _ _ University of North Carolina officials say they must protect students’ education records. The result is documents with lots of blanks. Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/18/2206929/at-unc-athletes-records-are-sometimes.html"

[Edited on July 19, 2012 at 12:09 AM. Reason : Link fix]

7/19/2012 12:04:22 AM

This entire article is brutal, shows why you should not piss off investigative journalists.

7/19/2012 12:10:14 AM

kind of a more condensed version of the previous article, but a few other different things

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/07/18/3390976/unc-records-show-some-unauthorized.html

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"And at least two football players confirmed that they and others met with someone – believed to be a former tutor who was a central figure in an NCAA investigation – the evening before they were to be interviewed as part of the probe. None said they were there to try to get their stories straight, but one acknowledged making an incorrect statement claiming that he had not seen the tutor the previous evening."

7/19/2012 12:36:44 AM

These assholes are only prolonging this scandal by dragging their feet on every FICA request and court order. Eventually it'll all come out.

I'm not sure how long they want to continue this charade, but by the end, the cover-up will look just as bad as the fraud.

7/19/2012 1:30:42 AM

oh my god this is so awesome.

7/19/2012 2:23:35 AM

it seems pretty obvious that basketball was involved too. and let's be honest, with the level of orchestrated cheating going on do we really believe that it was all about football?

i'm not satisfied with the sanctions against the football team, and i want to see some concrete violations tied to the basketball team as well.

7/19/2012 2:30:53 AM

i will not rest until banners come down !!

7/19/2012 2:57:01 AM

In light of the new info, I think "ernie" will be calling David Glenn tomorrow to discuss the BDS campaign once again.

7/19/2012 3:00:12 AM

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"The university is also using its duty to protect education records to justify its redactions in other documents, including one detailing a football player’s visit to a strip club."

...wut?

7/19/2012 6:37:22 AM

Well obviously that was a field trip to highlight gender discrimination in the work place

7/19/2012 7:52:41 AM

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"These assholes are only prolonging this scandal by dragging their feet on every FICA request and court order. Eventually it'll all come out. I'm not sure how long they want to continue this charade, but by the end, the cover-up will look just as bad as the fraud."

The goal is to cover it up long enough to wait for a bigger event to mask this one over. They are lucky with the Penn State scandal currently.

Remember how the football infractions were announced the first weekend of the NCAA Basketball tournament? That got pushed several pages down the news feed.

7/19/2012 9:39:38 AM

I wonder how many times the AA Studies program was used as a recruiting edge?

Butch: What's your ideal college experience?
Athlete: playing football, partying, and meeting girls.
Butch: what about education?
Athlete: as easy as possible.
Butch: let's call my friend who is the head of the African American Studies program. I think you two will get along just fine. We better use my personal phone... My work phone is in the car.

[Edited on July 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM. Reason : Lol]

7/19/2012 10:01:36 AM

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"WRALSportsFan ?@WRALSportsFan Media attorney-Davis acknowledges using private phone to conduct coaching biz"

No shit but good to have it on the record, open shut case from here on out as far as I'm concerned.

7/19/2012 11:27:52 AM

i thought there was precedent that private things like cell phones used to conduct public business were subject to public records laws.

why is this taking so goddamn long?

7/19/2012 11:34:49 AM

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"why is this taking so goddamn long?"

It is taking so long because the press in NC initially wouldn't report on the scandal over there because they are all UNC homers. I think now, though they are getting pissed off because of the blatant obstruction. Then, keep in mind that a vast majority of the lawyers and judges in this state graduated from UNC as well, so that avenue is also clogged up with homerism. Maybe a few of the reporters want to actually clean up their university, and it's starting to hit the fan now. This might be wishful thinking, but now that we are seeing the press lash out at UNC, things might start speeding up.

[Edited on July 19, 2012 at 12:03 PM. Reason : ]

7/19/2012 11:52:10 AM

I would argue its mostly on the university doing everything in their power to obfuscate the process. You can't really blame the media for not reporting when they can't get a hold of the documents they need for proof. The response from the local media has been much better than it would have been 10~15 years ago.

Also blatant homerism from judges and lawyers not in the UNC employ has been pretty minimal because thankfully the scandal has been so bad it would be really hard for them to make a legit explanation for helping out the program.

Ultimately it comes down to the fact that UNC has made every trick and legal maneuver possible to try and prevent anyone from finding this shit out.

7/19/2012 12:12:47 PM

As for the judges, I can't imagine that they can't come out and say "enough is enough, damnit. you know the law, release that ish" if they really wanted to do so.

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"You can't really blame the media for not reporting when they can't get a hold of the documents they need for proof."

I can blame them for refusing to report on any of it while outlets like Yahoo! and others ARE reporting on it. That's changed recently, clearly, but they were silent long before the lawsuits started flying. The only reason they got on board with the lawsuits is because other national outlets were doing it, and it would look even worse if the local ones weren't covering it.

For fuck's sake, the local media was TOWING THE UNC LINE initially, saying there was nothing to see here, move along!

7/19/2012 12:14:19 PM

it would be pretty funny if we took the names off our players' jerseys and said it was due to ferpa

7/19/2012 12:14:41 PM

^^ Yeah I think they hid their head under the sand too much in the early going but we're getting a couple articles a week about it right now and Dan Kane has been murdering UNC in the N&O.

There's a lot of blame to go around but I'm of the opinion that its mostly on carolina for blocking the process.

Anyway I have PackPride open on one window and InsideCarolina in another and the dichotomy is hilarious.

7/19/2012 12:18:26 PM

The real question will be if they are willing to go after basketball when the trail eventually and inexorably leads there.

7/19/2012 12:24:47 PM

None of the Butch phone records will have anything to do with Basketball, but it would be interesting if Butch has any calls to the AFAM Department Head.

Basketball will come out of repeated pressure to look into the AFAM program and those fraudulent classes.

7/19/2012 12:31:07 PM

I'll believe it when I see it.

7/19/2012 12:34:23 PM

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"i thought there was precedent that private things like cell phones used to conduct public business were subject to public records laws."

yup, pretty sure that's true. same goes for email and the like i think.

7/19/2012 12:46:01 PM

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"WRALSportsFan ?@WRALSportsFan Burning question for Manning-if UNC is hiding behind FERPA, why would UNC give names to NCAA. Why doesn't FERPA apply there. Fair ???"

Good. Fucking. Question.

7/19/2012 12:49:31 PM

Also, the UNC players waived their FERPA rights or something like that when they interviewed with the NCAA

7/19/2012 12:53:50 PM

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"WRALSportsFan ?@WRALSportsFan Hearing over. No decisions"

Well fuck...

7/19/2012 12:58:02 PM

^ don't worry. It'll get appealed, the real winner in all of this is us (and IC knows it). This will just get dragged out and kept on simmer for a few more weeks/months. Also, those records WILL get released.

7/19/2012 1:33:36 PM

This thing will literally never end. It's like death by a thousand cuts. And the fact that the judge made a whiteout/redaction joke to start it off

7/19/2012 2:35:35 PM

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"The response from the local media has been much better than it would have been 10~15 years ago. "

If this happened in the late 90s, none of it would have ever been discovered in the 1st place because man tits would not have been able to post from Miami on Twitter and Packpride would not have been able to google the plagiarism. Thank God for the internets!

7/19/2012 3:42:14 PM

Nicks was ineligible in 2008

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/19/2209329/unc-star-nicks-ineligible-during.html#storylink=cpy

7/19/2012 11:42:48 PM

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7/20/2012 12:25:17 AM

THE GIFT THAT KEEPS ON MOTHERFUCKING GIVING!!!

7/20/2012 12:28:14 AM

How can they put an asterisk next to his records? They should have to remove them completely for the ineligible season.

That would be like letting Philip Rivers play an extra year, and then put an asterisk next to his records because he wasn't actually eligible to play.

7/20/2012 8:05:06 AM

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"That would be like letting Philip Rivers play an extra year, and then put an asterisk next to his records because he wasn't actually eligible to play."

No, it wouldnt be like that at all.

7/20/2012 8:18:30 AM

You're right, not the same situation. However, it would still be playing an ineligible player and letting his records remain in the record book although they were garnered during the ineligible season.

7/20/2012 8:50:20 AM

another editorial, this one calling out Tom Ross
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/20/2208481/documents-go-through-the-laundry.html

7/20/2012 9:31:46 AM