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Quote : | "BREAKING NEWS: In a report released Thursday, a faculty subcommittee at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill found that Tar Heel athletes told interviewers that they were directed to classes in the African and Afro-American Studies Department by staffers in the Academic Support Program for Student Athletes." |
THIS THREAD KEEPS ON GIVING7/26/2012 6:23:19 PM |
bonerjamz 04 All American 3217 Posts user info edit post |
7/26/2012 6:26:17 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
:smilingboner.gif: 7/26/2012 6:52:06 PM |
hey now Indianapolis Jones 14975 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "BREAKING NEWS: In a report released Thursday, a faculty subcommittee at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill found that Tar Heel athletes told interviewers that they were directed to classes in the African and Afro-American Studies Department by staffers in the Academic Support Program for Student Athletes." |
Nice work by the faculty there.......groundbreaking stuff. Every major athletic department in the country does this, including ours, but our shit curriculums are at least taught by living breathing teachers. ]7/26/2012 7:02:52 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53065 Posts user info edit post |
hey, N'yangoro is still alive.
for now] 7/26/2012 7:16:26 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
he's probably hiding out in Uganda with Joseph Kony 7/26/2012 7:19:04 PM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
Guys, this is an academic issue, not an athletic issue. Geez. 7/26/2012 7:33:04 PM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/26/2223477/unc-chapel-hill-faculty-calls.html#storylink=cpy
Come on guise 7/26/2012 7:47:49 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Bring in Louis Freeh!" |
7/26/2012 10:30:48 PM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
^^
Quote : | "UNC-Chapel Hill faculty calls for outside review of athletics and academics By Dan Kane - dkane@newsobserver.com
CHAPEL HILL -- A report by a special faculty committee looking into the academic fraud scandal at UNC-Chapel Hill found an athletics program divorced from the faculty, academic counselors for athletes improperly helping them enroll in classes and poor oversight of faculty administrators who have wide latitude in running their departments.
The three professors who wrote the report called for an independent commission of outside experts in higher education to review athletics and academics at the university.
“It is our hope that such a panel of distinguished experts will both highlight what we are doing right and identify areas of deficiencies in organization and procedure,” the report said.
The report comes after a university probe found 54 courses within the Department of African and Afro-American Studies that had little or no instruction, and dozens of independent study classes that had little evidence of academic rigor. The classes were largely filled with athletes, and some had nothing but football or basketball players enrolled.
University officials have said the fraud does not merit an NCAA investigation because nonathletes also were enrolled in the no-show classes, though they represent a minority of the students and the class enrollments. But the report is almost entirely focused on what it called an atmosphere of distrust on a “campus with two cultures,” one academic and one athletic.
University officials also say the blame for the scandal falls upon two individuals – Julius Nyang’oro, the longtime chairman of the department now forced into retirement, and Deborah Crowder, the longtime department manager who retired in 2009. But the report suggests that academic counselors who are assigned to help athletes keep up with their classes – and therefore remain eligible to play – share some of the responsibility.
The report said an unidentified “departmental staff manager” within African studies may have directed athletes to enroll in the no-show classes, and that “it seems likely” someone in the department was calling counselors for athletes to tell them “certain courses” were available.
“We were told that athletes claimed they had been sent to Julius Nyang’oro by the (Academic Support Program for Student Athletes)” the report said.
Chancellor Holden Thorp previously confirmed that academic counselors to the athletes had registered football players through the African studies department for a no-show summer class in 2011 that has sparked a criminal investigation. Nyang’oro hatched the class two days before the start of the session, records show, and within a few days it was filled with 18 football players and one former player.
Counselors for the athletes are not supposed to steer them to particular classes. But the report noted that the athletes were likely using those counselors to help them select classes because the university’s academic advising staff-to-student ratio is 500 to one, twice the national average.
Much of the 13-page report describes an athletics program that has too much control over athletes, and not enough effort by the university to make sure athletes are getting a full educational experience. The authors noted that the admissions office under its current director has never rejected a student athlete with a subpar academic record that has received a recommendation from a special advisory committee.
They said the academic support program for athletes is supposed to be run by the College of Arts and Sciences, but its funding comes from the athletics department, and its director, Robert Mercer, also reports to John Blanchard, a senior athletics director.
“This reporting system is ambiguous, lacks clarity, and is likely not to be very productive,” the report said.
The academic fraud case has generated numerous investigations and reports, but the faculty report said the various probes have different missions that may miss the larger issues at stake.
“The piecemeal statements of the university in response to each new report ends up being imperfect, because none deals comprehensively with the larger issues, nor has the time been taken to confront constructively and proactively the systemic issues around athletics and academics,” the report said.
Many faculty members, the report found, felt they have no say in academic decisions, particularly regarding student-athletes. They say the university should examine athletes’ course selection over a period of roughly 10 years to see if they are clustering in certain classes and departments with the intent of protecting their eligibility in sports.
“Generally, (faculty) call for an external review of athletic advising, independent of the Athletic Department, as well as more forthright statements from the administration about the compromises made to host Division I athletics at UNC,” the report said.
The authors are professors Steven Bachenheimer, a professor of microbiology and immunology; Michael Gerhardt, a law professor; and Laurie F. Maffly-Kipp, a professor of religious studies.
Chancellor Holden Thorp said in a statement he supports an outside review. “It will complement the other activities and inquiries in progress,” he said.
Jay Smith, a history professor who has been one of the strongest voices for a full investigation into the academic fraud, also praised the authors for an “excellent” report.
“Subtle, measured, carefully worded,” he said, “and bracing to anyone who’s reading closely.”
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/26/2223477/unc-chapel-hill-faculty-calls.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy" |
7/26/2012 10:40:37 PM |
tommy wiseau All American 2624 Posts user info edit post |
I don't know who Joey Powell is (think he works for 99.9) but that dude is the most typical UNC fan ever on twitter. tries to deflect all news stories as no big deal and comes out looking extremely butthurt. 7/26/2012 10:42:18 PM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Chancellor Holden Thorp said in a statement he supports an outside review. “It will complement the other activities and inquiries in progress,” he said." |
Lol as long as he picks the participants.7/26/2012 11:51:53 PM |
Jaybee1200 Suspended 56200 Posts user info edit post |
hope this keeps going and they have to vacate that totally bullshit win in the Music City Bowl 7/26/2012 11:59:22 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
lol 7/27/2012 12:33:07 AM |
wdprice3 BinaryBuffonary 45912 Posts user info edit post |
7/27/2012 8:31:13 AM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
did anyone see the kendall marhsall tweet about being on campus and seeing Butch on campus as well? it was recent...
WHY would the University continue to welcome him? I realize his son is on the team but still... 7/27/2012 2:09:52 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
probably getting their stories straight
[Edited on July 27, 2012 at 2:28 PM. Reason : https://twitter.com/KButter5/status/227481951165112320] 7/27/2012 2:24:49 PM |
HCH All American 3895 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""Chancellor Holden Thorp said in a statement he supports an outside review. “It will complement the other activities and inquiries in progress,” he said."" |
Didn't he already say that another outside investigation is not needed, since the SBI are already involved? And he thought another separate investigation would get in the way of the ongoing investigations?7/27/2012 2:57:24 PM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
Similar report from WRAL: http://www.wral.com/news/education/story/11361189/
Quote : | "Faculty report: Advisers pointed UNC athletes to Af-Am Department
July 26, 2012 Chapel Hill, N.C. — In a report released Thursday, a faculty subcommittee at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill found that Tar Heel athletes told interviewers that they were directed to classes in the African and Afro-American Studies Department by staffers in the Academic Support Program for Student Athletes.
“It seems likely that someone on the African and Afro-American Studies Department called athletics counselors to tell them courses would be available,” the report states.
The subcommittee’s report did not find any errors in an initial internal investigation by UNC into the African and Afro-American Studies Department and said that “there was a clear finding that only the former chair Julius Nyang’Oro and Deborah Crowder, a former staff member had been involved.” However, they did say they were “struck by the potential confusion” for student-athletes being advised by athletic-support personnel and academic advisers.
Interviews by the subcommittee revealed varying accounts of who signed off on student forms for athletes. The root of the confusion comes from the fact that there are two separate advisory buildings – the Steele Building, used for academic advising, and the Loudermilk Center, which was designed for student-athlete academic purposes. The issue boils down to what the report calls, “an absence of systematic or regular communication between the athletic department and the university as a whole.”
Further interviews suggested that athletic advisers were discouraged from contacting faculty to discuss courses offered and were instead guided to the associate directors at the Loudermilk Center – those whose salaries are paid by the athletics department.
The findings also present a continued sense of secrecy coming out of the athletics department and the subcommittee’s report calls for more transparency throughout the university.
They state, “We were struck in general by the lack of sharing of information about athletics, athletic advising and the relationship between athletics and academics, to various constituencies across the campus, including the faculty.”
The subcommittee is the latest to take on the topic of athletics and academics at UNC, and within the African and Afro-American Studies Department in particular, since questions emerged when the NCAA began looking into the Tar Heel football program in 2009. The result of over-investigating in the opinion of the subcommittee is hindering the process.
“Most recently, there appears to be another example of duplication of efforts with an investigation initiated by UNC System President Tom Ross and undertaken by the Board of Governors,” the report reads. “The result is, on one hand, a sense of over-investigation by those called in for continual questioning, and on the other hand, little sense that the faculty and administration as a whole have a clear grasp at the larger issue at stake.”
The subcommittee’s final recommendations include centralizing advisers and putting in place a system for signing off on course forms. They suggest that in the case of student-athletes, advising should be done on the academic side and approved by the athletics side and not the other way around.
The report also suggests that there should be more monitoring of student records and transcripts and more oversight in university departments." |
7/27/2012 3:02:57 PM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "UNC-Chapel Hill faculty calls for outside review of athletics and academics" |
Quote : | "The result of over-investigating in the opinion of the subcommittee is hindering the process.
“Most recently, there appears to be another example of duplication of efforts with an investigation initiated by UNC System President Tom Ross and undertaken by the Board of Governors,” the report reads." |
So they want an outside review, but the outside review by the BOG is hindering the process? What the hell?7/27/2012 5:49:40 PM |
bonerjamz 04 All American 3217 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2012/07/27/many-unc-aas-questions-remain-including-are-roy-williams-and-butch-davis-being-unfairly-targeted/
Quote : | "Specifically, the Carolina Alumni Review points out that Dr. Nyang’oro, the professor (and department head) at the center of the AAS athletic scandal, was employed by the University as a faculty member in 1988. Nyang’oro became the chair of the curriculum at issue in 1992. The Carolina Alumni Review also points out that Nyang’oro was the *first* and *only* department head.
As a matter of deduction, that means that African American Studies as a curriculum was created in 1992 when Nyang’oro was designated the first and only chair." |
Quote : | "It seems worth pointing out that in the first year a curriculum for African American Studies existed at UNC (1992) 4 of 5 members of the starting lineup of the National Championship Basketball team immediately majored/minored in the brand new curriculum with Dr. Nyang’oro at the helm. In just one year, an almost entire team happened to migrate to one particular, and brand new, curriculum?
Amazing.
Perhaps even more amazing is that some of these players were juniors and seniors when the curriculum was created! " |
[Edited on July 28, 2012 at 3:00 AM. Reason : .]
[Edited on July 28, 2012 at 3:19 AM. Reason : ..]7/28/2012 2:58:34 AM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
OH
MY
GOD
also, i hadn't even considered this... although i guess he did do the whole agent thing on his own.
Quote : | "Did Butch Davis take the fall for a system that existed long before he, too, arrived in Chapel Hill?" |
also, when i was finally not regretting my decision to read an sfn link
Quote : | "Can the true breadth of the competitive advantage be even comprehended when a coach enters a recruit’s home and speaks of ridiculously over-inflated graduation rates to a superstar’s parents eagerly wanting to hear that “Junior” will earn a degree before he suffers a blown knee?" |
jesus christ guys.
[Edited on July 28, 2012 at 4:42 AM. Reason : butch, my boy.]7/28/2012 4:23:50 AM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
Does SFN really think that AfAm studies didn't exist at UNC before 1992? Just because there was no Department Head before Nyang'oro doesn't mean that the major didn't exist.
AfAm studies was most likely managed under another department before they made it independent in 1992.
[Edited on July 28, 2012 at 2:41 PM. Reason : 2] 7/28/2012 2:38:42 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27841 Posts user info edit post |
Maybe the university made AFAM it's own department in 1992 in order to facilitate no show classes and a ridiculously easy major for the basketball team. It's a lot easier to do that when the department head is behind it, rather than some random professor. I bet bill friday had something to do with all this.
[/tinfoilhat] 7/28/2012 3:14:58 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
maybe the department existed before 1992, but it does seem pretty odd that 4 of the 5 starters on the 93 title team changed their major to that and some were upperclassmen] 7/28/2012 3:20:08 PM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
Or maybe they didn't change their major at all, but SFN assumed they did based on their faulty assumption that AFAM studies didn't exist at UNC before 1992. 7/28/2012 4:36:00 PM |
ncsuallday Sink the Flagship 9818 Posts user info edit post |
God I hope the basketball program gets dragged into this hard. 7/28/2012 5:03:09 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
Time for this Penn State bullshit to end, so that UNC can get the attention... 7/28/2012 5:04:15 PM |
zsl All American 979 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "SFN
FAULTY
ASSUMPTION" |
7/28/2012 5:32:09 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Football and men’s basketball players have factored prominently in the scandal. UNC records show football players made up more than a third of the enrollments in 54 no-show classes, all within the African studies department. Men’s basketball players only made up three percent of the enrollments, but they are a much smaller team in number, and in at least two classes the sole enrollee was a basketball player. UNC records also show that African studies was in the past decade the second most popular major for basketball players, behind communications.
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/07/27/2228033/report-unc-chapel-hill-athletic.html#storylink=cpy" |
Mostly already known info but lots of talk about basketball.
Dan Kane you wonderful bastard, keep it coming7/28/2012 6:56:26 PM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/26/the-latest-on-unc-basketballs-connection-to-the-academic-scandal/#comments
we're catching steam now boys... 7/29/2012 8:07:35 AM |
BrickTop All American 4508 Posts user info edit post |
Hard to believe it's already been almost 10 years since Roy took over. 7/29/2012 8:11:25 AM |
StateCole All American 3597 Posts user info edit post |
Eric Ebron, UNC TE...tweeting weird stuff
Quote : | "Mark Armstrong ?@ArmstrongWTVD Not sure what to make of @Ebron_ last couple tweets, other than I assume (hope) he's just playing around. " |
Quote : | "Eric Ebron ?@Ebron_ I Can't Believe That .. " |
Quote : | " Eric Ebron ?@Ebron_ Sometimes I think is life worth living .. " |
Quote : | "Eric Ebron ?@Ebron_ Bye. " |
7/30/2012 3:39:46 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
que? 7/30/2012 3:50:35 PM |
Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
tombstone_well_bye.jpg 7/30/2012 3:52:13 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
Don't think this guy is an athlete but thought this was funny.
Quote : | "Josh Ransom @josh5ransom my AFAM class this summer was no doubt the stupidest class Ive ever taken.
Josh Ransom @josh5ransom @caitnmiller it was literally bullshit. i read the stuff for the first test only and that was the lowest grade I got." |
7/30/2012 8:58:41 PM |
AstralEngine All American 3864 Posts user info edit post |
Come on... I took a humanities class that was just like that at NC State. 7/30/2012 9:13:17 PM |
jaZon All American 27048 Posts user info edit post |
^ I highly doubt an entire degree in that subject would be that way, though. 7/30/2012 9:54:27 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
we don't know that entire degrees were like that there either though. 7/30/2012 10:23:50 PM |
GenghisJohn bonafide 10252 Posts user info edit post |
sure, be logical and reasoned about it*
*you probably gained those skills and maturity as a result of our rigorous academics 7/30/2012 10:32:35 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
lol 7/30/2012 10:33:17 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Fuck benefit of the doubt. 7/30/2012 10:34:43 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
i've been talking about basketball banners coming down for months now. i'm not giving them much benefit of the doubt. 7/30/2012 10:36:56 PM |
Jaybee1200 Suspended 56200 Posts user info edit post |
when I die, I will pass the torch of brutal objectivity on to my main man simonn 7/30/2012 10:39:21 PM |
dubcaps All American 4765 Posts user info edit post |
can anyone find a course listing of all african and african american study classes taught in the fall 2011 semester? the spring 2012 listing is on unc's site which i've saved, but i'd like to see pre-scandal course listings. i might be on to something, but i need more information.
also FWIW, unc only offers 2 degrees from that department. a BA in african studies and a BA in african american studies. there is also a graduate certificate which i assume is a participation ribbon type deal. 7/30/2012 11:01:30 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
i'm no UNC fan, but i hope their homosexual tight end doesn't kill himself, that would be sad 7/30/2012 11:35:52 PM |
Bullet All American 28417 Posts user info edit post |
N&O Editorial: Alarms Sound!
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/08/01/2236250/alarms-sound.html 8/2/2012 1:36:00 PM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
It's the gift that keeps giving
Tim Jackson - DE
@TimTrizzy My takeaway from the compliance meeting: don't ask permission just ask forgiveness #drizzy
https://twitter.com/TimTrizzy/status/231121424037859328
[Edited on August 2, 2012 at 4:25 PM. Reason : .] 8/2/2012 4:25:32 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148442 Posts user info edit post |
he must have deleted it 8/2/2012 4:35:18 PM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
he sure did...replaced it with a "I guess it's too soon to be facetious" tweet
[Edited on August 2, 2012 at 4:38 PM. Reason : .] 8/2/2012 4:37:38 PM |