Sure why not. They have more talent than us. Leonard Hamilton all day baby. ALL DAY.

1/14/2011 12:31:17 PM

Took Hamilton 7 fucking years to make the NCAA tournament. FSU should give him a lifetime contract. He has NBA ties and recruits well. He will take them to the top.

1/14/2011 12:32:31 PM

adder, Brown was a 5 star on scout for the 2010 class

http://northcarolinastate.scout.com/a.z?s=178&p=9&c=8&cfg=bb&yr=2010

not that that means anything, if you're going to bring something up though, at least be factual.

1/14/2011 12:33:01 PM

I bet Boston College has more talent than us too. Pretty much all of our losses the past 4.5 years can be pinpointed to lack of talent and experience, but NOT the coach.

edit: Oh and injuries and players not making shots. We're just a bad luck school!!!

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 12:37 PM. Reason : boo hoo]

1/14/2011 12:34:23 PM

We have more overall "talent" than BC, but they're much much more experienced.

Jax is prolly as talented as anyone on our team though. Good athleticism, 6'3, decent assist:turnover ratio, eFG% of 63% and shoots 49% from three

1/14/2011 12:37:25 PM

Quote :

"Jax is prolly [b]as talented as anyone on our team]/b] though."

Absolutely, and he torched us. He scored 29 points, the second most he's scored all season. We've allowed guards to put up career numbers on us since Lowe started as coach.

1/14/2011 12:42:54 PM

OhBoyeeeeeee strikes again!!!!!!11

1/14/2011 12:46:27 PM

Quote :

"adder, Brown was a 5 star on scout for the 2010 class"

I was using his scout.com profile which had him as 4 stars for 09
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2430536

Ok so I will elevate Brown to 5 * in my comparison:

FSU- 3 5*
NCSU- 3 5*

FSU- 5 5* (I missed Gibson before)
NCSU- 3 4*

Yet somehow we are clearly the more talented team? I really don't understand the argument of us being the 3rd most talented team in the league. FSU is clearly as talented and much of that talent has significant ACC experience.

1/14/2011 12:58:26 PM

two pages of people debating scout.com rankings.

jesus fucking christ.

1/14/2011 1:02:45 PM

I know it got derailed but I have had enough of the Lowe critics claiming we are one of the most talented teams in the nation. The facts don't back it up... We are less talented/ experienced than FSU but somehow we were a tourney "lock" unless Lowe fucked up .

1/14/2011 1:04:47 PM

Ian Miller is terrible, btw.

A PG that shoots 30% from the field, 8.7% assist rate, and 29.6% turnover rate. he's only a freshman, and only seeing like 12 minutes a game, but he's terrible.

^The talent gap between us and the UNC/Dukes of the world is MUCH smaller than it has been at any time in the Lowe era. We're probably the 3rd most talented team in the ACC, but we're definitely also the least experienced.

As far as our talent vs. FSU goes, we're more talented. They have more height but we're more talented.

1/14/2011 1:05:06 PM

Maybe Miller is terrible due to bad coaching? That is certainly what boozie/ bonermilker would say if he was performing like that here.

^It is the closest it has been but to hear boozie etc. you would think we were one of the most talented teams in the nation (comparisons to Kentucky come to mind ). The premise of my argument is if you look at the actual rankings many ACC teams aren't really that far behind us talent wise (FSU could easily be considered as talented for example).


[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 1:16 PM. Reason : dasdf]

1/14/2011 1:12:55 PM

Miller is a poor man's Larry Drew or Kendell Marshall. Enough said.

I don't know whether the stars back it up, but GT's around as talented as us, and more talented than FSU. But Hewitt is the worst coach in the ACC (except maybe vowels, but he's a first year at Wake so I'll leave him out of this... for now) and GT's young like us.

We're no Kentucky, but we're probably top 15-20 in talent

1/14/2011 1:17:00 PM

Keep rolling your eyes douchebag. Tree brought up Kentucky. All we are saying is that we are in the 2nd/3rd/4th ranks of ACC's best talent.

Quote :

"The facts don't back it up"

The facts (Ws/Ls) don't back up Lowe either.

Quote :

"The premise of my argument is if you look at the actual rankings many ACC teams aren't really that far behind us talent wise (FSU could easily be considered as talented for example)"

And? FSU finishes better than us yearly. We are struggling with the likes of UVA, Clemson, and BC which clearly by your beloved rankings, which you had to research for an hour because you didn't even know our own recruits, are ranked below us.

Quote :

"Maybe Miller is terrible due to bad coaching? "

Leonard Hamilton is far from a good coach. In fact he might be Lowe's ceiling. How sad is that?

1/14/2011 1:22:27 PM

Year 1: 20-16 overall, 5-11 ACC, excuse: First year on the job (fine, legit excuse)
Year 2: 15-16 overall, 4-12 ACC, excuse: Chemistry issues (players fucking other players girlfriends, etc)
Year 3: 16-14 overall, 6-10 ACC, excuse: No point guard
Year 4: 20-16 overall, 5-11 ACC, excuse: Lowe needs extreme talent to be successful
Year 5: 11-5 thus far, 1-1 ACC, preemptive excuse: Lowe needs extremely experienced talent to be successful (i.e. make the field of 68 teams)

Reality-> 21-45 ACC record, one of the worst ACC coaches in history.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 1:24 PM. Reason : []

1/14/2011 1:23:30 PM

Actually GT's talent (for once) is a little down. They have Shumpert but outside of that most of their big name talent is gone.

Quote :

" And? FSU finishes better than us yearly. We are struggling with the likes of UVA, Clemson, and BC which clearly by your beloved rankings, which you had to research for an hour because you didn't even know our own recruits, are ranked below us. "

This is the first year we have had a monster recruiting class under Lowe (Hickson was impressive but there were huge issues on that team referV). Yes Costner had talent he also was a head case and hurt/fat for everything but Lowe's first year.

Quote :

" Year 1: 20-16 overall, 5-11 ACC, excuse: First year on the job (fine, legit excuse)atsur dealing with injury most of the year Year 2: 15-16 overall, 4-12 ACC, excuse: Chemistry issues (players fucking other players girlfriends, etc)lost starting PG to injury Year 3: 16-14 overall, 6-10 ACC, excuse: No point guard Year 4: 20-16 overall, 5-11 ACC, excuse: Lowe needs extreme talent to be successfulLowe needs decent talent to be successful our elite talent was Smith and Horner Year 5: 11-5 thus far, 1-1 ACC, preemptive excuse: Lowe needs extremely experienced talent to be successful (i.e. make the field of 68 teams) 2 undefeated teams in the ACC so far so to be writing this season off is retarded "

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 1:32 PM. Reason : asdfad]

1/14/2011 1:24:16 PM

Don't you ever make rolly eyes at Dennis Horner.

1/14/2011 1:37:46 PM

Quote :

"That would definitely get him into the NCAA tourney. But seriously, looking ahead to the rest of the season: 3 games I'll consider gimmes: @WF GT @UVA Home games we'll probably win: Miami VT Clemson Other games we have a decent shot at in order of how likely we could win IMO: FSU @FSU UNC @Clemson Duke @UNC Games we'll almost certainly lose: @MD @Duke Probably end up doing something like going 3-0 in that first set, 2-1 in the next, 3-3, then 0-2 9-7 "

Post from a couple pages back. A disagree with a lot of this. First of all, no road ACC game is a gimmee. Second why do you think we'll beat VT at home? They have a star player and star players light us up like Christmas trees. We do not have a decent shot to beat Duke either time we play them. Also UNC will probably beat us both games, again not a decent shot to win. At best we go 2-4 in those six games you listed as "decent shot to win".

1/14/2011 1:38:34 PM

I wonder if a good coach would be able to exceed expectations (i.e. not finish in the bottom 1/4 of the ACC) regardless of all the excuses? Just a thought.

1/14/2011 1:39:40 PM

This is the ACC we're talking about. Down or not, we're still one of the best conferences in the country.

It takes all the right pieces to be successful here, ever.

1/14/2011 1:41:23 PM

WF is most definitely a gimme. UVA is banged up pretty bad right now, and at the point in the season we get them it favors us since we're such a young talented team (ideally we'd be hitting on all cylinders at the end of the season). We should win both of those games.

It's a home game, VT has been dealing with injuries and has been able very very beatable in the past if you could shut down one of their big three. Well, they're playing with like 1.5 of their big three and have lost a few guys for the season already (including Hudson).

We beat Duke last year, and Duke is downright terrible inside. If we play well we have a shot at beating them. UNC is also very beatable since they don't really have much polish

@Don Beebe (going to assume it's you since you have a similar posting style), year 1 our biggest problem was depth. year 2 it was lack of a PG (something you truly cannot fault Lowe for either). year 3 was still that lack of a PG and overall talent. year 4 still missed the pg, and started to get the right talent but the talent is young. year 5 we're young, but should still make the NCAA tourney.

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 1:52 PM. Reason : asf]

1/14/2011 1:48:08 PM

Quote :

"The NC State defense has been limiting opponents looks at the basket. In the ACC standings, NC State currently ranks third in the conference in field goal percentage defense, as opponents have shot 39.5 percent against the Pack this season. Only one opponent, Wisconsin at 50.0 percent, has shot at least 50.0 percent this season, and six of the 15 opponents have been over 40.0 percent. The Pack has also limited long range shots, as NC State ranks fourth in the ACC in three-point field goal percentage defense (.313)."

1/14/2011 3:06:32 PM

Spin it however you want, but you can't argue with the facts:

past 5 years
ACC Standings:
+-----+
|all ....|
|other.|
|teams|
| ...... |
+-----+
|NCSU|
+-----+

1/14/2011 3:13:03 PM

-----
Miami

here's another fact for you

the last 25 years:

+-----+
|UNC &|
|Duke |
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|.every|
|.one...|
|.else..|

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 3:16 PM. Reason : .]

1/14/2011 3:14:28 PM

here's another fact for you


+-----+
| This |
| is |
-------
|stupid|
| as |
| fuck |

1/14/2011 3:20:08 PM

Quote :

" TWO GAMES IN"

1/14/2011 3:23:06 PM

^^ lol.

^^^ Maryland got an NCAA title and Randolph Childress went bananas one year too. But yeah otherwise, UNC and Duke and the rest of the ACC is what the conference has been for two decades.

1/14/2011 3:33:09 PM

Everyone did a good job on their charts.

Well, bigego needs to work on his spacing, but overall very good

[Edited on January 14, 2011 at 3:45 PM. Reason : .]

1/14/2011 3:44:37 PM

Okay so duke lost @fsu but if we lose to fsu our season is over, lowe should be fired, we should cancel the remainder of our games.

This should be a gimme even though we will be 6-7 point underdogs!!!!

FSU is great defensively but I think tracy can get us buckets. I'm definitely worried about our perimeter guys getting swallowed though, we need howell to step up too.

Fsu shouldn't be able to score much on us, imthinking this Is a game in the mid 60's and it will be fairly ugly so look out, this thread will be a cess pool after the game win or lose

1/14/2011 4:06:38 PM

This thread is always a cesspool.

1/14/2011 4:08:45 PM

Sports Talk is better when ernie and twista are on opposite sides. The rest of you schmucks can't argue worth a shit.

1/14/2011 4:20:07 PM

whatever




nutsack

1/14/2011 4:32:49 PM

Quote :

"Richard Howell is fourth in the #ACC in efficiency per minute and plays 17 min a game"

Someone hook me up with the Packpride premium article on player efficiency

1/14/2011 6:01:07 PM

does efficiency mean anything per minute? (points, rebounds, assists)

1/14/2011 6:17:30 PM

Why wouldn't it?

1/14/2011 8:20:36 PM

Quote :

"does efficiency mean anything per minute? (points, rebounds, assists)"

No. efficiency per minute does though.

formula for NBA efficiency: ((Points + Rebounds + Assists + Steals + Blocks) - ((Field Goals Att. - Field Goals Made) + (Free Throws Att. - Free Throws Made) + Turnovers))

1/14/2011 9:21:49 PM

Geez... I was just checkin, I've never heard of the measurement before. I'm on your sides here

1/14/2011 9:54:57 PM

we need a new coach

1/14/2011 11:55:35 PM

give him a sedagive

1/14/2011 11:58:48 PM

lolol

1/15/2011 12:57:24 AM

1/15/2011 4:26:58 PM

This game is the Sidney Lowe era in a nutshell:

No defense
Terrible shot selection
Lack of effort
Weird Substitutions
Lack of Adjustments


Please try to defend this crap

1/15/2011 4:50:16 PM

Nah man Sidney is coaching good, it's just our players fucking up.

1/15/2011 4:52:04 PM

can we hold off on this thread until the game is over?

1/15/2011 4:52:29 PM

nope.

1/15/2011 5:18:13 PM

ADD TO MY TOPICS

1/15/2011 5:29:08 PM

DUNK THE BALL. Don't wait for the defense. You might even draw a foul if you go up strong

1/15/2011 5:32:34 PM

yes Sidney, DUNK THE BALL

1/15/2011 5:32:57 PM

the Sid bandwagon is gonna be pretty small soon

1/15/2011 5:33:37 PM

We are losing to a more talented (I proved it already in this thread) more experienced team on their home court and somehow it falls only on the coach?

1/15/2011 5:36:45 PM