the part that goes into the phone is reversible. so you don't have to find the front of it to plug it in.

9/12/2012 1:49:17 PM

gotcha. that makes a hell of a lot more sense. thanks.

posting to FB from Siri? That will end will.

9/12/2012 1:53:01 PM

Iphone 5

9/12/2012 1:58:30 PM

nope

9/12/2012 1:59:41 PM

Going to announce Apple's Pandora now.

9/12/2012 2:02:35 PM

iPod nano significant changes. I personally wouldn't buy one, but wasn't the coolest thing about the iPod nano the ability to make it into a watch? That seems be gone now.

9/12/2012 2:21:22 PM

yeah i liked the just-made-obsolete version of the nano better. it was basically a better version of the shuffle.

9/12/2012 2:23:47 PM

yep, no more smartwatch. go out and buy the current gen nanos, because retro-nerds are going to want them in about 10 years and pay high dollar for the ones in good condition.

9/12/2012 2:24:34 PM

That's weird, I wouldn't have considered buying the old nanos, but I almost want to buy one of the new ones. I'm gonna wait and see the price, and the hackability/OS on it, but if it's close to $100, it might just be in impulse buying territory the next time I'm in an Apple store.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 2:38 PM. Reason : eh, $149. Maybe if it's hackable.]

9/12/2012 2:34:26 PM

Possibly the best announcement so far is one about the iTunes redesign

9/12/2012 2:46:31 PM

i am underwhelmed and will definitely be buying the iphone 5.

seems contradictory right? fuck it

9/12/2012 2:51:06 PM

Apple website:

Quote :

""The iphone 5, the biggest thing to happen to iphone since iphone""

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 3:02 PM. Reason : s]

9/12/2012 3:01:31 PM

There was definitely nothing jaw dropping, but everything Seems well put together. It's near the top of my list for now, I will have to see what google has in store for the inevitable upcoming nexus and how Wp8 turns out before I buy anything though.

9/12/2012 3:03:04 PM

iAmdisappoint

9/12/2012 3:12:57 PM

Quote :

"i am underwhelmed and will definitely be buying the iphone 5. seems contradictory right? fuck it"

yep.

i think the initial iphone was truly revolutionary compared with what smartphones were at the time, and the first couple of iterations continued the wow factor as market penetration increased. At this point, we're really looking at incremental improvements rather than anything truly innovative, and that's where expectations should be.

9/12/2012 3:14:23 PM

store back up

HAHA OF COURSE the lightning adaptor is $30. oh apple, you cad.

9/12/2012 3:33:47 PM

seriously? Wow.

9/12/2012 3:57:34 PM

^^^Sometimes it is great implementation that's important more so than the general idea. Siri was truly innovative IMO, and that was a software change as well as a feature that others had before. But it was the first time I was talking to a computer and didn't feel like i was talking to a computer. It was a stark contrast to the Voice Control function, which was horrendous even by the non-apple standards. On the new phone, not very much to be super excited about hardware-wise. New features of OS6 is exciting, but 3GS and up will get most of the software update features (other than Siri for 3GS and 4). Turn-by-turn navigation looks promising, but mostly because it was sooo behind the bimes as compared to other OS and stand-alone navigators. I hope they blow it out of the park like they have done with Siri. Increase in data transfer and processing speed may allow for better apps though.

^^Adapter is poorly executed IMO. They should have made it wider and less tall (I assume they need the volume inside for A/D processing chips), and it should have mimicked the 4G iPhone shape on the bottom and possibly cradle the new iPhone on top, so it could fit into all the old peripherals.


[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 4:26 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2012 4:14:37 PM

Are you supposed to be Igor from Hugo House of Horrors?

9/12/2012 4:19:21 PM

Why, are you supposed to be from the Matrix?

9/12/2012 4:26:51 PM

Quote :

"I hope they blow it out of the park like they have done with Siri"

You must be using a different Siri than the rest of the world

9/12/2012 4:28:43 PM

yeah, Siri was-- in my mind-- mostly disappointing. the primary use case that I've found is using Siri to send texts while i'm driving.

9/12/2012 4:30:15 PM

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"Why, are you supposed to be from the Matrix? "

I came up with neodata in like 1995.

Igor is an iconic characters from the best Dos game ever. Hugo House of Horrors.

9/12/2012 4:32:06 PM

Quote :

"HAHA OF COURSE the lightning adaptor is $30. oh apple, you cad."

Eh, in 4 months you'll be able to get an 8 dollar cord from TJMaxx.

9/12/2012 4:38:07 PM

I'm pretty sure I beat any DOS games by at least five years But yeah I'm not from HoH, I'm from Ukraine and that's my name IRL.

^^I think it would have been better is if the processing was done onboard and only requested data if it needed soem new data to answer your question. Other than that, Siri worked very well when I had a chance to use it during a 2-weel long roadtrip on my friend's iPhone, it was pretty natural to talk to it. I have iPhone 4 so I dont use it day-to day.

9/12/2012 4:38:57 PM

Quote :

"Eh, in 4 months you'll be able to get an 8 dollar cord from TJMaxx."

You're assuming that Apple didn't include a proprietary chip inside each cable/adapter that would stop things like this from happening.

I have no idea why you would assume something like this.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 4:47 PM. Reason : Also, when did TJMaxx become the go to place when you think about buying cheap cables?]

9/12/2012 4:45:27 PM

Actually he is spot-on about TJ (and Marshall's, Ross etc) being the best place to buy discounted third-party peripherals for iStuff. I got iPad cover and a set of screen protectors couple weeks ago for less than 1/2 the price of the same exact brand stuff a priced by Best Buy. I also saw that they had a Memorex iPhone dock there for 1/2 of what I paid for the same exact model ON SALE in BB (albeit a few months ago)

But yeah the adapter should have an A/D converter chipset in it, because apparently the new dock connector is all-digital

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 4:58 PM. Reason : Chipset]

9/12/2012 4:56:11 PM

Quote :

"You're assuming that Apple didn't include a proprietary chip inside each cable/adapter that would stop things like this from happening. I have no idea why you would assume something like this. [Edited on September 12, 2012 at 4:47 PM. Reason : Also, when did TJMaxx become the go to place when you think about buying cheap cables?]"

TJMaxx usually has them available if you just want something cheap. And I assumed that Apple wouldn't do that because I consider Apple to be smarter than Sony.

Plus putting an expensive proprietary chip in the cable would murder all those third party dock manufacturers including the ones that Apple sells. Sure Apple could screw those guys over in order to make an extra few bucks but they didn't do so last time they upgraded the cord so I'm not inclined to think they'll do so now.

Could be wrong though, never underestimate greed.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 5:09 PM. Reason : .]

9/12/2012 5:08:35 PM

Quote :

"SAN FRANCISCO—With CEO Tim Cook stating that desperate customers would surely “line up like idiots” to purchase the offensive product anyway, Apple announced today the release of the company’s new iPhone 5, which features the word “nigger” boldly embossed on its back. “Sure, the new iPhone has the word ‘nigger’ printed right on it, but we all know you pathetic losers will still buy it in droves, because, hell, you’ll buy anything we put out,” Cook said in a press conference, describing the lightweight smartphone that will include a larger high-resolution display and have the racial slur printed in 36-point Helvetica font directly on its back, as well as on every accessory sold for the product. “Our technology ensures the word will brightly light up through whatever cover or sticker you may use in an attempt to obscure it, so don’t even try. You are all very stupid and sheeplike, and I will enjoy watching this play out.” Cook followed the iPhone 5 announcement with a brief preview of the company’s updated iPad, which will feature a loud, unchangeable ringtone of Roseanne Barr repeatedly yelling “faggot.”"

9/12/2012 5:13:55 PM

isn't the A6 chip kind of a big deal? that's faster than the ipad 3 right?

9/12/2012 5:43:27 PM

Quote :

"Plus putting an expensive proprietary chip in the cable would murder all those third party dock manufacturers including the ones that Apple sells."

Explain to me how Apple sells third party docks exactly?

And no, you're missing the point. It wouldn't murder third parties at all, it would just force them to pay an Apple tax in order to get the chips/codes whatever, and then pass that tax on to the end users. So instead of seeing $8 cables, you will see $20 ones at best. It's literally the exact same thing that they started doing with video out cables. You used to be able to buy them for $5 from dx.com, and then around iOS 3, Apple started requiring them to authenticate with a chip that only they provided at high cost, which means now the cheapest "official" AV out cable you can buy costs $30. It's basically a way to put a stop to cheap Chinese knockoff cables and make sure Apple gets a cut of everything you buy.

I don't know for sure that they have done this with the new cables, but it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest either way.

9/12/2012 5:46:20 PM

Have you been in one of their stores? Third party accessories all over the place.

Anyway, they may do that but I'm just not assuming it until its confirmed. I like to not assume the worst from the beginning, but then I've also learned to live with disappointment.

9/12/2012 5:54:56 PM

I generally think of Apple as a somewhat malevolent company, but I don't see them doing that.

9/12/2012 5:57:00 PM

Is there any reason to try to pre-order it at 12am PST? It's not like they will run out before normal hours right?

9/12/2012 6:52:19 PM

If Samsung were smart, they would include a free iPod dock converter with purchase of their phones.

9/12/2012 7:35:56 PM

Why are they calling it the iPhone 5???

That's so dumb! They should have called it 'the new iphone'

Isn't everyone else shocked they are calling it the iPhone 5?

Why did they make this decision?

They could have called it so many things, other than the iPhone 5. I don't understand why they are calling it the iPhone 5, instead of something else, like 'the new iPhone'.

9/12/2012 8:07:52 PM

how much does it cost full retail? All I can find is the upgrade price.

9/12/2012 8:11:53 PM

people still buy iPhones?

9/12/2012 8:19:27 PM

people still think it's cool to shit on iphones?

9/12/2012 8:25:31 PM

I'll buy one when my contract is up in Nov. I mean sure it isn't revolutionary like the original but I am still using the 4 and it works great. I am excited about it being taller, thinner, faster, and 4g capable. Those reasons alone are enough for me to get one.

9/12/2012 8:43:26 PM

jesus christ El Nacho is the worst in these threads haha

9/12/2012 8:49:29 PM

micro-usb would've been real nice

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2012/09/iphone_5_dock_connector_the_one_incredibly_irksome_feature_that_will_leave_you_cursing_apple_.2.html

9/12/2012 8:57:17 PM

haha indeed.

you would know something about being the worst, wouldn't ya, champ?

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 8:59 PM. Reason : have you ever contributed ANYTHING to one of these threads that wasn't a blatant troll job?]

9/12/2012 8:57:32 PM

Quote :

"micro-usb would've been real nice"

The only benefit would have been cheap cables that are already a standard for charging. But you would lose out on so much more. Here's a pretty in-depth article about why they didn't go with it. As much as it's gonna suck to shell out $30 for an extra cable, I do think the trade-off is worth it.

http://www.tuaw.com/2012/06/26/the-whys-and-wherefores-of-a-shrunken-dock-connector/

Quote :

"Why might Apple want to avoid micro-USB? Because charge and sync is about all micro-USB can do, on the face of it; the accessory support, line-level audio out, and video out features the current-day Dock connector sports aren't possible down a four-wire connector. There's a nascent standard called Mobile High-definition Link which can be used for video out but it's rather clumsy, involving three-tailed pass-through cables on existing Android phones. Note that, unlike with Apple's AV connector, the MHL adaptor cannot draw power from the handset and so has to be plugged into a USB charger to function. It's possible that Apple could address this by using a software layer to multiplex different data types on top of the USB connection, but that would require rather more complex controllers on either side to unpick the data again and do something sensible with it. In fact, something similar is already in place -- several car stereos, for example, connect to the Dock port via a USB cable, then retrieve music, track data, and other information from it. Multiplexing digital 1080p video streams is a harder problem, however, and even if Apple solves it, it still couldn't maintain backwards compatibility with existing Dock-equipped accessories."

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 9:05 PM. Reason : thanks for widening the thread with your longass link, btw.]

9/12/2012 9:04:54 PM

Maybe they're doing the Intel tick-tock thing.

By this time next year, iOS is going to be hurting VERY badly for a major software upgrade.

The hardware design of the phone seems pretty slick, but iOS is getting long in the tooth. It's paradigms were designed before people really knew how to design UIs on high powered multitouch UIs.

9/12/2012 9:15:59 PM

^^did I hurt your feelings, I was sharing an article that had interesting points about the new dock connector which is a big inconvenience for some people who dont want to throw away old accessories. it's not even USB 3.0 or thunderbolt...

9/12/2012 9:28:42 PM

i've never gotten the hate for the dock connector.

Most households have an Apple device already, so if you need to charge you phone at a friend's place, it's pretty easy.

And it does way more than a regular old USB connector as has already been pointed out.

9/12/2012 9:36:01 PM

^^why would you think that hurt my feelings? You posted an article, and I posted a different one that brought up another viewpoint and reasons why micro-usb wouldn't be the best idea.

Don't take it so personal bro, it's just the internet. It doesn't have to be so serious. And everyone with an opposing viewpoint doesn't have to be pissed off.

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 9:44 PM. Reason : it is mildy incovienent that you widened the thread though. ]

9/12/2012 9:37:58 PM

Quote :

"There's a nascent standard called Mobile High-definition Link which can be used for video out but it's rather clumsy, involving three-tailed pass-through cables on existing Android phones. Note that, unlike with Apple's AV connector, the MHL adaptor cannot draw power from the handset and so has to be plugged into a USB charger to function."

If you're that whiny about MHL and its connections, use a damn app over wifi to your smart TV/blu-ray player. 1080p through MHL looks wonderful (galaxy s2)

and lol I was going to comment something as a joke, but it seems that it's real!
http://www.zdnet.com/samsung-to-sue-apple-over-4g-lte-in-iphone-5-7000004015/

[Edited on September 12, 2012 at 9:43 PM. Reason : ]

9/12/2012 9:39:37 PM

microUSB is universal, not everyone I know has an iphone and wants to $$$ for a $2 connector.

Aside from that, the phone has some really nice qualities (bigger screen, lighter, faster, LTE) and is worth the money. I guess innovation in the smartphone space is declining and cool, new features will be harder to come by.

I really hope Apple could come out with something cool in the tv space, I'd love to get rid of my TWC cable box and replace it with a cool Apple set top box...

9/12/2012 9:52:24 PM