For $5 you can enter a raffle at andy's for season tickets to unc fooball and basketball. The raffle box was empty.

8/9/2012 10:24:16 PM

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"great"

Judge Manning's background is really irrelevant. Probably half of the attorneys and judges in this state went to Carolina. Manning is fair, and this seems to be a fair way to do it, let the attorneys decide, not Butch.

8/9/2012 10:27:26 PM

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"His decision allows media lawyers to review those billing records to identify university-related calls."

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"Manning’s decision identifies “Coach Davis’ private calling records for non-public/job related calls” as needing to be protected."

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"Amanda Martin, an attorney representing the media, said the decision is “a bit hard to decipher” on that point, but she thinks ultimately the business-related calls will be made public."

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"Manning also said other records held by UNC-CH related to impermissible benefits received by athletes should be released if they do not involve academic matters...The decision means UNC-CH records in which football players were found by the NCAA to have received impermissible benefits such as money and gifts are public"

why anyone is bitching is beyond me

[Edited on August 9, 2012 at 11:40 PM. Reason : i am mad at all you idiots gettin all SFN up in here]

8/9/2012 11:37:38 PM

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"it's still a very questionable conflict of interest."

I find it to be very insulting to the judge's sense of professionalism that morons on the internet don't think a guy can separate where he graduated from 47 years ago to him making a judgement on law. I'm a PE, am I supposed to recuse myself on anything given to me by a State grad?

[Edited on August 9, 2012 at 11:39 PM. Reason : .]

8/9/2012 11:37:52 PM

you don't know much about political cronyism. it isn't tinfoil hat to suggest that this guy just might have some bias in this case (he very well may not.. i simply think it is poor taste that someone of his background is making these decisions, and he has a lot of connection to uncch)

[Edited on August 10, 2012 at 12:06 AM. Reason : ]

8/10/2012 12:06:00 AM

He's the Judge appointed to this case. He's made a fair decision. It's not against the rules of professional conduct for him to take this case. Dozens of Judges in superior court would have the same conflict, if you can even call it a conflict. I don't know what you're complaining about. It's like saying a Judge with a police background can't preside over a criminal case.

8/10/2012 8:00:43 AM

Well it's nice to see the records will be released in some format. The quick mentions on the radio, and even the talk yesterday afternoon on 99.9 was that the records simply wouldn't be turned over... which would have been a lovely precedent for all coaches to start using "personal" phones to conduct all their rule bending/breaking affairs.

Edit: Surprised it was being reported yesterday without so much as one mention as to how the records were being released. Simply, Judge: No records for you!

[Edited on August 10, 2012 at 8:52 AM. Reason : -]

8/10/2012 8:51:04 AM

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"It's like saying a Judge with a police background can't preside over a criminal case."

It's not even remotely like that.

8/10/2012 9:45:55 AM

You're right. It's more of a conflict for the prior police officer to preside over a criminal case where his previous coworkers will testify, than a Judge to preside over a case that features a prior employee of his alma mater.

8/10/2012 10:58:39 AM

It's not even remotely like that.

8/10/2012 11:00:05 AM

So where is the conflict? I think you guys are being unreasonable. I hate UNC just as much as any other rabid State fan, but objectively, Judge Manning has no conflict in this case.

[Edited on August 10, 2012 at 11:02 AM. Reason : But I guess there's a conflict in my opinion, since I went to Carolina Law and all that.]

8/10/2012 11:01:11 AM

I think this would only be a conflict of interest if the guy was a booster.

Just because he graduated from there doesn't mean shit.

8/10/2012 11:10:15 AM

I don't think there's a conflict of interest either. I was just pointing out that your analogy was bullshit.

8/10/2012 11:12:13 AM

That was the point. It was a bullshit analogy to point out the ridiculousness of thinking there's a conflict here.

8/10/2012 11:13:15 AM

There MAY be a conflict of interest. He went to Carolina for undergrad and grad school, and has been given an award from them. He MAY be more favorable to them than other schools. I think the only question is, why not have a more unbiased judge preside over it, if there is that chance.

8/10/2012 11:37:37 AM

Ooh goddammit stop it.

I am the biggest conspiracy theorist around and even I don't think the dude is biased.

[Edited on August 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM. Reason : I mean I think jfk was shot by the aliens from roswell, who also faked the moon landing.]

8/10/2012 12:05:30 PM

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"Judge Manning's background is really irrelevant. Probably half of the attorneys and judges in this state went to Carolina. Manning is fair, and this seems to be a fair way to do it, let the attorneys decide, not Butch."

No, the fair way is to follow the law: if you make even one phone call related to gov't business on a personal phone, then the entirety of the phone records are now public record. Anyone else who doesn't have the cash from UNC to back him up in lawyers would have to release everything. Butch should be no different.

Being a lawyer, maybe you can clear it up: does the law, itself, say that only gov't-related calls are considered "public records", or does it say that the whole phone record is now a public record?

I don't see how any of the other numbers on Butch's phone records "need to be protected." I recognize the high-profile nature of some of the people he's called, but Butch made the decision to effectively release those numbers the moment he made a business-related call on his personal phone. That's how it should be. The gov't isn't causing the release of those numbers, Butch is. That's the point of the law in the first place! It's to discourage use of personal phones for public business because of the problem of then separating the two should the need arise. The law says "it's all a public record if you use it", and that's damned sensible. If the release of those other numbers causes people some trouble, then they should sue Butch Davis for causing them to be released, because he KNEW his actions would cause that. That's why he was given a gov't phone to use for gov't business.

8/10/2012 2:26:40 PM

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"I find it to be very insulting to the judge's sense of professionalism that morons on the internet don't think a guy can separate where he graduated from 47 years ago to him making a judgement on law."

this.

a million trillion times this.

8/10/2012 2:56:59 PM

I'm not picking a side in this shit debate, but I will say you'd have to be the most naive person on the planet to think judges don't often make decisions based on politics, biases, etc...

8/10/2012 3:01:51 PM

How about he releases the entire record, but they substitute the (verified) name instead of the phone number for the ones he wants redacted. That would in theory make everyone happy - no public, high profile numbers but his call log is presented.

It's not like the actual numbers are the huge factor for the record.

8/10/2012 3:05:03 PM

^ I would be down with that if he provided a list of actual names that he wanted redacted that could be argued over in court. Let the phone company provide the actual verified names of the people he called, and supply fake-but-real-sounding names for the pre-defined list of excluded names. that works for me.

8/10/2012 3:12:46 PM

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"Being a lawyer, maybe you can clear it up: does the law, itself, say that only gov't-related calls are considered "public records", or does it say that the whole phone record is now a public record?"

Just the calls. The phone is still personal. It's different from using a public email address or a public phone, since ALL of those are public record. You don't lose privacy from your personal means of communication by nature of being a publicly paid employee.

It'll amount to the same thing in the end, we'll see all the records people care about, and the 10 calls to his wife/mom/daughter/tutor won't get in the way.

^The phone company won't do that, they won't give you names. They're a bunch of bitches, really, even under subpoena.

[Edited on August 10, 2012 at 3:14 PM. Reason : ]

8/10/2012 3:13:47 PM

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" e 10 calls to his wife/mom/daughter/tutor won't get in the way."

Oh I bet he made more than 10 calls to the tutor.

(also some brettfavredickpix)

8/10/2012 3:27:54 PM

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"Just the calls. The phone is still personal. It's different from using a public email address or a public phone, since ALL of those are public record. You don't lose privacy from your personal means of communication by nature of being a publicly paid employee."

I might not have been clear. Which calls? Just the gov't-business-related ones, or ALL of them?

8/10/2012 3:45:44 PM

Sorry, just public-business related calls. Not personal calls.

That said, you can't skirt the records requirement of the public open book by doing your dirty work on your personal cell. That's why the Judge is allowing them to hash this one out, instead of outright approving the motion for protective order.

[Edited on August 10, 2012 at 3:49 PM. Reason : ]

8/10/2012 3:48:26 PM

so, stupid question, but how do they determine if a call was "personal" or not? Seems like someone could just say "everything was personal" and that would be that, right?

8/10/2012 3:52:06 PM

This is how I would think it's done, but really, it's up to the lawyers to work it out:
The lawyers get a copy of the list, and they run it against a check for known numbers. They exclude a list of friends, family, etc. that are obviously personal. They run against a list of known numbers that are obviously business related. The ones left over that are "unknown" they have some poor intern cull out one by one until they find out if it's the dentist office, or someone business related. The two sides would then compare their results, and squabble about their disagreements until they come to a conclusion on each phone number or the judge decides.

Or, they could all sit around a round table and do it together, but I find this less likely.

ETA- as a side note, I've been there before, charged with sorting through months of phone records. TWC was by far the easiest, because you could subpoena an excel spreadsheet. AT&T would only give pdfs.

[Edited on August 10, 2012 at 4:01 PM. Reason : ]

8/10/2012 3:57:19 PM

Anyone trying to make claims of Manning being a homer obviously hasn't taken the time to read some of his statements. He seems pretty pissed at UNC and Butch's attempts to evade.

"“is reasonable and certainly cost-effective considering the gallons of white-out used by UNC and its lawyers.”"

" I have read the Governor Ritter decision of the Supreme Court of
Colorado and with all due respect for that Court, do not believe that
our government officials, including University officials and coaches,
are entitled to use the personal cell phone "dodge" to evade the
North Carolina Public Records law. If Chancellors of the UNC
system are doing this thinking that they can avoid public scrutiny of
their cell phone records by using their personal cell phones to
conduct public business, they need to re-think their decision.
"

8/10/2012 7:16:54 PM

Will someone just send me an IM when the bball team gets in hot water? Really. Who gives a fuck if the fball team gets in trouble. I mean the unc folks don't even give a shit if the fball team gets punished.

8/10/2012 8:57:08 PM

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/08/10/3447479/unc-reluctant-to-dig-deeper-on.html

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8/11/2012 10:50:42 AM

Give Dan Kane a Pulitzer.

8/11/2012 11:06:36 AM

look, they had to make sure the computer program worked for athletes, too, so they threw in a typical athlete's transcript just for good measure. Given that you don't have to do your own original work over there, it's not surprising that whoever was preparing the test cases just copied someone else's work and presented it as his own

8/11/2012 11:08:28 AM

”test transcript” lol

They're really grasping at straws now.

8/11/2012 11:09:04 AM

Man UNC is really getting away with one. You'd think the BoG would step up with as much academic fraud that has gone on over there. This is some seriously major stuff but the people in charge act like it's no biggie. Affects eligibility, graduation rates, everything, yet... crickets.

Any other school would be dead and buried by now.

8/11/2012 12:06:12 PM

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"My sense of it, and it’s only a sense,” he said, “is that they really want to keep this episode to the Butch Davis era, and conveniently also confined to the football team"

[Edited on August 11, 2012 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

8/11/2012 4:15:05 PM

There are tons of rednecks currently trying to enroll in AA studies.

8/11/2012 9:07:44 PM

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"The 2001 test transcript lists grades and an SAT score for what would presumably be a fictional student. That student has an SAT score of 870, well below the 1230 average SAT score for UNC-CH students back then, and is entering his senior year with a grade-point-average just over 2.0."

has PackPride researched UNC's football players from I guess like 97-01 to determine who this player actually is?

8/12/2012 1:53:22 AM

8/12/2012 4:13:07 AM

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"Man UNC is really getting away with one. You'd think the BoG would step up with as much academic fraud that has gone on over there. This is some seriously major stuff but the people in charge act like it's no biggie. Affects eligibility, graduation rates, everything, yet... crickets. "

You need to see how many people are on the BOG, then you need to see how many either went to UNC undergrad or UNC law. 35/21. I think NCSU has several there. Then every other school has one or two. Several overlap. Point is, UNC runs the BOG, they run the ACC office and not only was Manning a UNC grad, I think he's in the ram's club. As in, his donations are probably going to buyouts of Davis, Blake, Baddour, etc. Not getting into this any deeper, but UNC has about as much control over their little "review" as any one school can possibly have. I mean they admitted they had courses with "no classroom, no syllabus, and no professor."

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"Any other school would be dead and buried by now. "

Uh, we were in 1990, and the most the NCAA had on us was that players were selling comp shoes/tickets and that some athletes were receiving incompletes instead of failing grades. Not the players receiving A's with no teacher, syllabus, or classroom, but simply an incomplete. And that was hearsay.

8/12/2012 9:03:50 PM

Lol these people are RUTHLESS

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=178&f=2515&t=9224321&p=1

8/12/2012 10:14:11 PM

Give Pack Pride a Pulitzer.

8/12/2012 10:21:52 PM

What`s up with the pic of Julius Peppers being posted ar 4am last night?

8/12/2012 10:35:41 PM

See ^^^

8/12/2012 10:44:47 PM

Ya, that thread started 3 hours ago

8/12/2012 10:50:32 PM

probably just a guess (potentially correct) guess by tower based on it being a 2001 transcript, and Peppers being the biggest name player they had in that era

and of course he played on the basketball team as well

8/12/2012 11:18:19 PM

the thought process was pretty simple

julius peppers always sounded like a dumbass

the panthers took him in like 02 right? google--->yep, left unc in 01.

further googling revealed his academic advisor at unc was carl carey, his current agent, who also taught an obvious joke african-american seminar at unc at the time

there was also suspiciously no mention of his major on the internet except that he was in Communications as a sophomore on a basketball program

at that point I got bored and just posted the picture

8/12/2012 11:39:48 PM

Julius peppers related tweets need a #BoycottDaSchoooo

8/12/2012 11:43:17 PM

have the sleuths at pp also uncovered ronald curry's transcipt?

ryan sims' wouldnt hurt either. that was my other, more boring, guess

8/12/2012 11:47:33 PM

apparently they couldnt help themselves, here's another copy of his transcript: https://www.unc.edu/sis/fsguest/fscomp.html

https://www.unc.edu/sis/fsguest/fsgrades.html
https://www.unc.edu/sis/fsguest/fsstuinfo.html - "Semester Standing Acad Inelig Pending "
https://www.unc.edu/sis/fsguest/fstrans.html
https://www.unc.edu/sis/fsguest/fswhatcomp.html
https://www.unc.edu/sis/fsguest/fswhatif.html - "what if we created more fake classes to get him eligible"


[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 12:20 AM. Reason : /]

8/13/2012 12:13:11 AM

Mark Armstrong ?@ArmstrongWTVD
This is mindboggling stupidity RT @DukeHoopBlog: So, UNC has Juilus Peppers' transcript on their public website https://www.unc.edu/sis/fsguest/fssumalpha.html

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 12:31 AM. Reason : ]

8/13/2012 12:30:43 AM