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"but if we won all our road games we'd be a top 10 team. don't read into that, i'm not saying we should expect to lose them all, just that it's not unusual for any team to lose a few games on the road. "

What's Sid's record on the road in the ACC now.... like 6-29 or something? (They showed it last game, forget what it was but 6-29 wasn't far off)

1/15/2011 6:13:25 PM

a little bit of perspective

NC State: 1-2 ACC record

Home record 1-0, win over #12 Wake Forest

Road record 0-2, losses to #1 BC and #3 FSU

1/15/2011 6:14:02 PM

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"don't read into that, i'm not saying we should expect to lose them all, just that it's not unusual for any team to lose a few games on the road."

1/15/2011 6:14:04 PM

^^^

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"Lowe has 6 ACC road wins in 34 games"

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:17 PM. Reason : So 6-28 now. Right on par with his NBA %]

1/15/2011 6:15:34 PM

missed layups, dumb shots, turnovers, lazy defense, poor effort, lack of focus, etc... are ALL 100% on the players


the same shit 5 years in a row with different players and no sign of improvement is 100% on the coach

1/15/2011 6:16:07 PM

If Lowe goes at the end of the season though, how good of a coach do you think we'll be able to pull in? I mean, there isn't that much of a recent legacy to work with. At this point, I can't see Leslie going to the NBA with the looming lockout and his draft stock going down due to him not being as developed as though. That could be a big draw.

1/15/2011 6:16:39 PM

i'll agree with the haters that that road record should be better. to compete in any league you need to win games on the road.

1/15/2011 6:16:52 PM

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"We blow a lead to BC, BC had more talent."

I never said that Nice to see you continuing to LIE.

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" gibson, their only true center with any experience entering the year, is out injured. amazing how FSU hasn't fallen apart without him"

They started 2 sophomores 2 juniors and a senior tonight (maybe it 1 sophomore suffice it to say they started 0 freshmen). I think they have plenty of experience on the court.

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:19 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/15/2011 6:17:15 PM

LOL you are right. FSU had one more 4/5* player than us today.

We should have been expected to get blown out.

FACTS:

1-6 vs RPI top 100

21-46 in ACC

6-28 on the road in ACC play

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:20 PM. Reason : FACTS]

1/15/2011 6:19:04 PM

Its as if some of you have never have never seen on TV what a well coached team looks like.

1/15/2011 6:20:12 PM

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"If Lowe goes at the end of the season though, how good of a coach do you think we'll be able to pull in? I mean, there isn't that much of a recent legacy to work with. At this point, I can't see Leslie going to the NBA with the looming lockout and his draft stock going down due to him not being as developed as though. That could be a big draw."

We can never get anyone to move up from a good mid major for a shot at the ACC. There are no ambitious coaches out there. Also, developing Leslie to be a better prospect is a bigger concern than looking like a team that's being rebuilt from nothing in a coach's 5 year. Better stick with Lowe.

1/15/2011 6:22:08 PM

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"1-6 vs RPI top 100"

curious as to what our record is this year against teams from 26-50 or 51-100

your fact makes it sound like we've lost to a bunch of teams in the 80s and 90s

1/15/2011 6:22:13 PM

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"curious as to what our record is this year against teams from 26-50 or 51-100"

It doesn't take much knowledge to know that we either have 1 or 0 wins against those groupings.

You're either trolling or you probably flunked out of Wake Tech.

1/15/2011 6:23:43 PM

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"Its as if some of you have never have never seen on TV what a well coached team looks like."

that's what I don't get. watch Virginia play. with Mike Scott out they have barely any talent but you still see very effective offense and defense. they outplayed duke for about 30 minutes today before they ran out of steam, but their guys still get after it on every single play. night and day from watching a Sidney Lowe coached team. and Bennett is only in year 2.

1/15/2011 6:23:57 PM

^^i'm more concerned with how many losses we have to those teams, since record is wins AND losses, not just wins

it doesnt take much knowledge to know that teams like Syracuse and Georgetown aren't exactly cupcakes just barely inside the top 100


[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:27 PM. Reason : oooooooooooooooo OOOOOOOOOOOOOO PACK PACK PACK PACK]]

1/15/2011 6:24:02 PM

i feel bad for lowe because i do believe he tries to coach

some guys don't even try. like al skinner completely checked out 3 years before he got fired. even hamilton is pretty lazy. dude just puts all of his focus on recruiting tall athletic guys and having them win by playing tough D. he doesnt even talk during timeouts...he lets the assistants do that

but it doesnt matter how much you want something. if you cant perform you have to go. it doesnt need to be ugly, it's just business

1/15/2011 6:24:13 PM

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"1-6 vs RPI top 100 21-46 in ACC 6-28 on the road in ACC play "

Label that shit, because the second two are career, and the first is just this season.

1/15/2011 6:24:24 PM

ya'll just wait till tracy comes back. It's gon be on, then

1/15/2011 6:24:58 PM

i'm lazy. what was Sid's NBA record?

1/15/2011 6:25:04 PM

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"that's what I don't get. watch Virginia play. with Mike Scott out they have barely any talent but you still see very effective offense and defense. they outplayed duke for about 30 minutes today before they ran out of steam, but their guys still get after it on every single play. night and day from watching a Sidney Lowe coached team. and Bennett is only in year 2."

i guaran-goddamn-tee you folks would be wanting to fire his ass for "blowing it" and having a team that "only pays for 30 minutes" too. oh yeah, and they are 1-2 in the ACC. i know you guys would love that.

the grass is always greener, isn't it?

1/15/2011 6:25:40 PM

79-228 25.7%

1/15/2011 6:26:37 PM

you want to talk about a team being not talented enough, look no further than his NBA teams

1/15/2011 6:26:57 PM

i dont want us to hire a tony bennett clone.

1/15/2011 6:27:19 PM

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"i guaran-goddamn-tee you folks would be wanting to fire his ass for "blowing it" and having a team that "only pays for 30 minutes" too. the grass is always greener, isn't it?"

Don't forget having a boring offense that isn't fast paced enough.

1/15/2011 6:27:26 PM

um, no. not if the team had some sort of identity and it was clear that they were well-coached but undermanned.

our team has talent, but has absolutely no identity (offensively or defensively) and are way under-coached. it's obvious when you watch them play. just as it is obvious when watching Virginia play that they are very well coached.

their best player from last year left and their best player from this year is out for the season. but they still are competing and look competent doing it. huge fucking difference from watching us play.

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:29 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2011 6:28:08 PM

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"i guaran-goddamn-tee you folks would be wanting to fire his ass for "blowing it" and having a team that "only pays for 30 minutes" too. the grass is always greener, isn't it? "

Pretty sure effort by an undermanned team is a good thing in year 2.

Year 5, not so much

1/15/2011 6:28:35 PM

^^so if we lost, but looked more cohesive you'd be ok with it? sure, i believe that.

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:29 PM. Reason : l]

1/15/2011 6:28:51 PM

FACTS:

This season:

1-6 vs RPI top 100

Career:

21-46 in ACC

6-28 on the road in ACC play

79-228 NBA record

^^And I'll bet your bottom dollar that Bennett is gone if his team is barely scraping the NIT by year five

1/15/2011 6:30:38 PM

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"Pretty sure effort by an undermanned team is a good thing in year 2. "

This thread started at the end of year 1...

1/15/2011 6:31:05 PM

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"curious as to what our record is this year against teams from 26-50 or 51-100 your fact makes it sound like we've lost to a bunch of teams in the 80s and 90s"

1/15/2011 6:31:07 PM

Hey what if we got the guy from UCF or Gregg Marshall?

Wait, that's right, NC State is literally as attractive a job to mid majors as NC A&T because we look like shit right now and for some reason I can't say "see ya" to some dumpy alum.

We have the most fucking petulant fans. They don't want success unless they can get Rick Barnes or reanimated Jim Valvano or Phil Jackson.



[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:33 PM. Reason : a]

1/15/2011 6:32:04 PM

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"This season: Career: "

Better, although I'm not sure his NBA record is at all relevant.

1/15/2011 6:32:19 PM

^^ with a second year coach and key injuries? I wouldn't be happy about losing but they are a program that is trending upwards

we are so far in the toilet we can't trend any farther downwards (well, we aren't as bad as Wake. so there's that)

I also see you haven't made any counter arguments. when you watch us play do you see a well-coached team?

1/15/2011 6:32:27 PM

some possessions and stretches i see a well coached team, others not so much

do you Lowe haters never see a well coached team?

1/15/2011 6:33:17 PM

Much of our problems are due to freshmen being freshmen. Most of the mental errors and cohesion problems will work themselves out with experience.

The 5 year span of little to no defensive intensity, little to no offensive movement/efficiency and shot creation, little to no vocal leadership, and poor guard play has got worry even the biggest Lowe supporter.

I'm not flaming about this loss....I'm just pissed that in 5 years we've still people making excuses as to why we can't field a team with any emotion or defensive skills

1/15/2011 6:33:39 PM

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"do you Lowe haters never see a well coached team?"

Not with Sidney involved.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=178&f=2515&t=7054103

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:38 PM. Reason : wait you said never...I'm confused]

1/15/2011 6:34:47 PM

sometimes i do, sometimes i don't.

i mostly see youth in our team's performance. i see a lot of missed shots (good shots that don't fall), and some bad shot selection. i see mental errors and i see flashes of genius.

i'm just waiting for it all to come together.

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"tschudi All American 6138 Posts user info edit post ^^ with a second year coach and key injuries? I wouldn't be happy about losing but they are a program that is trending upwards we are so far in the toilet we can't trend any farther downwards (well, we aren't as bad as Wake. so there's that) I also see you haven't made any counter arguments. when you watch us play do you see a well-coached team? 1/15/2011 6:32:27 PM TreeTwista10 TreeTwista10/20/2010 92824 Posts user info edit post some possessions and stretches i see a well coached team, others not so much do you Lowe haters never see a well coached team? 1/15/2011 6:33:17 PM"

this is it. it's black and white with you guys. if they aren't ALWAYS perfect, then the team is ALWAYS shit.

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:37 PM. Reason : Tree's got it.]

1/15/2011 6:36:01 PM

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"some possessions and stretches i see a well coached team, others not so much do you Lowe haters never see a well coached team?"

How often do we have to look badly coached to make you say "you know what, this guy's not cut out to be a head coach in college"

Is there like a Tree threshold? Is it like 15% or something? As long as we look competent at least 15% of the time?

1/15/2011 6:36:27 PM

i think the problem is Lowe doesn't play enough loud rockin rap songs

he needs to get the team pumped up

1/15/2011 6:37:14 PM

he claps too much and he's always distracting our players with instructions.

1/15/2011 6:37:57 PM

So how long do we wait for it to come together? Til Harrow, Leslie, et al are seniors?

1/15/2011 6:39:28 PM

NO. but at least give them a fucking season.

1/15/2011 6:39:51 PM

how about until Harrow, Leslie and Brown finish their freshman years? That would be a start

1/15/2011 6:39:56 PM

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"do you Lowe haters never see a well coached team? "

Not really.

We beat scrub teams that are less talented with us and get blown out by teams with comparable talent who actually play hardnosed defense and hustle to the ball.

I'm not saying Lowe doesn't do ANYTHING right, but I am saying I've never seen a Lowe team just play 40 minutes of intense defense or really get into a good sustained offensive rhythm vs a decent defensive team.

We just have no identity, IMO. Even Herb's early teams were completely undermanned, but they were scrappy as hell and just hound the shit out of other teams defensively. I didn't like Herb at all, but at least his players were taught fundamentals not named rebounding


[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:42 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2011 6:40:01 PM

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"I've never seen a Lowe team just play 60 minutes"

agreed...Clemson was 55 minutes but iirc we havent had a 4-OT game in the last 4.5 years

1/15/2011 6:40:55 PM

sorry, no, I don't see a well-coached team at all when I watch us play. the defense is pathetic 90% of the time and there is no movement in our offense.

I still keep going back to the fact that we have drawn two charges all year. that is just embarassing.

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"We just have no identity, IMO. "

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:42 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2011 6:41:21 PM

what's happened to Brown? with all of those early season double digit games, I thought he'd be a stud by this point in the season.

1/15/2011 6:41:48 PM

^^^ Lol, pwnt

phixed

[Edited on January 15, 2011 at 6:42 PM. Reason : ]

1/15/2011 6:41:53 PM

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"I'm not saying Lowe doesn't do ANYTHING right, but I am saying I've never seen a Lowe team just play 60 minutes of intense defense or really get into a good sustained offensive rhythm vs a decent defensive team. "

Duke last year? FSU last year?

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" how about until Harrow, Leslie and Brown finish their freshman years? That would be a start"

ding ding ding we have a winner...

1/15/2011 6:42:45 PM

we beat FSU last year because Scott Wood made like 37 3's from all over the court

1/15/2011 6:44:04 PM