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4/21/2004 1:10:18 PM

Do you have the courage to face the truth?

Alex Jones' video 9-11: THE ROAD TO TYRANNY:

----->http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/the_road_to_tyranny__34kbps_.rm<----

quote:

"The mainstream media is whitewashing and lying about what really happened on Sept
11th. 911: The Road to Tyranny is shaking the foundations of Washington, DC as
the definitive film on what really happened on Sept. 11th and who stands to gain."



[Edited on April 21, 2004 at 1:15 PM. Reason : ..]

4/21/2004 1:13:12 PM

Salisburry, does it really matter whether or not our government was behind 9/11? I mean, they were at least partially responsible in any case, and it's not like another 3000 murders can possibly tarnish our government any more. Government is by its very nature tarnished.

4/21/2004 1:17:19 PM

Quote :

"No, I have the balls. It's called time management. I don't want to waste my time with the real trolls around here. I've got more important things to do than humor people who want to merely bagger and distract me and ask me silly questions. "

Then please answer my very sincere and very legitimate questions as posted above by B4K4. You know damn well that I don't troll. Don't be scurred.

Quote :

"Do you have the courage to face the truth?"

Its pretty obvious that you lack this courage. You can't even address very simple questions.

[Edited on April 21, 2004 at 1:25 PM. Reason : .]

4/21/2004 1:24:21 PM

In case you missed this from the bottom of the previoius page...

Caller on Howard Stern Show confirms Shootdown of Flight 93:

link below has the audio...

source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2004/042104flight93.htm

quote:

"Eyewitness Confirms Shootdown of Flight 93

Howard Stern Show
April 21 2004

A caller to the Howard Stern Show related the story of how he saw Flight 93 in flames
while it was in the air and two other aircraft circling it.

Please understand that we do not advocate the usual content of Stern's show, but this
is interesting nonetheless."

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I think I'll provide a similar disclaimer...

Please understand that I do not advocate the usual content of Stern's show, but this is
interesting nonetheless.

4/21/2004 1:25:55 PM

Quote :

"No, I have the balls. It's called time management. I don't want to waste my time with the real trolls around here. I've got more important things to do than humor people who want to merely bagger and distract me and ask me silly questions. "

Then please answer my very sincere and very legitimate questions as posted above by B4K4. You know damn well that I don't troll. Don't be scurred.

Quote :

"Do you have the courage to face the truth?"

Its pretty obvious that you lack this courage. You can't even address very simple questions.

4/21/2004 1:30:14 PM

Good then you won't mind answering the following sincere and as of yet unadressed questions:

It can't be a missile in the video. The warhead of cruise missiles are just barely behind the tip of the cone like here:



If that had been a missile then that nose cone would no longer exist and the several feet behind it wouldn't exist because thats wear the warhead sits in the missile.

Quote :

"It is a clue to the holograms used in this operation."

Watch that .wmv that you posted and you can see the impact of the wings. Lines of smoke and building damage at a diagonal just like the wings of the airplane were (at roughly 45 degree angles above and below the point of impact). A cruise missile is not capable of this becuase it doesnt have anything close to that sort of wingspan and a "hologram" most certainly isn't capable of causing damage where its image is. You just showed proof that it was in fact a plane.

Quote :

"Pentagon officials cancel flights for Sept. 11th on Sept. 10th, 2001 (MSNBC article): --> see 5th paragraph from the bottom"

Why would they cancel their flights if there weren't any planes hijacked, I mean we used cruise missiles and fight jets for the attacks didn't we?

4/21/2004 1:30:53 PM

was it not salisburyboy who, somewhere on previous pages, said that after a period of time people start developing an alternate sense of events that took place and therefore think that what actually happenened in their mind is in fact what really did happen?..especially when it comes to eyewitness accounts. for example, in recollection right after the event took place a person would give facts of what he/she remembers happening. but if asked the same question of what happened 3 years later, that same exact person would give differing details and would say things that were not originally said. i coulda sworn salisbury said that, can't find it though.

but my point is this, the person callin the howard stern show (not even gonna say anything to that) gave an account of what happened years ago. now in that time period, that person has read/watched/learned about all different kinds of theories being presented and in his mind what he has seen has subconsciously deformed the real events that took place. so instead he believes he DID see the airplane on fire or whatever but most likely never did to begin with.

( i am not going through all these damn pages to find it. but i could have sworn it was salis who said the 1st paragraph statements)


[Edited on April 21, 2004 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

4/21/2004 1:38:57 PM

I don't believe I ever posted anything like that, brianj320

Although I will say now...it is clear that a persons' memory deteriorates over time, but
it is possible for people to correctly remember certain events, especially events of
great magnitude...events that stand out.

[Edited on April 21, 2004 at 1:47 PM. Reason : ..]

4/21/2004 1:40:30 PM

:Clap clap clap:

salisburyboy has finally said something intelligent! How about ending this conversation on that positive note?

4/21/2004 2:19:51 PM

And yet again he avoids the very simple and direct question regarding his points. I thought you cared about the truth? Why not address these simple issues?

4/21/2004 3:03:21 PM

A CBS reporter from Channel 2 in New York who witnessed the collapse of the two WTC
towers describes "explosions" going off in the towers. The audio clips can be heard at
the source below:

http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2004/042704secondaryexplosions.htm

[Edited on April 28, 2004 at 12:14 PM. Reason : ..]

4/28/2004 12:14:00 PM

^ The reporter made an assumption that a secondary explosion occurred because of the collapse of the top portion. He didn't actually see or hear an explosion, just thought there had to be one to make a free standing portion fall.

Quote :

"And yet again he avoids the very simple and direct question regarding his points. I thought you cared about the truth? Why not address these simple issues?"

4/28/2004 2:21:29 PM

Good then you won't mind answering the following sincere and as of yet unadressed questions:

It can't be a missile in the video. The warhead of cruise missiles are just barely behind the tip of the cone like here:



If that had been a missile then that nose cone would no longer exist and the several feet behind it wouldn't exist because thats wear the warhead sits in the missile.

Quote :

"It is a clue to the holograms used in this operation."

Watch that .wmv that you posted and you can see the impact of the wings. Lines of smoke and building damage at a diagonal just like the wings of the airplane were (at roughly 45 degree angles above and below the point of impact). A cruise missile is not capable of this becuase it doesnt have anything close to that sort of wingspan and a "hologram" most certainly isn't capable of causing damage where its image is. You just showed proof that it was in fact a plane.

Quote :

"Pentagon officials cancel flights for Sept. 11th on Sept. 10th, 2001 (MSNBC article): --> see 5th paragraph from the bottom"

Why would they cancel their flights if there weren't any planes hijacked, I mean we used cruise missiles and fight jets for the attacks didn't we?

4/28/2004 2:21:57 PM

9-11: The Road To Tyranny can be watched online at the following link. It is a Windows
Media Player file. I post this for those who want to download and watch the video online but
cannot because they couldn't watch it in Real Player for whatever reason.

http://propagandamatrix.com/multimedia_priorknowledge_911roadtotyranny.html

4/29/2004 1:19:46 PM

unfortunately the format of the video doesnt change the fact that the whole thing is complete, conspiracy bullshit.

4/29/2004 1:24:43 PM

Quote :

"brianj320: unfortunately the format of the video doesnt change the fact that the whole thing is complete, conspiracy bullshit"

Video from Oklahoma city local news channels that PROVE that the BATF was removing
unexploded devices from the Murrah Federal Building are "conspiracy bullshit"? The videos also
prove that the BATF had prior knowledge of the bombing and were not in their offices
in the building at the time of the bombing. But that's "conspiracy bullshit" also?

And that's just a couple examples of the evidence in the video.

Have you watched the video? If so, you are in denial.


[Edited on April 29, 2004 at 1:31 PM. Reason : ..]

4/29/2004 1:28:14 PM

i'm not in denial you are. i watched the video a long time ago when you were posting it then. i watched it, formed my own opinions, and believe it is utter bullshit coming from a wanna-be celebrity and person who wants to make a name for himself. he is not interested in uncovering the truth, but making a profit anyway possible; that includes his video you hold so high and mighty.

4/29/2004 1:31:37 PM

People should watch the video and make a decision based upon the evidence in the video
because 90% of the people who watch the video are going see the truth. There will always
be people like you who can't see the truth or do but want to live in denial.


[Edited on April 29, 2004 at 1:37 PM. Reason : ..]

4/29/2004 1:34:59 PM

i see the truth just fine and i'm not in denial, thank you very much. dont make assenine assumptions about me when you've never met me or know the kinda person i am.

4/29/2004 1:36:38 PM

Quote :

"brianj320: i see the truth just fine and i'm not in denial, thank you very much."

Just because you think or say you see the truth does not mean you do. And just because you
label the video "conspiracy bullshit" does not make it so. I find it interesting that you choose
to throw around baseless claims such as "conspiracy bullshit" when discussing the video, but
choose not to discuss the actual content of the video. You have not made any attempt to deny
the claim that the video proves that there were unexploded bombs in the Murrah Federal building
in Oklahoma City. Do you wish to deny that?

The video also presents seismic evidence and interviews with witnesses to the bombing that prove
that there were at least 2 blasts at the Murrah Federal Building.


[Edited on April 29, 2004 at 2:08 PM. Reason : ..]

4/29/2004 1:53:38 PM

Good then you won't mind answering the following sincere and as of yet unadressed questions:

It can't be a missile in the video. The warhead of cruise missiles are just barely behind the tip of the cone like here:



If that had been a missile then that nose cone would no longer exist and the several feet behind it wouldn't exist because thats wear the warhead sits in the missile.

Quote :

"It is a clue to the holograms used in this operation."

Watch that .wmv that you posted and you can see the impact of the wings. Lines of smoke and building damage at a diagonal just like the wings of the airplane were (at roughly 45 degree angles above and below the point of impact). A cruise missile is not capable of this becuase it doesnt have anything close to that sort of wingspan and a "hologram" most certainly isn't capable of causing damage where its image is. You just showed proof that it was in fact a plane.

Quote :

"Pentagon officials cancel flights for Sept. 11th on Sept. 10th, 2001 (MSNBC article): --> see 5th paragraph from the bottom"

Why would they cancel their flights if there weren't any planes hijacked, I mean we used cruise missiles and fight jets for the attacks didn't we?

4/29/2004 2:34:22 PM

Quote :

"but choose not to discuss the actual content of the video"

i choose not to discuss the material cause i dont feel like wasting my time makin a real, logical, supportive argument only to be ignored by the disrespectful piece of life that you are. i have made many points and counterpoints to the majority of things you have posted in here and YOU have CHOSEN not to even acknowledge anything i said. o i'm not the only one you do that to. take a look at msb2ncsu and the points he makes, you have YET to answer any valid points he has brought up and i already know you never will cause you dont give a shit about what anybody else has to say. if you did, this thread would be a logical argument that most people would not have any problems with. the fact is, you ignore us and everythin we say and so we credit you as a joke and everything you say as a joke. frankly sir, YOU ARE A JOKE. that is all.

[/dear god end this thread now]

4/29/2004 3:36:57 PM

msb2ncsu's most recent query is not so much intended to ask for any explanation
as it is to badger me I think. It should also be noted that I never claimed that a cruise missile hit
the south tower of the WTC. I merely quoted another website that theorized that a cruise
missile might have hit the south tower of the WTC and posted a link to the website. It amuses
me that he continues to re-post the same question over and over. I hope he continues
to do so.

As for acknowledging what others say, I can assure you that I have read almost every post
on this thread (discounting double and triple and quadruple posts of the same thing....see
post two posts above this one). Just because I don't offer a comment on a post doesn't mean
that I have ignored it.

I'm likely not going to respond to questions when such questions are designed to
nag me or are silly questions. Furthermore, you cannot expect me to respond to every post
on this thread, whether those posts are comments or questions. I don't expect every person
who reads this thread to offer a comment or acknowledgement of my every post. Imagine
if every person reading this thread asked me a question. I would not have the time to
respond to all those questions.

[Edited on April 29, 2004 at 7:19 PM. Reason : ..]

4/29/2004 7:18:51 PM

What happened to the passengers on Flight 77? (that we are told hit the Pentagon)

source: http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/may2004/030504flight77.htm

quote:

"As it turns out, there were just enough empty seats on Flight 93 to
accommodate all passengers from the other hijacked aircraft. Dewdney's
"Operation Pearl" hypothesis (a testable, scientific hypothesis) has them
being off-loaded at Harrisburg, and then loaded onto Flight 93:

...After taking off, Flight 93 was blown out of the sky with a sidewinder
missile triggered from an Air National Guard interceptor. We have received
reports that certain retired military personnel can confirm the name of
the U.S. pilot who triggered that sidewinder. These reports obviously need
further confirmation.

So, the bodies you are seeking landed, in lots of small pieces, either in a
debris field 8 miles in length in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, or in the Atlantic
Ocean:"
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Further confirmation that Flight 93 was shot down came from a caller on the
Howard Stern Show who heard an explosion and witnessed Flight 93 on fire in
the sky as well as two other aircraft fly by:

The link below has the audio...

source: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2004/042104flight93.htm


[Edited on May 5, 2004 at 6:57 PM. Reason : ..]

5/5/2004 6:48:26 PM

FDNY Chief of Safety Reported Bombs Within the Towers (audio from NBC news)

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/050504bombsinwtc.htm

quote:

"What you will hear is a clip from NBC reporter Pat Dawson on the morning of
9/11. In it he discusses the comments of Albert Turi, the Chief of Safety for
the New York City Fire Department."


[Edited on May 5, 2004 at 9:52 PM. Reason : ..]

5/5/2004 9:40:12 PM

Quote :

"I'm likely not going to respond to questions when such questions are designed to nag me or are silly questions. Furthermore, you cannot expect me to respond to every post on this thread, whether those posts are comments or questions. I don't expect every person who reads this thread to offer a comment or acknowledgement of my every post. Imagine if every person reading this thread asked me a question. I would not have the time to respond to all those questions. "

Strangely reminds me of someone else, but who could it be..... Ah yes, now I remember.

5/5/2004 9:51:51 PM

Quote :

"Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event there will usually be at least one ,often several wild conspiracy theories which spring up around it. "The CIA killed Hendrix"; "the Pope had John Lennon murdered"; "Hitler was half Werewolf"; "Space aliens replaced Nixon with a clone," etc, etc. The bigger the event, the more ridiculous and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate in relation to it. So its hardly surprising that the events of Sept. 11, 2001, have spawned their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And as always, there is -- sadly -- a small but gullible percentage of the population eager to lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or rational analysis. One of the wilder stories circulating about Sept 11 (and one that has attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs) is that it was carried out by 19 fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they "hate our freedoms." Never a group of people to be bothered by facts, the perpetrators of this cartoon fantasy have constructed an elaborately woven web of delusions and unsubstantiated hearsay in order to promote this garbage across the Internet and the media to the extent that a number of otherwise rational people have actually fallen under its spell. Normally I don't even bother debunking this kind of junk, but the effect that this paranoid myth is beginning to have requires a little rational analysis, in order to consign it to the same rubbish bin as all such silly conspiracy theories. These crackpots even contend that the extremist Bush regime was caught unawares by the attacks, had no hand in organizing them and actually would have stopped them if it had been able. Blindly ignoring the stand down of the U.S. Air Force, the insider trading on airline stocks (linked to the CIA), the complicit behavior of Bush on the morning of the attacks, the controlled demolition of the WTC, the firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other documented proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks, the conspiracy theorists stick doggedly to a silly story about 19 Arab hijackers somehow managing to commandeer four planes simultaneously and fly them around U.S. airspace for nearly two hours, crashing them into important buildings, without the U.S. intelligence services having any idea that it was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do. http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/C-fraud/01-911/2003/05C1-10-11-03-the-looniest-of-all-911-conspiracy-theories.html"

[Edited on May 8, 2004 at 6:59 PM. Reason : ..]

5/8/2004 6:58:06 PM

Egyptians Knew of Planned 9-11 Attacks

source: http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/29/71547.shtml

Quote :

"While on vacation in Cairo last August, Connecticut banker Richard Dennison says a shopkeeper in the bazaar told him in detail about planes that would be flown like bombs into the World Trade Center by Arabs in September or October. Furthermore, according to the shopkeeper, the coming attack was a prime topic of conversation at his mosque."

5/8/2004 8:01:08 PM

sals, crazier then a black republican

5/8/2004 8:33:36 PM

At the eleventh public hearing of the 9/11 Commission, in which Rudolph Giuliani testified, an
audience member stated "remember this, your government funded and trained Al-CIAda." After
the statement, many people applauded.

The video and audio (C-Span) is at the link below. The statement is made about 30-40 seconds
before the end of the video clip.

http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/051904giuliani911.htm

Here is a Chicago Sun Times article on the the same subject titled "9/11 relatives blast Giuliani, commission panel":

http://www.suntimes.com/output/terror/cst-nws-probe20.html


[Edited on May 20, 2004 at 8:26 PM. Reason : ,]

5/20/2004 7:59:37 PM

Just because some tree hugging idiot said something doesn't make it true, and the fact others applauded only shows there was more than 1 idiot present at the time.

5/20/2004 8:13:44 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=212043

5/24/2004 1:42:17 PM

The Toronto Star reports that a poll shows 63% of Canadians don't believe the official
U.S. government story on 9/11:

Quote :

"...a majority of Canadians doubt the line out of Washington. A poll conducted for the non-profit inquiry (http://www.911inquiry.org) this month shows that 63 per cent of us believe the U.S. government had "prior knowledge of the plans for the events of September 11th, and failed to take appropriate action to stop them." http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1085523609228&call_pageid=970599119419"

[Edited on May 27, 2004 at 10:39 PM. Reason : ..]

5/27/2004 10:35:40 PM

boy, good thing we know what the Canadians think

let it go dude

Quote :

"Here, international authors, filmmakers, academics, military and intelligence experts as well as, yes, probably the occasional conspiracy theorist, are mixing it up with ordinary people"

What a meeting of the minds that must be...because it's important to know what people like Stephen King, George Lucas, and nutcases think since they are obviously more informed than "ordinary people"

[Edited on May 28, 2004 at 1:13 AM. Reason : .]

5/28/2004 1:10:18 AM

Quote :

"University of Ottawa economics professor Michel Chossudovsky...French political activist and best-selling author Thierry Meyssan"

A lot of unbiased minds at work here, huh? And what the fuck is an economist doing talking about terrorism?

5/28/2004 1:43:22 AM

evidence of prior knowledge by the FBI:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5131524

Quote :

"LONDON - More than a year before 9/11, a Pakistani-British man told the FBI an incredible tale: that he had been trained by bin Laden’s followers to hijack airplanes and was now in America to carry out an attack. The FBI questioned him for weeks, but then let him go home, and never followed up. Now, the former al-Qaida insider is talking. ... Khan remains surprised that, to this day, the FBI, CIA and Scotland Yard have never asked for his help in identifying the street address of the Lahore safe house where he and dozens of other men were trained. He says he saw some identifying signs and might be able to locate it today. “I just surprised because [they] never come back to ask some more things," he said. "[The FBI] believed me, but maybe not seriously.” "

[Edited on June 6, 2004 at 10:56 AM. Reason : ..]

6/6/2004 10:51:33 AM

^Alright, dude. You have about eleventy-billion conspiracy theories in this thread, each contradicting one another. You're going to have pick one and stick with it.

6/6/2004 10:58:29 AM

We've tried this tact before...the deal is he doesn't believe the real story, but he also doesn't know which conspiracy theory is correct. However, some of the information isn't conspiracy at all...it's just facts the do nothing more than point to vague indications that we may have know something like this could have happened at some time in the future. But people who hear that our intel guys knew something like this could happen only scream and whine about us not stopping us. They, of course, never try to explain how we should have stopped it. After all, if the only intel we had was that terrorists may try and hijack planes and use them as missiles at some point in the future, we would have had to just shut down air travel all together. In that line of reasoning, air travel should have been banned after the Pan Am bombing over lockerbie...after all terrorists had proven that they could blow up a plane at any given time. Hence the only way to stop such terror would be to stop air travel.

It was a terrible thing, 9/11. But even if we had stopped it once, it still would have happened. Terrorists don't give up. When the Cole was attacked, it was the second attempt. The previous attempt was against the USS The Sullivans about a year before. The boat with the explosives on board sunk that time, so they just tried again later.

Salisburyboy apparently isn't smart enough to devise his own conspiracy theory nor is he secure enough to choose one to believe. Instead, he covers his weaknesses by presenting every theory he can find in order to try and discount the official, true, story.

6/6/2004 7:43:47 PM

I am watching that video "the road to tyranny" that salisbury posted

everything he says about 9-11 comes from it...he completely bought this thing...everything the idiot in the video is saying has become salis's thoery on 9-11 and New World Order

6/6/2004 10:51:35 PM

NY Post comments on Moore's film Farenheit 9/11...

Quote :

"NOTHING NEW MICHAEL Moore's anti-Bush film "Fahrenheit 9/11" isn't even original. Two years ago, "9/11: The Road to Tyranny," a real documentary by Alex Jones, had most of the "facts" Moore uses in his scatter-shot diatribe. Jones, who is less interested in making money than the self-aggrandizing Moore, released his film for free on his Web site http://www.infowars.com, where it drew legions of new fans, including producer Curt Johnson, who is hiring Jones as a consultant on a political action thriller titled "Wake Up." http://www.infowars.com/saved%20pages/alex/page_6.htm"

Farenheit 9/11 only tells part of the story...

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/farenheit911michaelmoore.html

Quote :

""FAHRENHEIT 9/11" documents that the American people have been lied to in the push for war. There were no weapons of mass destruction. Saddam was not a threat. Iraq had no link to 9-11. Iraq was not supporting Al Qaeda. The government of Iraq under Saddam killed far fewer Iraqi people than the government of Iraq under George Bush. The Kurds were actually gassed by Iran (and does the name "Waco" ring a bell?). The only nuclear weapons found in Iraq are the tons of depleted uranium munitions dropped on the Iraqi people by the United States. And, far from being the champion of human rights, the United States stands exposed as a willing user of torture on prisoners who in many cases were innocent of any wrongdoing. That's the major message. We The People were lied to about, well, just about everything. Including 9-11 itself. Bush sat there and read about goats while the towers fell. The video tape of "Osama's" confession turned out to be fake. Osama himself turned out to be a fake, a CIA asset trained and funded by the US to fight the USSR in Afghanistan. Blair's dossier turned out to be fake, plagiarized from a student thesis. The mobile biological weapons trailers turned out to be fake; actually balloon inflators sold by the British to Iraq. And on and on and on. Deception after deception after deception. Everyone agrees on this major message. We've been lied to. We are the victims of history's greatest and deadliest hoax; a hoax perpetrated to ignite a war of conquest. Michael Moore's film does a great job of confronting that deadly fact. But, Michael Moore has himself either fallen for disinformation, or simply not done his homework, and seems willing to accept without question the official story of 9-11. "

[Edited on June 26, 2004 at 10:45 AM. Reason : ..]

6/26/2004 10:39:14 AM

The pilot who shot down Flight 93 over Pennsylvania has been identified:

http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/flight93shotdown.html

Quote :

"Flight 93 Shot Down LetsRoll911.org has discovered that Fight 93 was definitely shot down. LetsRoll has discovered the name of the pilot as well as all other pertinent information regarding this incident; "At precisely 0938 hours, an alarm was sounded at Langely Air Force Base, and those whom were on call, drinking coffee, were scrambled. Thus the 119th Fighter Wing was off for an intercept. They, the Happy Hooligans, a unit of 3 F-16 aircraft, were ordered to head toward Pennsylvania. At 0957 they spotted their target; After confirmation orders were received, A one Major Rick Gibney fired two sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in mid flight at precisely 0958; He was awarded a medal from the Governor one year later for his heroic actions. As well as Decorated by Congress on 9/13/2001. The Happy Hooligans were previously stationed in North Dakota, and moved to Langley Air Force base some months before 911 occured on a "Temporary assignment." "

[Edited on June 28, 2004 at 7:12 PM. Reason : ..]

6/28/2004 7:02:37 PM

source: http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1574.cfm

pre 9/11/01 official logo of the U.S. Marine Corps elite Warfighting Laboratory specializing in Urban Warfare:



this logo was removed after the attacks of 9/11 and replaced with this one:

Quote :

"Behind the airplanes is the same Green Basilisk Dragon that we saw devouring the Twin Towers in the first logo. The Marines are not attacking toward this Basilisk Dragon, as you would expect them to do if the dragon were the enemy the Corps is fighting!! No, this Green Basilisk Dragon is pictured as the being that is "backing" the Corps, the being that gives the Marines their power! There can be no other explanation. This logo is pictured as the Green Basilisk Dragon giving the U.S. Marine Corps Urban Warfighting Laboratory their power over the enemy. The Marine Corps leadership is pictorially delivering the message that they are empowered with occult power."

[Edited on July 10, 2004 at 11:49 AM. Reason : ..]

7/10/2004 11:45:47 AM

i'd rather be decieved by the gov than read this thread

7/10/2004 11:48:34 AM

Quote :

"Behind the airplanes is the same Green Basilisk Dragon that we saw devouring the Twin Towers in the first logo"

The lizard is clearly not "devouring" the towers, as its entire face is in front of them.

Of course, that's moot, since that was never a logo for anything, ever. If you want to see the real thing, go here:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/usmc/mcwl.htm

And note that the image of New York was obviously photoshopped into Salisbury's bogus "first logo."

[Edited on July 10, 2004 at 5:44 PM. Reason : ]

7/10/2004 5:42:16 PM

Alleged cell phone calls from airliners on 9/11 impossible..

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"MIRACLES AND WONDERS Last week, USA Today reported a joint effort between Qualcomm and American Airlines' to allow passengers to make cellphone calls from aircraft in flight. According to the story, the satellite-based system employs a "Pico cell" to act as a small cellular tower. "It worked great," gushed Monte Ford, American Airline's chief information officer. "I called the office. I called my wife. I called a friend in Paris. They all heard me great, and I could hear them loud and clear." Before this new "Pico cell," it was nigh on impossible to make a call from a passenger aircraft in flight. Connection is impossible at altitudes over 8000 feet or speeds in excess of 230 mph. Yet despite this, passengers Todd Beamer, Mark Bingham, Jeremy Glick and Edward Felt all managed to place calls from Flight 93 on the morning of September 11. Peter Hanson, en route to Disneyland with his wife and daughter, phoned his dad from Flight 175. Madeline Amy Sweeney, a flight attendant, made a very dramatic call from Flight 11 as it sped to the North Tower. Barbara Olson made two calls, collect, to her husband at his government office from Flight 77 as it made its way to the Pentagon. Each call was initially reported as coming from a cellphone. Later, when skepticism reared its ugly head and the Grassy Knollers arrived, the narrative became fuzzy; it was suggested that $10-a-minute Airfones were involved. Olson was an easy candidate for Airfone (one doesn't call collect from a cell), but as the stories developed, Olson—and Felt—were said to have called from inside locked lavatories. No Airfone there. In the very near future, numerous technological miracles and wonders will rise up out of the ashes of that terrible day, much the way the space program supposedly gave us Tang and Velcro. Satam Al-Suqami's indestructible passport, for one, is currently under the microscope in the Reverse Engineering Department at Area 51. My old passport was falling apart when I finally replaced it last year, just from spending 10 years in my pocket. His survived the destruction of the World Trade Center. I want one of those. Likewise, professional bowlers could benefit from inquiries into whatever physical force brought about the collapse of WTC 7. And as a frequent flyer who finds long-term parking difficult and expensive, I'd like to know by what mechanism Mohammed Atta got to Portland, ME, where he was videotaped boarding a flight to Logan Airport in Boston. His rental car was found at Logan. And last but not least, every suburban homeowner will want the miraculous PentaGrass. Whatever that lawn at the Pentagon is made out of, it sure is amazing stuff—it resists and repels fire, explosion, skid marks, aircraft debris, jet fuel, luggage and body parts. Shit from your neighbor's dog won't stand a chance! Who would've thought there'd be a silver lining even in the debris cloud made that Tuesday morning http://www.nypress.com/17/30/news&columns/AlanCabal.cfm"

[Edited on August 9, 2004 at 6:31 PM. Reason : ..]

8/9/2004 6:28:50 PM

damn, I thought we were rid of you

8/9/2004 6:31:51 PM

8/9/2004 8:07:31 PM

Good archive of articles relating to 9-11:
http://www.the7thfire.com/9-11/911_has_shown_the_face_of_NWO.htm

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"The attacks of 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without the willful failure of the American defense system. In Washington, Air Force pilots demanded to fly but were ordered to stand down. Yet instead of prosecuting the president and military leaders for this unprecedented dereliction of duty, military leaders were promoted and the president was praised for presiding over a defense system that suspiciously failed the most crucial test in its history. None of the deaths would have happened without the deliberate unplugging of America's air defenses. Planes that lose contact with control towers are usually intercepted by fighter jets inside of ten minutes, as the incident with the golfer's plane a few months earlier so clearly demonstrated. Yet on 9/11, the jetliners that struck New York were allowed to proceed unmolested for more than a half-hour, and the plane that supposedly crashed in Washington was not intercepted for more than an hour and forty minutes after it was widely known that four planes had been hijacked. http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/9-11_Day_of_Infamy.htm "

[Edited on August 13, 2004 at 7:29 PM. Reason : ---]

8/13/2004 7:24:58 PM

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"Uncle Sam's lucky finds Anne Karpf Tuesday March 19, 2002 The Guardian ... In less than a week came another find, two blocks away from the twin towers, in the shape of Atta's passport. We had all seen the blizzard of paper rain down from the towers, but the idea that Atta's passport had escaped from that inferno unsinged would have tested the credulity of the staunchest supporter of the FBI's crackdown on terrorism. ... Of course you could interpret these discoveries differently. You could detect in them the clear hand of American propaganda. This isn't, of course, to claim a dirty tricks department somewhere in the heart of Washington. That would have you immediately accused of peddling conspiracy theories, though I'm coming to think that conspiracy theories have had a bad press. What are they, after all, but "joined-up government" by another name? http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,669961,00.html"

8/14/2004 12:20:48 PM