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9/15/2005 9:27:38 AM

Forget the upgraded assault rifle - if I am regular assault and have a medic and support guy in my group (2 medics and 1 support preferable) - then it is going to be one hell of a killing spree. I don't even know when I got my 44 kill spree but I'm betting it was when I had ops, maug, hizawk, or ivilkee around playing support/medic. Assuming nobody is playing support in my squad I always just grab medic and support kits from the people I kill. That just isn't very safe to do at all times however.

I still think combat IS necessary if you want to have an effective team. Someone running around doing nothing but throwing down kits.. especially medic kits.. isn't nearly as effective as they should be. Combat 101 revolves around the number of units. If you have a smaller number of fighting units on the field - then you are going to have more casualties. Sure.. you can bring them back up a time or two.. but I still say fight first - heal second. Whenver I do play medic (not too often lately) I just throw some kits in the general fighting area and then ignore my healing duties until I know that I have no opportunity to kill someone and know it is safe to bring that person up. It is useless in the middle of a firefight to just stop shooting and run to heal someone if it means you will both die.. happens so often that I quite often after killing someone just wait for their medic to run over.. watch him bring the guy up.. then nade/203 the both of them. Now if that medic had actually fired on me while I was in the initial firefight I might have died - but he wanted his teamwork points lol

Ok so I am bored.. so I will keep typing stuff...

In my "ideal" balanced team would at minimum contain 1 assault (either gun), 1 support (all their guns suck IMO), 2 medic (pref upgraded guns), 1 anti tank (DAO-12 ftw). If the medics both die one of the others pick up a kit and use it on them. I also say make the person who tends to die the least as the squad leader (duh). The only reason you will see me make squads on maps like Karkand all the time is because I try my best for a high K ratio (comes from playing too much AA with 1 death ending your round). Even with 3 people running around with the assault/medic/support combo in a public server makes it so easy to go on a rampage

Snipers are useless for a moving squad and assuming you are on foot.. you have no need for an engineer. I say put the spec ops and snipers together and make them do what they are intended to do. They are not supposed to come under fire often so they shouldn't be visible and need medics nearby. Also - with them having no armor.. they do not make for a good assaulting team (although 5ppl with silencer pistols would be fun). Send them to blow up their stuff and play the stealth role - not the charge on the front lines role.

Killed enough time - back to class

9/15/2005 10:41:47 AM

hahah K ratio


I played some last night, it's not nearly as fun with no one on you know. I really have a good time playing support w/ Breezer & whoever else jumps on. You can keep the M203 raining down with a support nearby.

Last night some guy pulled the lamest shit. I started firing at him from a distance and he couldn't see me, so he started hopping. I hit him a number of times so he starts hopping and throwing out med kits for himself. After finally spotting me, he keeps hopping and finally goes prone to start firing. By this time he has 2 med kits lying beside him so he ends up killing me even though I hit him more than enough times for the kill...

9/15/2005 11:17:21 AM

i seem to be able to get a lot more kills with the m4 than any other rifle

and im best with c4 as my anti-armor, no tone giveaway

9/15/2005 3:03:57 PM

Yeah I noticed that too. The M4 is extremely powerful.

9/15/2005 3:29:17 PM

single shot on the m4 can put bullets on running enemies without much trouble, full auto puts out a tight grouping, and plenty of ammo

plus no iron sights to deal with

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 5:11 PM. Reason : also, i like to pretend im Val Kilmer in the bank robbing scene from Heat]

9/15/2005 5:08:01 PM

i dislike the red dot sight, i can pick off guys a hell of a long way away witht the G36C though.


mmm love that gun

9/15/2005 5:30:04 PM

M249 is where its at.

I unlocked the G36 and was supremely disappointed with it.

9/15/2005 5:54:13 PM

really? i thought the SAW was a piece of shit, but loved the G36

9/15/2005 6:19:34 PM

small, controlled, bursts of fire.

That and its useful in separate roles

medium to long range - cover fire for your squad mates. NME goes behind a corner, you light up that corner and make sure he doesn't come back out while teammates get a better angle on his ass and pop him.

close range - no better rambo gun out there except the shotguns, and well you can't do shit with the shotty's at long range.

and Breezer, the BEST way to get combat is get in the fighter bomber. Its like ... pie dude.

9/15/2005 6:35:33 PM

The g3 is the deadliest weapon in the game, you just got to know how to use it right. You'll know a noob if you run into the guy, and he just holds down the fire button on the g3.

9/15/2005 7:33:58 PM

the g3 is ridiculous, I picked one up and killed 10 guys with it before getting rolled over by a tank.


60 kills today in 1 round, in a plane: good times

9/15/2005 7:49:36 PM

there should be a "noob of the round award." i'm gettin so sick of teammates acting like idiots and just goin around TKing and pulling stupid noobish shit. a fuckin guy runs over 1 of my mines when he's in a tank and of course punishes me because it was my fault he was driving. then he proceeds to tell me he didnt see the red skull that is blatantly there when in ANY close proximity. ugh i need to play with people who know wtf is goin on.

9/15/2005 7:53:33 PM

my 1st gold star

9/15/2005 10:04:53 PM

You sure that is your first? On the previous page when you posted your stats, you had the gold star medal. You have to get first place to get that.

9/15/2005 10:34:49 PM

shoot, I was rapidly on my way to 10,000 to getting my second unlock when *poof* I found dontcamp.com unlocked weapons server and I suddenly didnt give two shits about accumulating more points. plus the group I had played with didnt have an unlocked server untill almost 2 months after I started playing.

IP 152.1.91.5

port 16567

btw

9/15/2005 10:42:54 PM

i updated my stats after i got it

9/15/2005 10:44:08 PM

I just got a 150 point total, all kills


I like planes

also got my veteran pistol medal the next round

[Edited on September 15, 2005 at 11:12 PM. Reason : woo woooo]

9/15/2005 11:11:06 PM

I need to fly more (not choppers lol I do that enough as is)... but I just can not make myself do it with mouse and/or keyboard. I may bomb now and then but... I just can't do it long. I always feel like I am doing it very halfassed compared to if I had a joystick so I quit.

I don't know if I ever told Maug or anyone but I DID used to be a huge flight sim buff way back when.. I had 2 joysticks (1 may still work if I can dig it out in Winston)... and for some reason I get a hardon thinking back to days of Aces of the Pacific, old Micro FlightSim, and space sim stuff like X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter when I was learning the ropes.. but ever since the days when there was a huge gap in time between good sim games with actual upgrades.. eh.. I've kept my feet planted on the ground Hell I didn't even get involved in FPS stuff much less BF2 with flight+FPS until AA days.

I get paid at the end of the month and that joystick posted recently is right in my pricerange of CHEAP so long as it is worthwhile

9/16/2005 1:18:17 AM

I usually have trouble bombing cause there is always an enemy fighter that gets on my tail and I spend five minutes trying to shake him (I am in a less maneuverable aircraft) while I could be bombing. Usually the fighter plane on my side is off in the red spinning out of control or crashing into helicopters. The only real time I can bomb is if the enemy airstrip has been captured.

9/16/2005 7:31:17 AM

Quote :

"or crashing into helicopters."

I swear thats the only way to kill a chopper in a plane. Unless you have a really long strafing run or EA fixes the missles.

And I am wondering if the air will be nothin but huge cluster fucks if all of the sudden all of the AA shoot more acuratly and the jets missles work better...........

Maybe they cant improve that stuff because that shit will happen.

So if I get into a helicopter while 2 other people are trying to, and I get in and one guy didnt get in. Then he starts puttin satchel charges on the helicopter. And I kill him in the gunner seat. And then later when we die, he is still at the helicopter pad. So I shoot him again before the helicopter spawns again. Then we die again and I kill him again, and then one more time after that, am I a jackass? Or is that just premptive-stopping-of-other-jackasses?

9/16/2005 9:51:38 AM

fuck em

if they are being asswipes kill em

9/16/2005 9:55:42 AM

they have got to do somethin about the AA missiles for the MEC and Chinese AA tanks. i mean i'll have good tone on an enemy and keep the tone but if there is a friendly in the area the missiles will go after the friendly and either damage it or destroy it. either way i take negative #'s.

9/16/2005 9:57:18 AM

Anyone else notice a difference in maneuverability in the helicopters between MEC,China,USMC?

Also, Is it possible to to do a flip or be able to roll all the way around in order to loose some altitude quickly? You would have to be high to attempt it anyway.

9/16/2005 10:45:50 AM

Is it just the mobile AAs that are having problems? I spend A LOT of time in the stationary AAs and I haven't noticed my missles hitting friendlies. I have noticed my missles going right through blackhawks way more often than reasonably expected. I remember seeing a promo vid of a missle going through the open crew area of the blackhawk, but really, should it do it 1 out of 2 times?

Also: is it really 10k points to another unlock? Christ, I think I'm going to make a new account so I can try the G3.

9/16/2005 10:49:39 AM

It's actually 10,500 points to unlock.

The helicopters do manuver differently. The Mi-28 and Z-10 are pretty much the same though. They are slower and heavier. The Super Cobra is faster and more nimble.

In another BF game that I won't mention, rolling of helicopters were possible. I haven't tried it in BF2 yet, but might this afternoon.

If anyone will be around I'll be on and off this afternoon (taking 1/2 day from work). I'm willing to bet that the Cobra will do a barrel roll if you are high enough and practice it some. Could be a good technique to use if a jet is coming at you.


Also, it's not hard to kill the helos with the jet. Just lock on them from far enough out and wait for the flares to clear, then unload the missles. While you are waiting for the lock and flares, use the nose cannon.

9/16/2005 11:07:59 AM

rolling in helicopters is possible

I was gunning and the pilot starts turning and I was like WTF ARE YOU DOING


it turned out to be a neat trick. All involved parties were pleased

9/16/2005 12:35:06 PM

i love the Mi-28 mini gun, has the explosion effect, much easier to kill ground troops then gunning for the cobra.

9/16/2005 12:41:22 PM

Are you sure I havent rolled one with you gunning ops?????

It is definitely possible - get in the AH and goto town

9/16/2005 12:57:45 PM

shooting down a heli is easy with a double team of 2 jets




the hard part is getting the cooperation of your teammate

9/16/2005 1:10:27 PM

to bring down a decent heli pilot you either need a better heli pilot or a doubleteam from somewhere.. be it all ground or air or mixed.. or get a lucky shot

it seems like 60% of my "shot down" deaths have come from being run into by a jet (yeah not really shooting down but whatever).... the other 40% come from getting doubleteamed

ops and I were aggrivated that one night because we were constantly fighting with another helicopter all while an enemy mobile AA and apparently a friendly AA were constantly firing at us non-stop.. no clue how we lived as long as we did like that.. you will be put into 100% evasion and not attack at all

I also hate when a jet comes by and strafes me and/or gets a lock while I am fighting another helicopter because if I evade much I open myself to the other chopper - if I don't I have to rely on the flares.

Any 1 of the above alone though doesn't cause much trouble.. an enemy AA can be flushed out and hunted down - jets evaded - choppers you just fight heads up

9/16/2005 1:34:05 PM

i can take down choppers left and right with the 50 cal. on the buggies, soo easy.

i dont think they need to improve the jet's A/A missles on the helicopters, it would make it too easy to kill them, i think its pretty balanced right now except the ground AA missiles need to be faster, they cant fucking track planes going afterburner and i think they should leave it to the pilot to A) flares or B) out maneuver the missiles, not just take off with the afterburner.


the G3 is incredibally satisfying to use, i love it.

[Edited on September 16, 2005 at 1:40 PM. Reason : whioa!]

9/16/2005 1:35:29 PM

yes jeeps do a lot of damage to helicopters too!!

although like before.. if a jeep is shooting at me and I am not engaged in a fight.. I am just going to get out of the line of fire and either come back to kill him or repair.. and come find him then

9/16/2005 2:04:20 PM

i love playing MEC anti-tank on Dam. There are so many targets.

9/16/2005 2:42:08 PM

dontcamp.com unlocked weapons server

152.1.91.5

be there I'm AGBSpectre

9/16/2005 4:48:05 PM

when a helo is really pissing me off, I'll slow down, come around, get tone, then just unload all 6 missiles on his ass. Its incredibly satisfying knowing that some whirleybird just met an grusome end.

Then its even more satisfying when the wreckage hits the ground and lands on an enemy ground pounder or jeep. Double the Pleasure!

9/16/2005 5:50:02 PM

I love the chinese AA. I just love the sound it makes when hitting the ground even if it isnt that powerful. I just get enjoyment listening to the thing in full auto.

9/16/2005 7:20:17 PM

Hahaha yeah the Chinese AA is awesome.

Anyone else have this problem when bombing: You line up the bombing run perfectly and right when you push the button to release the bombs only one releases. It is frustrating.

9/17/2005 12:29:49 AM

that would be one of the few thousand bugs in the game

9/17/2005 12:40:30 AM

wraith:

Yup, happens to me all the time.

9/17/2005 10:19:03 AM

figured out my joystick dillema

I am buying a Revolution controller + adapter for the PC

9/17/2005 3:46:37 PM

When is the big update with the 140 fixes thing supposed to be released?

9/17/2005 6:15:53 PM

^^ ahaha that would make for a fun way to steer the TV guided missle

9/17/2005 8:37:33 PM

yeah I was flying chopper the other night against opt and breezer they're pretty good.

I got a kill in I think once after I tailed them for a solid two minutes till they finally dove in a pulled up

9/18/2005 3:45:24 AM

What name were you using? Don't remember seeing you on...

9/18/2005 1:56:15 PM

Slipstreamed

9/18/2005 2:30:23 PM

Ops - he was the chopper who was chasing us during that whole scenario with the mobile AAs described above - remember when at one point I was evading after another lock and I lifted right into him because he was chasing us? lol

I'm sure he saw us both botching in global about the AA - right before we got shot down by friendly - gave me such a headache

9/18/2005 10:01:43 PM

anybody buyin the special ops expansion?

9/18/2005 10:07:12 PM

thats a big Neg

9/18/2005 11:58:25 PM

yea i dont think so considering all the fuckin bugs in this game already. and god knows when the patch will be released.

9/19/2005 12:03:36 AM