authorities told me that UFOs were seen near madison square garden last night

4/26/2006 2:07:28 PM

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"authorities were also initially telling people there were snipers in new orleans"

But you believe the authorities on virtually everything else, right?

Especially including their conspiracy theory about the 19 arabs and the evil genius who carried out 9/11 because they "hate our freedom"

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"initial reports after major events are often wrong."

The initial reports are often the most correct. It's the revised reports and the whitewashing of those initial reports that you should be suspicious of.

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"citing an initial report as proof is extremely weak."

That's ridiculous.

And at least I'm citing any proof. You've cited nothing. You only issue repeated denials, and illogical and ridiculous statements.


[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 2:18 PM. Reason : ```]

4/26/2006 2:08:27 PM

STRAWMEN WERE SEEN TOO!?!?!?!?!


ohhhh way to ruin the joke sails...

by the way, salis...i think your comments on "authority" would be more effective if you would start bolding the end of the word....which would make people read it like cartman from southpark



[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 2:15 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/26/2006 2:10:16 PM

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"The initial reports are often the most correct."

Can you offer up any proof to back that generalization? You're basing your entire claim on the initial report and absolutely nothing else.

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"And at least I'm citing any proof. You've cited nothing."

Why would I need proof to question wild claims? Again, you're trying to play off the shortcomings of your theory by pointing fingers at others.

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"You only issue repeated denials, and illogical and ridiculous statements."

Where have I done any of that? Grow up. Learn to listen to criticism instead of becoming hostile to everyone who has a different opinion than you.

Speaking of denial, you've now spent 12 pages running from a few simple questions.

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

4/26/2006 2:30:09 PM

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"Can you offer up any proof to back that generalization?"

Initial reports of 5 "dancing Israelis" arrested after filming the WTC and celebrating, which were later hushed up and virtually never mentioned again. Initial coverage of the collapse of WTC Building 7, and reporting on how it looked like a controlled demoltion. And then the MSM basically never refers to the collapse of WTC Building 7 again. Oklahoma City local news reports of unexploded bombs being removed from the Murrah building, which were later covered up and effectively never covered again.

You see, the MSM reports this stuff initially. Then, when they see that they need to cover up that information, it gets buried and the MSM never comments on it again. And then people like you go and claim these "initial" reports are "wrong", when in fact the reports were correct and the information is being suppressed by the MSM.

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"Why would I need proof to question wild claims?"

Oh, so you don't provide any evidence to support your position. You just label the opposing position as "wild" and "extreme." Gotcha.

Oh, and...

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"keep trolling Mr. Joshua. I don't care if you bttt the thread with that post over and over"

[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 2:50 PM. Reason : ```````]

4/26/2006 2:38:20 PM

has anyone seen thge movie "Willow"??


ya know the little dwarf wizard guy??....thats kinda how i picture Salis...only his magic powers are far greater that the dude's in the movie

4/26/2006 2:48:25 PM

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"Initial reports of 5 "dancing Israelis" arrested after filming the WTC and celebrating, which were later hushed up and virtually never mentioned again. Initial reports about how the collapse of WTC Building 7 looked like a controlled demoltion. And then the MSM basically never mentions the collapse of WTC Building 7 again."

In light of what happened on 9/11, those are extremely minor events. I was watching CNN on 9/11 and the only mention that they made of WTC 7 was on the ticker at the bottom when it said "WTC 7 HAS NOW COLLAPSED".

I love that you completely dismiss everything that the mainstream media says to contradict you, calling the media the whore of global elite, etc. However, you have absolutely no problem citing them when you can relate to your theory.

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"Oh, so you don't provide any evidence to support your position."

Well, I do, actually. But whenever I do, you call my sources bullshit. I wish that I could find a website with the credibility of prisonplanet!

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"You just label the opposing position as "wild" and "extreme.""

And you label everyone who disagrees with you as a troll.

Your theories are wild. Edomite jews blew up the world trade center because Esau sold his birthright and thus they want to rule the world. Gotcha.

4/26/2006 2:49:30 PM

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"I love that you completely dismiss everything that the mainstream media says to contradict you, calling the media the whore of global elite, etc. However, you have absolutely no problem citing them when you can relate to your theory. "

So you are faulting me for picking and chosing which things to believe and not to believe coming from the MSM? Even you are doing that.

As everyone knows, the MSM isn't perfect. They make mistakes. They lie at times. Some of the stuff they report is true, and some of it isn't. The important thing to do is to be able to discern what is true and what is false.

And the MSM is controlled by the global elite, but they do report a lot of accurate information. Not everything coming from the MSM is false. And they even report truths every now and then that are detrimental to the elite agenda. But when this happens, that information quickly gets hushed up and does not receive wide national attention.

The way the MSM manipulates people is largely by suppressing information. It also involves selling the public on false information (eg, the official 9/11 story), but they cover their asses by merely acting as a mouthpiece for the government and by not questioning the government's "official" version. Then, sometimes the MSM out and out lies to the public and feeds them false information.

And people like you won't believe anything unless it comes from the MSM. If I used "alternative" sources, you would just say I'm using "crackpot" sources that are "not legitimate" and "have no credibility." So, that's another reason why I use MSM sources.

4/26/2006 3:11:43 PM

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"The initial reports are often the most correct."

In regard to Oklohoma City bombing, what about this report? Is this part of the cover up too?

"Initial televised reports aired a theory that foreign terrorists were responsible and suggested that eyewitnesses had seen Middle Eastern-looking men fleeing the scene."

Taken from, http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,26782,00.html

4/26/2006 3:16:34 PM

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"Is this part of the cover up too?"

Absolutely. That goes to what I was saying earlier about how the government did not go after McVeigh's accomplices including "John Doe #2", who was described as "Middle Eastern."

4/26/2006 3:19:06 PM

if there really were 2 unexploded bombs (there weren't, i can explain the logic if you would like) why would the A.U.T.H.O.R.I.T.I.E.S. tell you about it

4/26/2006 3:45:35 PM

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"So you are faulting me for picking and chosing which things to believe and not to believe coming from the MSM?"

Yeah, I am. If it could be construed as supporting your theory, you say that its true. Whenever anyone cites anything that blows another whole in you broad monological blueprint, you say that its a lie. Classic salisburyboy, you try to find a way to dismiss and ignore any evidence against your ideas.

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"Even you are doing that."

Where?

So were there 3 bombs in the Murrah building? You would think that an all powerful group like the the edomite NWO could do better than builing one successful bomb out of three. How did they manage to bring down the WTC with shitty bombmaking skills like that?

4/26/2006 3:49:56 PM

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"if there really were 2 unexploded bombs (there weren't, i can explain the logic if you would like)"

Please enlighten us.

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"you try to find a way to dismiss and ignore any evidence against your ideas"

What evidence are you talking about? Virtually no one is even presenting evidence against my position. There's just a lot of denials, name-calling, and spamming going coming from my opponents.

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"Yeah, I am."

And you do the same thing you fault me for doing. You clearly pick and choose which things to believe that come from the MSM. Are you seriously going to deny that? Do you believe everything the MSM says?

4/26/2006 4:00:54 PM

well for one thing the bomb was a huge truck sized bomb with the capability to destroy the building

what would be the point in placing 2 smaller removable sized bombs that didnt even go off

there is none

it doesnt make sense

its illogical

4/26/2006 4:03:04 PM

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"well for one thing the bomb was a huge truck sized bomb with the capability to destroy the building what would be the point in placing 2 smaller removable sized bombs that didnt even go off there is none it doesnt make sense its illogical"

The truck bomb was nowhere near powerful enough to do the damage that was done to the Murrah building. To take out support columns like that, explosive devices would need to be placed next to the support columns (not dozens of feet away in a truck).

The fact that unexploded bombs were removed from inside the building shows that there were other bombs inside the building. It was bombs placed inside the building that caused the damage to the Murrah building, not the truck bomb. The truck bomb was a diversion.

Also, seismic reports and eyewitness testimony support the fact that there were multiple blasts (ie, the truck bomb and the bombs inside the building).

4/26/2006 4:08:01 PM

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"What evidence are you talking about? Virtually no one is even presenting evidence against my position."

Yes, they have. Go back and reread your thread, this time making sure to read all of the discussion and evidence that you have missed and dismissed.

Regardless, the burden of proof is on you, little buddy. You're simply reposting the same posts over and over and over again in the hopes that repetition will convince people. It won't. You know what else won't? Running from question for 13 pages.

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"You clearly pick and choose which things to believe that come from the MSM."

For example.....?

4/26/2006 4:08:37 PM

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"The truck bomb was nowhere near powerful enough to do the damage that was done to the Murrah building. To take out support columns like that, explosive devices would need to be placed next to the support columns (not dozens of feet away in a truck). "

4/26/2006 4:09:15 PM

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"Regardless, the burden of proof is on you, little buddy."

In your world it is, apparantly because you have such great trust in the MSM and government.

Others, however, place the burden of proof on the government to prove its case, especially since the government has been caught lying to us over and over (eg, Iraq WMD threat).

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"For example.....?"

Uhh, did you not indicate that you don't believe the MSM reports about multiple unexploded bombs being removed from the Murrah building?

4/26/2006 4:13:14 PM

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"Virtually no one is even presenting evidence against my position. "

hey salis....i have said this PLENTY of times...enough that even you should have seen it by now. All evidence from any source that does not support your theory is evidence AGAINST your theroy.

For example, do you want us to produce evidence that Jews DIDNT plan and carry out 9/11? Fine...go to any news souce (hopefully you will choose something more reliable than an equivilent of prisinplanet.com)...but go to any news source that says arabs and al-queda carried out 9/11 and there you have your evidence. What you find there will be just as much proof as ANYTHING you have ever posted.

[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 4:14 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/26/2006 4:13:43 PM

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/burden-of-proof.html

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"Includes: Appeal to Ignorance ("Ad Ignorantiam") Description of Burden of Proof Burden of Proof is a fallacy in which the burden of proof is placed on the wrong side. Another version occurs when a lack of evidence for side A is taken to be evidence for side B in cases in which the burden of proof actually rests on side B. A common name for this is an Appeal to Ignorance. This sort of reasoning typically has the following form: 1. Claim X is presented by side A and the burden of proof actually rests on side B. 2. Side B claims that X is false because there is no proof for X. In many situations, one side has the burden of proof resting on it. This side is obligated to provide evidence for its position. The claim of the other side, the one that does not bear the burden of proof, is assumed to be true unless proven otherwise. The difficulty in such cases is determining which side, if any, the burden of proof rests on. In many cases, settling this issue can be a matter of significant debate. In some cases the burden of proof is set by the situation. For example, in American law a person is assumed to be innocent until proven guilty (hence the burden of proof is on the prosecution). As another example, in debate the burden of proof is placed on the affirmative team. As a final example, in most cases the burden of proof rests on those who claim something exists (such as Bigfoot, psychic powers, universals, and sense data). Examples of Burden of Proof 1. Bill: "I think that we should invest more money in expanding the interstate system." Jill: "I think that would be a bad idea, considering the state of the treasury." Bill: "How can anyone be against highway improvements?" 2. Bill: "I think that some people have psychic powers." Jill: "What is your proof?" Bill: "No one has been able to prove that people do not have psychic powers." 3. "You cannot prove that God does not exist, so He does." "

4/26/2006 4:19:23 PM

This creates the question, Is McVeigh actually dead? Once the government got what the needed out of McVeigh, who is to say they did not put on a fake execution and let him go?

[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 4:20 PM. Reason : asd]

4/26/2006 4:19:38 PM

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"In your world it is, apparantly because you have such great trust in the MSM and government."

As soon as you prove something I'll agree with you on it. Right now the media has a hell of a lot better track record than you do.

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"Uhh, did you not indicate that you don't believe the MSM reports about multiple unexploded bombs being removed from the Murrah building?"

Are you wrong in the head, boy? I said that initial reports are often wrong. This is not indicative of the media lying, it is a result of not being able to get all of the facts immediately following a disaster.

Theres also redundancy in the media, there are many different news agencies that all pursue information independently. Going straight to Alex Jones for info isn't quite as trustworthy.

However, the media doesn't make up stories, like your little keylogger theory.

Also, I can send an email to any news agency and, more than likely, I'll get a reply answering questions for me. You can't do that.

Could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

Why is it spamming if I repeat unanswered questions, but it's ok for you to repost the same article in the same thread five times?

4/26/2006 4:21:05 PM

^^ thats true!!

My uncle told me he saw him walking around in asheville!! You cant prove he didnt see him soo....it must be true

[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 4:22 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/26/2006 4:21:29 PM

I HAVE A ROCKET SHIP FOR A PENIS

PROVE I DON'T

4/26/2006 4:24:21 PM

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"but go to any news source that says arabs and al-queda carried out 9/11 and there you have your evidence"

Look. 7-8 of the named "hijackers" later turned out to be alive after 9/11. FBI director Robert Mueller has admitted that many of the named "hijackers" were framed.

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/21/inv.id.theft/

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"Expert: Hijackers likely skilled with fake IDs September 21, 2001 CNN) -- FBI Director Robert Mueller has acknowledged that some of those behind last week's terror attacks may have stolen the identification of other people, and, according to at least one security expert, it may have been "relatively easy" based on their level of sophistication."

If the named Arab "hijackers" were framed, who framed them? The government hasn't said. They haven't even tried to find out, and the MSM hasn't said much about this at all.

And what evidence is there that 19 Arabs and bin Laden carried out the 9/11 attacks because they "hate our freedom"? The fact that the MSM and government flashed the names and pictures of 19 Arabs and bin Laden on television, accusing them of being guilty? The phony bin Laden tapes?

The video and audio tapes supposedly proving bin Laden's guilt are fake and were obviously used to attempt to frame him.

ALL THE EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT BIN LADEN AND THE 19 NAMED "HIJACKERS" WERE FRAMED. NOW, WHO ARE THE REAL CULPRITS?

4/26/2006 4:28:36 PM

[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 4:33 PM. Reason : wrong]

4/26/2006 4:31:45 PM

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"Look. 7-8 of the named "hijackers" later turned out to be alive after 9/11."

because they couldn't have had the arabic equivalent of JOHN FUCKING SMITH YOU GODDAMNED IDIOT

MY FUCKING GOD I WISH YOU WOULD DROP FUCKING DEAD

YOU ARE CONTAMINATING OUR GENE POOL WITH DOUBLE DOMINANT STUPID GENES

4/26/2006 4:32:51 PM

4/26/2006 4:35:21 PM

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"And what evidence is there that 19 Arabs and bin Laden carried out the 9/11 attacks because they "hate our freedom"?"

No, they don't hate us....durrrrr

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"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

Why would they want to kill Americans?

4/26/2006 4:37:46 PM

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"because they couldn't have had the arabic equivalent of JOHN FUCKING SMITH YOU GODDAMNED IDIOT"

What's your point? That the 7-8 men initially identified as "hijackers" who turned up alive after 9/11 just had the same name as the real "hijackers" but were a different person? I don't think so. These 7-8 men were clearly the same men originally accused. That's why FBI director Mueller had to come out and admit that the perpetrators of the attacks used fake identities. Those 7-8 men's identities were stolen. Someone tried to frame them.

4/26/2006 4:41:12 PM

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"I HAVE A ROCKET SHIP FOR A PENIS PROVE I DON'T "

AN INDEPENDENT SOURCE (SPEAKING ON CONIDITION OF ANNONYMITY FOR FEAR OF RETRIBUTION FROM ZIONIST ANTI-ROCKETSHIP ALIENS) HAS CONFIRMED THIS TO BE TRUE!!

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""Expert: Hijackers likely skilled with fake IDs September 21, 2001 CNN) -- FBI Director Robert Mueller has acknowledged that some of those behind last week's terror attacks may have stolen the identification of other people, and, according to at least one security expert, it may have been "relatively easy" based on their level of sophistication.""

Lord...how many times have we seen this posted??....

and who framed them?? probablythe zionist anti-rocketship aliens!!!!

[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 4:44 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/26/2006 4:43:27 PM

Can I get a response to this one? What do you make of it Sherlock?

The NWO trying to frame bin Laden?

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"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

4/26/2006 4:46:20 PM

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"and who framed them?? probablythe zionist anti-rocketship aliens!!!! "

Set up strawman arguments much?

4/26/2006 4:48:30 PM

Ignore evidence much?

Can I get a response to this one? What do you make of it Sherlock?

The NWO trying to frame bin Laden?

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"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

4/26/2006 4:50:17 PM

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"Ignore evidence much? "

No. I ignore trolls much.

4/26/2006 4:51:05 PM

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4/26/2006 4:52:40 PM

SLANDER SLANDER SLANDER

Your hipocrisy cracks me up! I present something legitimate that doesn't help your theory, so you try to dismiss me with childish namecalling.

Thats why he's my little buddy!

Can I get a response to this one? What do you make of it Sherlock?

The NWO trying to frame bin Laden?

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"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

4/26/2006 4:53:07 PM

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"scrollside scrollside"

And who created that problem?

4/26/2006 4:57:06 PM

http://www.google.com/search?q=it+was+caused+by+a+gaint+picture+and+really+fucking+long+links+that+are+really+long&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

[Edited on April 26, 2006 at 4:58 PM. Reason : .]

4/26/2006 4:58:15 PM

No, bin Laden didn't have any motive to carry out the 9/11 attacks.

Its not like he issued a fatwah or anything urging muslims to kill americans.

Keep ignoring evidence, little buddy.

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"Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans Published in Al-Quds al-'Arabi on Febuary 23, 1998 Statement signed by Sheikh Usamah Bin-Muhammad Bin-Ladin; Ayman al-Zawahiri, leader of the Jihad Group in Egypt; Abu- Yasir Rifa'i Ahmad Taha, a leader of the Islamic Group; Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jamiat-ul-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh ... All these crimes and sins committed by the Americans are a clear declaration of war on God, his messenger, and Muslims. And ulema have throughout Islamic history unanimously agreed that the jihad is an individual duty if the enemy destroys the Muslim countries. This was revealed by Imam Bin-Qadamah in "Al- Mughni," Imam al-Kisa'i in "Al- Bada'i," al-Qurtubi in his interpretation, and the shaykh of al-Islam in his books, where he said "As for the militant struggle, it is aimed at defending sanctity and religion, and it is a duty as agreed. Nothing is more sacred than belief except repulsing an enemy who is attacking religion and life." On that basis, and in compliance with God's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies--civilians and military--is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty God, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God." This is in addition to the words of Almighty God "And why should ye not fight in the cause of God and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated and oppressed--women and children, whose cry is 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will help!'" We -- with God's help -- call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson."

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm

4/26/2006 5:00:28 PM

im pretty sure that salisburyboy is just doing all of this for laughs like me

4/26/2006 5:02:53 PM

i think so too

thats why i find it funny that duke keeps saying you need a time-out when you're just following this guy's lead...

4/26/2006 5:05:53 PM

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"Set up strawman arguments much?"

...are you kidding me??

the funny thing is...he think im being seriuos with that??....thats just how "out there" he is...this is a conceivable argument to him

HEY SALIS!!!...STOP POSING CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT ZIONIST MUSLIMS CONTROLLED BY ALIENS WHO ARE REALLY JEWS!!!!

oh...AND STOP WITH THE SMEAR TACTICS!!!

also...STOP WITH "STRAWMAN MUCH???" CRAP!!!

in addition...YOU CANT WIN ARGUEMENTS BASED ON A PERSONS GRAMMAR


also....YOU STILL HAVENT GIVEN ME MY UNDENIABLE CONCLUSIVE PROOF!!! AS SOON AS YOU DO...I WILL LEAVE YOU ALONE!!

4/26/2006 5:13:53 PM

salisburyboy, there's a wikipedia entry devoted to you, that states you graduated from NCSU in 2002.

what have you been doing for a living for the past 4 years? I'm sure Mr. Jones isn't paying you a salary to copy and paste his conspiracies on message boards

4/26/2006 5:50:40 PM

bttt

4/26/2006 8:58:57 PM

last i heard, he was in law school but i dunno if he graduated. his real name is matthew williams

4/26/2006 9:36:49 PM

4/26/2006 10:44:40 PM

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"last i heard, he was in law school but i dunno if he graduated. his real name is matthew williams"

Ironically, he will be working for the law firm of Greenberg, Stein, and Schwartz.

4/26/2006 11:11:43 PM

i hear stein retired
horowitz is their new partner

4/26/2006 11:18:05 PM

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"im pretty sure that salisburyboy is just doing all of this for laughs like me"

If I was doing this "just for laughs", why take all the time to compile and post the best arguments and evidence against the "official" story? Everyone can see that I'm dead serious about this.

4/27/2006 8:01:55 AM