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" Unfortunately bringing up some of the conversations needed to fully understand the issues at hand involve topics that not only make people uncomfortable but turns off any logical reasoning with instead people yelling racism, hater, etc for important topics that need to be discussed."

This is essentially why I hate liberalism/HuffingtonPost. There isn't discussion on causes, problems, and solutions, there is only victimization where the victims are used for political leverage... which is pretty disgusting.

One political party suggests you aren't an individual, you are simply a member of a "victimized" class and should be dependent on the government to free you from the "oppression" of the vague scapegoat of societal racism, the evil 1%, or the current sensationalized media story that represents 0.001% of reality yet receives 100% of media coverage.

As we have seen from the brain-dead, bleeding-heart liberals on this board, you aren't allowed to differentiate between false-narrative and reality, or discuss the entire scope of factors involved... anything that isn't a http://www.huffingtonpost.com link + a condescending, morally self-righteous rant defending whoever is the current "vitcim"... is met with baseless accusations of "RACIST SHITBAG".

12/28/2015 12:30:31 AM

So, give all your kids white names. Seems appropriate for the white privilege thread.

12/28/2015 3:49:38 AM

JCE you have yet to address any problems. I'm sure someone would address them if you shared your thoughts.

12/28/2015 6:44:59 AM

so, JCE, what is the other party (I hate that this is just a two-party system) doing to alleviate the problem with the blacks (if you think there is even one)? or is this just another thing where Obama is operating the gov't in God Mode?

12/28/2015 9:51:47 AM

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"the evil 1%, or the current sensationalized media story that represents 0.001% of reality yet receives 100% of media coverage."

LOL, nice statistics. I see you didn't take a break from your TWW rants over the holidays. Why is this so important to you that you've probably typed the equivalent of a large novel on TWW?

I think it's about time that people start ignoring this loon.

12/28/2015 10:09:30 AM

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"As we have seen from the brain-dead, bleeding-heart liberals on this board, you aren't allowed to differentiate between false-narrative and reality, or discuss the entire scope of factors involved... anything that isn't a http://www.huffingtonpost.com link + a condescending, morally self-righteous rant defending whoever is the current "vitcim"... is met with baseless accusations of "RACIST SHITBAG"."

so when people have made serious responses to you, what is your excuse for ignoring those responses? still just mad about being called a racist?

12/28/2015 10:42:47 AM

Another Sikh gets beaten by people thinking he's a Muslim

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article51817840.html

12/28/2015 1:59:17 PM

Fresno is such a dump

12/28/2015 2:30:59 PM

Its no Brooklyn

12/28/2015 3:10:55 PM

Fresno is the Brooklyn of the California desert.

Or

I live in the Fresno of Brooklyn.

12/28/2015 3:29:26 PM

How many time must I read the phrase "false narrative"

12/28/2015 3:40:10 PM

Abunch

12/28/2015 3:45:28 PM

Look, y'all. I get that you think these guys are racist losers or whatever. But you could go out there and find some common ground with them. I'm sure y'all agree on some things.

I mean, it took HUR like two seconds of adulthood before he was trying to walk away from a house...and that was after years of his "personal responsibility" rants and shit.


We can all find a place to meet, guys!

[Edited on December 28, 2015 at 3:50 PM. Reason : Wait. Was it HUR or that other racist dude...? LOL]

12/28/2015 3:48:28 PM

HUR is a sociopath. I haven't read a positive post from him regardless of the topic.

JCE seems upset about narratives.

12/28/2015 4:13:17 PM

All narratives are false. Read Ulysses u coons

12/28/2015 4:18:53 PM

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"LOL, nice statistics. I see you didn't take a break from your TWW rants over the holidays. Why is this so important to you that you've probably typed the equivalent of a large novel on TWW? I think it's about time that people start ignoring this loon."

My new year's resolution is to start agreeing with Bullet more often. I've decided to start a few days early.

12/28/2015 6:24:28 PM

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"HUR is a sociopath."

everyone online is a sociopath

12/28/2015 6:51:44 PM

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"I think it's about time that people start ignoring this loon."

I'd actually prefer posters like you do that... because you clearly are incapable of actually discussing anything. Funny how you reply so often to my activity yet you are apparently incapable of actually replying to my posts... you criticize me, my intelligence, my time wasted posting here, call me a racist, claim I'm a flouride lunatic, replying to anything but the actual point I make in a post. I'm not sure why my posts upset you so much, maybe you should ignore them if you can't argue against them? I'm sure the comments section in an echo-chamber like HuffPost would be a safer space for you.

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"so, JCE, what is the other party (I hate that this is just a two-party system) doing to alleviate the problem with the blacks"

A valid point, I wouldn't say they have done enough. I would argue that the root cause problems that they would need to address aren't allowed to be discussed because one party has implemented this super sensitive PC climate where they throw out accusations of ____ism and ____phobia for political leverage, which does more harm than good when it comes to having honest discussions about sensitive issues.

12/28/2015 9:06:59 PM

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"I'd actually prefer posters like you do that... because you clearly are incapable of actually discussing anything. Funny how you reply so often to my activity yet you are apparently incapable of actually replying to my posts... you criticize me, my intelligence, my time wasted posting here, call me a racist, claim I'm a flouride lunatic, replying to anything but the actual point I make in a post. I'm not sure why my posts upset you so much, maybe you should ignore them if you can't argue against them? I'm sure the comments section in an echo-chamber like HuffPost would be a safer space for you."

you really should go back and re-read your posts when your manic phase cools down. for the rest of us, you sound like you're in the middle of a bad acid trip and caught up in some insane thought loops.

12/28/2015 9:24:12 PM

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"I would argue that the root cause problems that they would need to address aren't allowed to be discussed because one party has implemented this super sensitive PC climate where they throw out accusations of ____ism and ____phobia for political leverage, which does more harm than good when it comes to having honest discussions about sensitive issues."

What specifically is preventing them from discussing these topics?

12/29/2015 10:35:54 AM

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" because you clearly are incapable of actually discussing anything."

Another reminder that JCE2011 still hasn't rresponded to any of the series replies people have made

12/29/2015 10:45:14 AM

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""I would argue that the root cause problems that they would need to address aren't allowed to be discussed because one party has implemented this super sensitive PC climate where they throw out accusations of ____ism and ____phobia for political leverage, which does more harm than good when it comes to having honest discussions about sensitive issues.""

And the "other party" has as their frontrunner a guy that called for ______s to be be registered, barred from entering the country, and anywhere they congregate to be bugged. If you don't recognize this as ____phobia you are delusional, dumb, and/or blind.

12/29/2015 12:41:37 PM

And part of the reason he became so popular was because he is going against the PC climate the left has created.

If you can't differentiate between Trump's stupid Muslim comments, and virtually any discussion on a racial topic, you are delusional, dumb, and/or blind.

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"What specifically is preventing them from discussing these topics?"

The liberal tactic of accusing someone of "not caring" of "victim blaming" of being a "racist bigot" anytime you don't play by the PC rules they have implemented.

We all know if a candidate addressed #BLM with a plan to encourage black fathers raising children then the outrage culture would set in and they would lose political points as every other candidate would have to condone/tweet/apologize for such an "insensitive" topic being brought up.

Meanwhile Bernie Sanders wants to give everyone free money and free college, so they can all go major in lesbian-art-studies, then get pissed when they don't get a job, then Bernie can give them $15 an hour for their unskilled labor as they wait tables, and continue to blame the societal scapegoats or the evil 1% that made them make bad decisions.

For the context of #BLM, we see how discussion is prevented in the Mizzou "safe space", and essentially any political rally when there isn't "discussion" but simply a demand for lip-service.

12/29/2015 2:02:16 PM

I would never pay jce2011 by the word

12/29/2015 2:08:49 PM

^^
To summarize:
"I'm racist because other people tell me racism is wrong"

Lol right...

12/29/2015 2:18:17 PM

this dude isn't even pretending to be serious now, why is anyone engaging him with serious replies

12/29/2015 2:26:36 PM

I'm on my phone and can't address all the JCE word vomit but...

What's PC or Un-PC about preventing an entire religion's population from entering the country? How does that even fall on the spectrum of what's PC or not?

12/29/2015 2:31:55 PM

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""What specifically is preventing them from discussing these topics?" The liberal tactic of accusing someone of "not caring" of "victim blaming" of being a "racist bigot" anytime you don't play by the PC rules they have implemented. "

I don't understand specifically why this actually is preventing them from discussing these things. Sounds like they are using excuses and playing victim to the left.

12/29/2015 2:35:26 PM

^ this.

Being called a communist fag pussy boy by abunch of knuckle draggers really doesn't effect me. I guess that's just me doh.

12/29/2015 2:56:27 PM

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"this dude isn't even pretending to be serious now, why is anyone engaging him with serious replies"

12/29/2015 5:04:27 PM

Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt. Hes still crazy enough to think that better parenting could solve the blm issues.

12/29/2015 7:25:43 PM

See above.

12/29/2015 7:46:02 PM

dudes just phoning it in at this point and you scrubs are going after it

12/29/2015 8:23:02 PM

I havent posted a serious response to either of those idiots in months.

I suggest you all do the same.

12/29/2015 8:50:30 PM

But the thing is, even if hes not for real, a lot of americans think the exact same thing. My newsfeed is full of it.

12/29/2015 11:54:53 PM

Black lives matter is working!! Trump and his supporters are not going to like this...



[Edited on December 30, 2015 at 12:05 AM. Reason : ]

12/30/2015 12:05:38 AM

percentage of statistics that matter: 0

12/30/2015 1:58:09 AM

My interpretation of this is that all that has happened is that folks have started believing in the false narratives being perpetuated by some of the media and #BLM antagonists. Any counter opinion to the sob story of "cops just pick on black people" or "African American students are oppressed at Mizzou" are met with vicious rabid screams of "RACIST", "BIGOT", "INTOLERANT KNUCKLE DRAGGER". Thus people who may have been content white or black in years past are buying into the story that there is a problem due to all that is being portrayed as true.

Do I think there really are issues in this country that need to be changed to benefit ALL of society and ALL lives, yes....
- Police need more oversight to correct abuse of power and need to be refreshed on their duty to Protect and Serve not Harass, Arrest, and $Profit.
- The Drug War has failed and needs to be eliminated.
- Focusing sentencing for minor offenders on rehabilitation then punishment.
- Expand government access to higher education for meaningful degrees not bullshit degrees from random profit universities.

In 2015 do I think...
- There are pockets of racism against blacks in some areas that need to be investigated and eliminated. Yes
- Is there some an overall country-wide conspiracy and hidden-agenda by the governments and police specifically targeting African Americans No
- Are the power brokers in this country and as a country over-all do white politicians plot to hold African-Americans down. No
- Are some African-Americans racist against whites and discriminate against whites in some circumstances. Yes
- In the modern day does every African-American have the ability and tools to achieve (granted they may face more obstacles then the average "privileged middle class white kid growing up with two supportive parents) and excel in modern society. Yes.
- Do some within the African-American community act in ways to perpetuate negative stereotypes and voluntarily and consciously make poor decisions to the determent of their futures that are unrelated to some hidden conspiracy by the "system" to hold them down. Yes

12/30/2015 10:47:20 AM

Cool, I really wanted to know where you stand on all this.

12/30/2015 11:17:40 AM

^^I can relate to your point of view about some of this stuff.

My friend's brother is gay, and it always blew my mind that my friend and her parents were sill opposed to his right to marry. A couple years later, it was trendy to support gay rights, and they felt entirely justified in confronting me about how I was still eating Chick-fil-A...you know, cause I'm such a huge bigot, and more importantly, they're perfectly loving and tolerant people.


That said, I think just a couple tweaks in your approach could make your point of view a lot more persuasive. For instance, you consistently--for years now--have placed a huge emphasis on the choices that individual African Americans make and how those choices are detrimental to their ability to succeed. But why do you do that?

Don't people of all races make stupid decisions? (We do.)

So, when discussing broad issues like racism and access to the means of mobility, what value is there in mentioning the fact that some black people make bad choices? I mean, that's a given. And it seems racist when you can't stop talking about givens, especially when you talk about those givens as if they are only true for black people.

Most importantly, for me at least, you come off as ugly, petty, and mean-spirited. And I'm suspicious of anyone who wants me to join them in finger-pointing a race of people.

[Edited on December 30, 2015 at 11:25 AM. Reason : ^LOL]

12/30/2015 11:21:05 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/12/30/race-affects-opinions-about-whether-college-athletes-should-be-paid-heres-how/

This is interesting, the article is overstating the effect, but there's clearly a sizeable number of whites that hate black athletes.

Literally everyone I know, afaik, supports additional compensation for athletes, but I've never discussed what compensation really means in this context.

^^^
The public can and does buy into false narratives (iraq war, welfare queens, Muslims are evil, immigrants ruining country, literally anything trump talks about), but your hypothesis that racial discrimination is a false narrative is easily rejected by looking at the multitude of studies that show persistent and pervasive systemic prejudices against the minority group in this country.

12/30/2015 12:32:07 PM

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"Even if you give him the benefit of the doubt. Hes still crazy enough to think that better parenting could solve the blm issues."

Not "better parenting" but "parenting". If you want to attribute race to a thing like "privilege" then attribute race to the main factors that determine success. Naturally suggesting such a thing is "crazy" to liberals.

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"I havent posted a serious response to either of those idiots in months."

I don't think you ever had an actual reply longer than 1 sentence. Serious responses/discussions aren't really your forte. You are really good at posting anecdotal links in an echo-chamber though. Or stalking HUR's posts.

12/30/2015 3:25:30 PM

12/30/2015 3:28:09 PM

12/30/2015 3:57:45 PM

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"I don't understand specifically why this actually is preventing them from discussing these things. Sounds like they are using excuses and playing victim to the left."

I think the main problem is how these vague and broad issues are framed.

I think you can have meaningful discussions on how to help mitigate the lingering wealth disparity and cycle of poverty, but when the issue is degraded to "How do we stop cops from occasionally shooting thugs" and then we turn it into a racial issue and a semantics hashtag bitchfest, nothing gets done.

12/30/2015 3:58:02 PM

12/30/2015 3:59:29 PM

"How do we stop cops from shooting 12 year olds with toy guns"

12/30/2015 4:10:17 PM

I've finally done it! I have broken through all the liberal defense lines!

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"How to argue outside of the echo chamber for Liberals: 1. Post exaggerated/false victim story links from HuffPost 2. Accuse opposition of racism 3. Attack the straw man argument "racism doesn't exist" 4. Unmerited personal insults/attacks 5. Cover your ears and Spam Spam Spam Spam"

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""How do we stop cops from shooting 12 year olds with toy guns""

That isn't divisive enough.

How do we stop racist white cops from executing 12 year old black boys with toys. I'm going to start a hashtag and demand lip service, that will solve the problem, also if you don't pay lip service, you're a racist!

[Edited on December 30, 2015 at 4:14 PM. Reason : .]

12/30/2015 4:12:19 PM

dbl pst

[Edited on December 30, 2015 at 4:14 PM. Reason : .]

12/30/2015 4:14:12 PM

hashtags - the republican kryptonite. apparently the republican party is ineffective when these, combined with name-calling, are used.

#PussyParty
#Victims
#Racists

12/30/2015 4:16:53 PM