SN column is definitely more of an attack on Emmert than Carolina.

8/13/2012 4:57:47 PM

Quote :

"i wish i had taken precalc in 12th grade instead of computer science i mean, not really, but it wouldve made MA141 a little easier"

taking precal and calc in high school didnt help in ma141

taking java did turn me off of programming for life though

8/13/2012 5:11:04 PM

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"The Daily Tar Heel @dailytarheel On possible evidence of AFAM troubles at #UNC pre-2000, @chanthorp said: "We never said it just started in 2007." http://bit.ly/PQ0j7y "

lolwut

8/13/2012 5:17:21 PM

Also just noticed that the Daily Tarheel has the transcripts linked as pdfs. Curious as to if this is a FERPA violation since the paper is funded by the school.

8/13/2012 5:19:35 PM

^^ "yeah. that's only as far back as we want to look. come on, guys!"

8/13/2012 5:21:04 PM

how stupid are these people? you expect can maybe understand this idiocy out of a wake tech fanboy with access to peppers' transcripts but why are carl carey and holden thorp running their mouths and digging the hole deeper?

don't get me wrong, it's way more entertaining this way but I can't believe we aren't getting "no comments" as they try to sweep this under the rug

8/13/2012 5:41:16 PM

If this transcript is actually peppers', then there is exactly zero chance this gets swept under the rug. Breaking federal laws isn't a joke.

But I don't think the DTH could get in trouble, since they didn't release the records. They are acting as members of the press and reporting what was publicly available information.

8/13/2012 5:55:53 PM

they wouldnt get in trouble anyways...the only thing that can happen in terms of FERPA is the school losing federal funding.

The biggest thing that can come of the transcript at this point is if he was ineligible and played basketball & football, vacating the wins from that/those seasons including any championships/. even by playing ONE game.

sure, the federal funding hurts...and adds to the academic side...but this may be the link that we have been waiting for in terms of linking it to the scandal.

8/13/2012 6:03:42 PM

None of that can happen until this transcript is proven to be real. That's why them breaking a federal law is a big deal to me. I don't care about funding. It will get investigated. If they are punished, that means this is actually peppers transcript. At that point the NCAA can discuss how this guy only maintained eligibility by taking a shit ton of no show classes.

It's pretty obvious unc isn't afraid to mislead/lie to the ncaa and the general public, but I doubt they do that in a federal investigation.

Maybe if they weren't so worried about releasing parking ticket records, they would have deleted this shit off the internet.

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 6:20 PM. Reason : FERPA'd]

8/13/2012 6:18:06 PM

its been confirmed its peppers...it matches to 34/36 classes on his transcript and the only two that dont were incompletes.

BTW...AFAM studies arent the only classes. There are more. This box UNC gave us as a Christmas Present is indeed, Pandora's.

not only was Carey hired recently as a PROFESSOR, but he was there steering Peppers...you dont think that Carey had many many more classes just like this?

Peppers couldnt pass Algebra...the classes he got A's and B's in were frauds as well.

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 6:29 PM. Reason : g]

8/13/2012 6:27:32 PM

never. stops. giving.

8/13/2012 6:27:43 PM

Quote :

"SN column is definitely more of an attack on Emmert than Carolina."

I haven't heard anything about the NCAA reopening an investigation so somebody should be on the attack. What, is the NCAA just going to let this one slide?

8/13/2012 6:37:34 PM

The NCAA is notoriously efficient with these things so I'm quite surprised they haven't gone judge, jury and executioner in the 8 hours this story has been out there.

8/13/2012 6:48:06 PM

The multiple no show classes story is only 8 hours old? Oh, my bad.

Edit: For some reason people are acting like this only got real with JP's transcript.

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 6:50 PM. Reason : -]

8/13/2012 6:49:22 PM

I think that article is very critical of emmert/the ncaa because of how harsh they came down on penn state (who broke no ncaa rules) when they are sitting back basically doing nothing to unc (who has basically been caught doing every single thing possible against the rules).

8/13/2012 6:51:17 PM

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"chapeltbdvheel Recruit 3 posts this site Ignore this Member Send Private Message Posted: Today 9:34 AM Re: Why is Julius Peppers transcript online at UNC's .edu site? This is ridiculous. How was this left open to be seen by the public? I'm all for boycotting the school at this point. Pep was done wrong by those who work for the university."

lost it .... /snort

8/13/2012 6:58:34 PM

breaking news from gunzz@thewolfweb.com

8/13/2012 7:14:44 PM

Ahh meant to post in the IC thread oops

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 7:51 PM. Reason : ]

8/13/2012 7:50:54 PM

no real new info, but another story from the national media

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/08/13/unc-peppers-transcript.ap/index.html

8/13/2012 8:16:32 PM

Quote :

"Edit: For some reason people are acting like this only got real with JP's transcript."

Sorry for being a dick earlier, but it kind of did. Before there was nothing concrete linking this to anything but the football program. And, as such, no one nationally cared because no one nationally gives a flying fuck about UNC football. It's not a big deal to anyone outside the Raleigh city limits. But now that there is a tie to basketball (and yes, most people do know JP played basketball too) the national media will start to care as evidenced by the Sporting News article.

** Also helps that Pepper's is probably the biggest name since the cokehead statutory rapist to come out of UNC in football

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 8:58 PM. Reason : x]

8/13/2012 8:53:48 PM

packpride digs up yet another nugget

Quote :

"Found this on Wikipedia and died laughing... John Skipper is the president of ESPN Inc. and co-chairman of Disney Media Networks as of January 1, 2012. In June 1997, Skipper became senior vice president and general manager of ESPN the Magazine. Since October 2005, he has served as executive vice president of content. Skipper attended Lexington High School in Lexington, North Carolina. He then attended UNC-Chapel Hill and earned a bachelor's degree in African-Afro-American Studies. After receiving his master's degree in the same field from Columbia University, he went to work for Rolling Stone, starting as a secretary but moving up. He also worked for Us and Spin before becoming senior vice president of Disney Publishing Group.[1]"

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 8:56 PM. Reason : .]

nm, apparently someone edited wikipedia

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:00 PM. Reason : lol, though]

8/13/2012 8:56:10 PM

I guess I had made the assumption that the basketball program was implicated as soon as it was determined that the african american studies classes were a fraud and that many bb players took those courses. That's to say the whole JP thing isn't anything new with respect to bb, it just shows that the fraud may extend back further than expected.

8/13/2012 8:57:35 PM

Quote :

"Before there was nothing concrete linking this to anything but the football program."

No, there was. The fraudulent class roles showed classes that BB players (esp. '09 players) were enrolled.

8/13/2012 8:58:04 PM

To my knowledge UNC claimed, and I guess people bought it, that that was restricted to "rogue" department heads. To me, this new information makes that impossible to claim and links a football AND basketball player back to 1999 having this done. That kinda makes it clear that it has to be a systemic abuse throughout the athletic department over multiple college "generations."

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:02 PM. Reason : x]

8/13/2012 9:02:01 PM

For those who didn't get a chance to see the original files before UNCCH locked them down, Google should have cached versions up for awhile at:

http://www.google.com/search?q=*+site%3Aunc.edu%2Fsis

---

Quote :

"Lionheart: Also just noticed that the Daily Tarheel has the transcripts linked as pdfs. Curious as to if this is a FERPA violation since the paper is funded by the school."

Naw, DTH separated from UNCCH financially awhile ago. Their office isn't even in a University building anymore. No FERPA violation on their part IMO.

The University itself on the other hand... oh dear.

8/13/2012 9:02:17 PM

UNC is goin down.
-- TGD

8/13/2012 9:05:35 PM

^
You forgot the exclamation points

Quote :

"TGD: UNC is going down!!1"

Seriously though, I'll be surprised if Holden Thorp is still around by the end of the year. I realize the Board of Governors has no interest in investigating "The Flagship" (lmao) but UNCCH claiming the fake transcript mentioned by the N&O a couple days ago wasn't that of a real student seems ever-so-slightly dishonest when only 2 grades are changed between the two documents.


[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:10 PM. Reason : and it makes me thank God Almighty I got my Comp Sci degree from NCSU instead of UNCCH ]

8/13/2012 9:08:29 PM

it's been 8 years since that thing. I at least remembered that "down" had some emphasis, lol

8/13/2012 9:15:51 PM

Quote :

"in on page 1 230 burn the fuckers to the ground"

me, 7/15/10

it feels like every day, this just keeps getting better.

as an aside, did anyone ever explain what "quality points" are at UNC?

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:22 PM. Reason : .]

8/13/2012 9:21:23 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/08/13/2267755/peppers-agent-many-student-athletes.html

poor wittle athletes feel so intimidated in the classroom beside all the smart kiddos


YEA RIGHT

8/13/2012 9:21:27 PM

That's actually a valid point. Now if me or you were put on a D-1A football field we'd probably get physically hurt, but it's not a terrible analogy. These morons who can barely read shouldn't be in classes with the likes of valedictorians and even 3.5 high school students.

That doesn't excuse UNC in the least, of course. But it's not the players fault that the system is rigged the way it is. I'm sure it's not easy on really dumb guys like Peppers.

8/13/2012 9:25:02 PM

No one is blaming Julius Peppers

8/13/2012 9:26:21 PM

Quote :

"whtmike2k: as an aside, did anyone ever explain what "quality points" are at UNC?"

Same as at NCSU:
A = 4 QP
B = 3 QP
C = 2 QP
D = 1 QP

with the +/- knocking those respective amounts up/down a third. They multiply that by the credit hours of the course to determine the total QPs earned, then take the sum of all the QPs divided by the sum of all non-pass/fail classes to come up with the cumulative GPA

8/13/2012 9:26:41 PM

thats why wiley was there. these guys don't give a crap about the classroom

unc has created a system to make non-eligible athletes able to play and im sure it's presented to them as that during recruitment. they dont go in and say "why dont you go to a JC for a year and get used to the classroom and then come to us."

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:32 PM. Reason : la]

8/13/2012 9:26:50 PM

^^^^ maybe the schools should worry about recruiting players who are academically capable of performing decently at the school then... I mean, they are supposed to be student athletes, after all...

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:30 PM. Reason : ]

8/13/2012 9:30:20 PM

It's the system, man. The reward is high, the risk is low.

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:32 PM. Reason : suspension of disbelief ITT]

8/13/2012 9:32:21 PM

Quote :

"That's actually a valid point. Now if me or you were put on a D-1A football field we'd probably get physically hurt, but it's not a terrible analogy. These morons who can barely read shouldn't be in classes with the likes of valedictorians and even 3.5 high school students. That doesn't excuse UNC in the least, of course. But it's not the players fault that the system is rigged the way it is. I'm sure it's not easy on really dumb guys like Peppers. "

wtf? these morons shouldn't be there if they can't cut it academically on their own. i played football and loved it in high school. i didn't try out at state because i was 5' 8" and 145lbs on a good day. know what i did instead? i went into a major appropriate for me, passed and graduated with a computer science degree. it isn't some "system" out to get anyone... good grief uncch was bending over backwards to make sure these guys could sleep their way through majors that were already easy to begin with.

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:38 PM. Reason : ]

8/13/2012 9:37:12 PM

^ exactly. not only that, but these guys have a freakin tutoring program that all of those "valedictorians around them" don't have. and that doesn't even include when the tutors are doing the work for them

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:39 PM. Reason : ]

8/13/2012 9:38:18 PM

If you grow up a poor black kid in bumfuck and a D1 coach gives you a full ride promising you all the white girls and Chryslers and a shot at the NFL, you should definitely turn it down because aaronburro and his internet girlfriend will call you out from their ivory tower.

8/13/2012 9:41:29 PM

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"what's also so amazing is how FERPA supposedly prevents UNCCHEAT from even confirming/denying that actual students attend their school, but his damn transcript is out there, which ACTUALLY IS, according to my understanding, a violation of FERPA!!!!"

throwing out the fact I'm a State fan, how does this happen? whoever did this should be fired unless a pissed off employee decided to expose the school

8/13/2012 9:41:30 PM

Quote :

"it isn't some "system" out to get anyone."

Which isn't what I said. Break some rules and make tens of millions of dollars in football money. This is the system and UNC bought into it.

8/13/2012 9:42:44 PM

^^
So back in 2007 someone in UNCCH's IT Department was tasked with putting together screen shots of one of their "Track what you need to graduate" systems. Since Julius Peppers was apparently a piss poor student, someone in IT copied the resulting HTML file from pulling up his transcript into the Student Information Services ("/sis/") directory, with the plan of duplicating the file, editing some of the ensuing contents, and putting the edited file up as a sample.

It's a very common computer programming technique to save time -- take an existing file, duplicate it, modify the duplicate, delete the original. Except three things went wrong: (1) the original never got deleted, (2) the /sis/ directory was never password-protected, and (3) they never even put an index.htm file in the directory (which loads on default whenever the directory is viewed in a web browser).

So anyone typing in "https://www.unc.edu/sis/" prior to today would get to see the entire directory contents themselves in a list view (the default when there's no index file), and apparently could have done that at any time in the past 5 years. Google also had the ability to crawl the directory without a problem.

Not a pissed off employee, just an utterly incompetent employee

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM. Reason : ---]

8/13/2012 9:43:24 PM

i didn't quote you in the first place

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:44 PM. Reason : ^^]

8/13/2012 9:44:02 PM

Okay, whoever you were talking to didn't say that.

[Edited on August 13, 2012 at 9:45 PM. Reason : Indignation is not the intelligent response here, guys.]

8/13/2012 9:44:51 PM

^^^^ if that's what you took from my statement, then you must have logged onto the wrong account, face. im not saying kids should turn down scholarships "cause they're too stupid." I'm saying that if your intention is not to "embarrass athletes who can't keep up in class," then schools shouldn't introduce students into an academic environment in which they can't possibly succeed. The school is to blame, not the student. Then again, it's not like most of the athletes in question even give a rat's ass about school, anyway.



^^ if you've learned anything through this "investigation", it's that everything that went wrong over there was the result of a "rogue" element of some sort. therefor, this latest episode must be due to a rogue IT person.

8/13/2012 9:46:32 PM

julius peppers on his first day of class...

8/13/2012 9:49:59 PM

^ i know! i can only imagine how hard it was for him to endure all of the insults and indignities that come with fucking tons of college girls for several years. poor guy!

8/13/2012 9:54:17 PM

i don't think anybody blames Peppers

i think its more we're pissed off that UNC has been doing this shit for decades, while bragging out the other side of their mouths about how they do things the right way

if i was a dumbass-yet-physically-freak-gifted athlete like Peppers, i wouldn't feel uncomfortable in a classroom either...i'd be looking to bang 18 year old white girls while knowing my department chair would make sure i passed enough classes that i could still remain eligible to play ball

8/13/2012 10:05:33 PM

and here comes the part in which all the mouthbreathers pretend that every major school in the country doesnt have players who aren't up to par when it comes to academics

come on man

8/13/2012 10:07:22 PM

N&O article updated to include BOG quotes.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/08/13/2266292/transcript-in-unc-probe-may-be.html

Burley Mitchell, a former chief justice of the state Supreme Court and a member of the UNC system Board of Governors, said “the whole thing disturbs” him.

“The entire program over there has been an unguided situation,” Mitchell, a graduate of N.C. State, said Monday. “It doesn’t seem like anybody’s in charge.”

Further troubling Mitchell is that it seems that all the revelations are being uncovered and exposed by the N&O and Pack fans, not the UNC-CH administration and trustees.

“It just seems to keep coming and coming,” Mitchell said. “I wonder who is minding the store.”

The fraud is now the subject of an SBI investigation and a special review by the Board of Governors. The NCAA continues to offer no clues as to whether it will investigate. The university’s internal investigation is also continuing, and a special faculty committee, concerned that athletics have gotten out of control at the university, has called for an independent review.

Louis Bissette, the chairman of the special Board of Governors panel, said Monday the panel will delve into the latest revelations and any that follow.

“All I can say to you is we really mean to do this right,” he said, “and we mean to do it thoroughly and we mean to look at all relevant material.”

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/08/13/2266292/transcript-in-unc-probe-may-be.html#storylink=cpy

8/13/2012 10:08:52 PM