Didn't make up the recruit rankings Scout.com did. According to scout.com FSU has a roster made up of more raw talent. Go look it up yourself if you don't believe it.

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" making up shit is fun"

You should know it is all you do boner milker

1/16/2011 4:11:35 PM

We've been over this time and time again. They had 1 more 5* player than us. That's not a huge gap.

BC has less "Scout rated talent" than us. So what good does that do?

1/16/2011 4:13:53 PM

YOU CANNOT WIN BASKETBALL GAMES WITHOUT FIVE STAR PLAYERS



(or with them, apparently)

1/16/2011 4:16:58 PM

I dare you adder to do that for every ACC team.

I will guarantee you we will not be in cellar.

There are ACC schools that don't have a single 5* player.

1/16/2011 4:18:12 PM

V@ boozie's earlier post:bc was a much worse loss. How many conference games have been won on the road so far?

^You really don't get the point of why I listed that. Someone made the claim that we had the 2nd most talented roster in the ACC. In response I clearly showed UNC, FSU and Duke had more raw talent according to Scout.com.
If you really are that interested why don't you look it up. I proved my point a LOOOOOONG damn time ago.

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 4:25 PM. Reason : asdfasd]

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 4:26 PM. Reason : V we lost to a more talented team on their home floor get over it. ]

1/16/2011 4:19:22 PM

adder, do you think there are any moral victories we can take away from yesterday's game since FSU is loaded with talent?

1/16/2011 4:21:13 PM

Carolina won @ UVA
BC won @ Maryland
UVA @ VTech
Maryland @ Wake

That's through 3 games conference games for most. UVA and BC both has "less talent" and still won on the road.

UNC will win at GT tonight and Duke will win at NCSU Weds.

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 4:28 PM. Reason : I guess you forgot ACC teams CAN win on the road since Sid never does]

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 4:29 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2011 4:26:55 PM

adder, would you say Sidney Lowe needs even more raw talent before we can fairly judge his credibility?

also, can you answer if yesterday's loss was a moral victory?

Thanks in advance.

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 4:29 PM. Reason : ]]

1/16/2011 4:29:07 PM

Not bothering with OHBOYEEE DON BEEEEEEBE 2.0 it is just laughable how bad of a troll you are.
So road teams in the ACC are 4-15 in conference play (just tallied it up). Looks like Lowe isn't the only one having trouble winning on the road in conference?

1/16/2011 4:35:56 PM

Can't you just wait till the season is over?

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 4:40 PM. Reason : V lol seriously? You're too easy man]

1/16/2011 4:37:02 PM

^? Isn't that what I have been saying?

1/16/2011 4:37:57 PM

I don't understand the "wait til the season's over" line of thought. I don't think we should fire anyone until the season's over, but it's not like you can't make a judgment on coaching ability during the season. You don't need an entire season to tell that someone's not doing a good job. I don't think anyone can say from what they've seen so far that this team is moving in the right direction.

1/16/2011 4:50:07 PM

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"To this point Lowe hasn't finished above 10th in 4 years"

we finished 9th last year, genius

1/16/2011 5:06:53 PM

This thread has really opened my eyes to some data that I wasnt aware of before

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 5:13 PM. Reason : d]

1/16/2011 5:10:10 PM

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"we finished 9th last year, genius "

My apologies. How dare I shortchange Lowe on such an accomplishment.

1/16/2011 5:13:17 PM

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"I dare you adder to do that for every ACC team."

So I got curious and made a quick tally of four and five star recruits at all of the ACC programs. I did my best to remove transfers and other players who were no longer on the team but I could have easily missed something. *I DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT INJURIES BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO COMPLICATED* however I did try to note teams that had some key injuries in ()
So here is the list:
UNC- 36*
Duke- 32*
FSU- 35*
VT- 28* (a lot of injuries this year)
NCSU- 27*
Miami- 26*
WF- 25* (I was surprised could have missed a transfer or something)
CU- 25*
UVA- 24*(again injuries)
GT-17* (all the talent is in the NBA)
MD-15*
BC-12*

Avg # of stars is 25.166666. So we have a slightly better than average level of talent for the ACC this year.

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 5:18 PM. Reason : ha]

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 5:18 PM. Reason : adsf]

1/16/2011 5:14:01 PM

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"I don't understand the "wait til the season's over" line of thought. I don't think we should fire anyone until the season's over, but it's not like you can't make a judgment on coaching ability during the season. You don't need an entire season to tell that someone's not doing a good job. I don't think anyone can say from what they've seen so far that this team is moving in the right direction."

theyre holding out hope that lowe can pull off a dennis felton in the acc tournament and screw us over with another year of bad basketball

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 5:19 PM. Reason : who is our sundiata gaines?]

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 5:19 PM. Reason : and is the greensboro coliseum going to collapse?]

1/16/2011 5:18:54 PM

we finished 10th last year. same record as UNC but they swept us.

1/16/2011 5:18:56 PM

Great job bringing in all that average talent.

1/16/2011 5:19:32 PM

lol

1/16/2011 5:26:39 PM

It's not funny. adder just seriously bummed me out. I though recruiting was the ONE thing Skidney excelled in.

1/16/2011 5:30:42 PM

^^^^there was a 3-way tie for 9th boss

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 5:30 PM. Reason : FACT]

1/16/2011 5:30:43 PM

so we also finished tied for 11th?

1/16/2011 5:33:34 PM

85% of our 27* are underclassmen. In other words 85% of our talent is underclassmen... Think about that for a minute.
Considering when Lowe started we had about 17* I would say getting to roughly average level of ACC talent is an accomplishment.

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 5:38 PM. Reason : asdfsdf]

1/16/2011 5:35:04 PM

Are you guys really arguing where in the bottom we finished? Because I want in.

^ so you're saying we need really talented experienced guys to not get blown out by 20? Is it possible that coaching could somehow transcend this limitation?

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 5:36 PM. Reason : ?]

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 5:36 PM. Reason : ?]

1/16/2011 5:35:25 PM

Our best player is a senior.

UNC doesn't start a senior and only has 2 that are role players.

Other teams are young too ya know?

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"Considering when Lowe started we had about 17* I would say getting to roughly average level of ACC talent is an accomplishment. "

So Lowe had as much or more talent than three current teams when he started?

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 5:39 PM. Reason : I thought the cupboard was completely bare?]

1/16/2011 5:37:05 PM

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"Our best player is a senior. UNC doesn't start a senior and only has 2 that are role players. Other teams are young too ya know? "

Unc starts 2 Juniors, 2 Sophomores and 1 freshman...

We start 1 Senior 1 Sophomore and 3 freshman...
(unless we put Javi back in the starting lineup)
How many other teams in the ACC have started 3 freshman?

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" So Lowe had as much or more talent than three current teams when he started?"

And the ACC is currently down and most likely is down in the talent department as well. You can go back and do the ranking for when Lowe started but I am pretty sure it will show NCSU as one of the least talented teams in the league that year.

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"Our best player is a senior."

Who has played what 5-6 games? Thanks for weakening your own arguments.


[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 5:46 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/16/2011 5:45:00 PM

adder, can you refresh me on your actual stance on Sid? Not trolling, I think you're making your point (even though I disagree) very well.

1/16/2011 5:51:19 PM

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"Thanks for weakening your own arguments. "

LOL I would say you are doing that when you research the recruiting ranks and see that we are actually the 4th most talented team since VTech has 4 guys out for the year.

Pretty sure Herb had 0*s when he started since only 4/5* guys count. You must think he was amazing!

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"(unless we put Javi back in the starting lineup)"

Javi was only out because he was late to practice and still played more than Harrow

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 6:00 PM. Reason : lol Javi counts even though he is terrible]

1/16/2011 5:58:06 PM

just stop adder.

it'd be interesting to see if they start arguing amongst each other.

1/16/2011 6:00:54 PM

god you guys better hope we dont beat Duke.

1/16/2011 6:03:57 PM

I thought we were just playing against the spreads now?

1/16/2011 6:06:13 PM

Why? Do you think Leonard Hamilton is a good coach?

.....face waits patiently (very patiently) for a quality win this year so he can throw it in our faces.

1/16/2011 6:06:25 PM

i just hope duke doesn't drop 100 on us

1/16/2011 6:10:57 PM

Sid will hold them under 95 for sure.

1/16/2011 6:11:50 PM

face's great KenPom gives us a 9% chance against Duke! We got this!

Also projecting us to go 5-11 now and down to 85th in rankings.

http://www.kenpom.com/team.php?team=North%20Carolina%20St.

1/16/2011 6:12:07 PM

Realistically we don't seem to be quite ready for Duke. We'd need a LOT going our way to pull off this upset. We will struggle to defend Nolan. We'll struggle to defend Singler. But if we can stop everyone else we have a shot I guess.

We really need to control the game down low on offense and on defense we've got to cover their shooters.

Duke is clearly rattled right now and a win would really turn our fledgling season around.

I'll say Duke is ~12 point favorites.... I think we hang in there but it's ultimately one of those down by ~10 most of the game and just can't quite make it competitive. Duke 77-66

1/16/2011 6:14:38 PM

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"Duke is clearly rattled right now and a win would really turn our fledgling season around."

Too bad the win last year didn't.

If we win again this year it will do nothing but prove we have talent and are underachieving like hell.

1/16/2011 6:16:39 PM

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"Realistically we don't seem to be quite ready for Duke"

no shit?

1/16/2011 6:16:40 PM

I wouldn't be completely shocked if we won. Beat them last year, this season we are better and they are worse. Well actually I would be completely shocked, but its not out of the question.

1/16/2011 6:16:42 PM

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"Javi was only out because he was late to practice and still played more than Harrow"

First game in a long time that he has played more than Harrow and I still haven't seen the source for that statement of why he didn't start.

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"adder, can you refresh me on your actual stance on Sid? Not trolling, I think you're making your point (even though I disagree) very well."

As I have said many times. I am fine if he is dismissed at the END of this year. That being said the issues brought up by the Lowe critics are never as simple as they would like to make them seem. I have given coherent and logical responses to the critiques and the response is irrational spewage. I also am far from giving up on this team. It takes more than two road losses in the ACC to make me flip out especially with a very young team.

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" Pretty sure Herb had 0*s when he started since only 4/5* guys count. You must think he was amazing!"

How is this relevant? Quit living in the past.

1/16/2011 6:28:24 PM

Adder, re: talent, I'd drop that argument if I were you. FSU and VT aren't more talented than us.

Consider that if CJ Williams doesn't miss an AAU season thanks to a back injury he's a 4 star, and Scott Wood was literally 1 place outside of a 4 star in Scout's rankings.

I'd also say that people should drop the substitution argument, because they really don't have much to go on.

Best argument someone who is anti-sid has is defense, and why for whatever reason we can't play any this year, or for that matter, at any point in Sid's time at State outside of a stretch of last season.

Before this year I would have added rebounding to that, but the rebounding has improved like 90fold this year.

2nd best argument against Lowe is motivating players, and 3rd is offensive consistency.

1/16/2011 7:08:38 PM

4th is our program is a loser.

1/16/2011 7:18:29 PM

^That'd be a troll argument

1/16/2011 7:20:38 PM

Let me un-troll that for you. We lose most of our games vs teams that can walk on two feet.

1/16/2011 7:23:28 PM

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 7:34 PM. Reason : wrong thread]

1/16/2011 7:33:52 PM

^^that's just as much of one.

1/16/2011 7:37:57 PM

Okay then.

We lose most of the time vs our conference peers and decent non-conference competition.

1/16/2011 7:39:04 PM

Before the fsu game we were third in the acc for shot percentage against.

Our defense is not as bad all the time as it was the second half yesterday

1/16/2011 7:40:49 PM

the program is pretty much a joke for several years running now

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 7:43 PM. Reason : []

1/16/2011 7:43:27 PM