233 pages of trolling

1/16/2011 7:46:46 PM

and losing basketball.

Losing coach being called a losing coach considered trolling ITT.

1/16/2011 7:47:27 PM

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"Consider that if CJ Williams doesn't miss an AAU season thanks to a back injury he's a 4 star"

Sounds kind of like that Shannon kid for FSU who lit us up. He was highly recruited before his knee injury. If you examine any team you can find players who should have been more highly ranked but this is a broad overview.

1/16/2011 8:03:05 PM

what if we finish with 6 acc wins but win the ACCT????

1/16/2011 8:04:56 PM

what if we win the national championship game by 50 points?

^^ i feel ya man, we need even more talent

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 8:06 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2011 8:05:50 PM

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"Consider that if CJ Williams doesn't miss an AAU season thanks to a back injury he's a 4 star"

this is so stupid. there's a wolfpackhoops/packpride excuse for every recruit we get. none of them are true.

1/16/2011 8:07:31 PM

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"what if we finish with 6 acc wins but win the ACCT????"

Haha, if we win the ACCT this year Lowe will probably get a Paul Hewitt style contract extension

1/16/2011 8:40:53 PM

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"Before the fsu game we were third in the acc for shot percentage against. "

...becuase we played Wake Forest

1/16/2011 8:42:33 PM

I'll retract my statement on Lowe a little bit. Watching Paul Hewitt coached teams is a tragedy.

1/16/2011 8:44:49 PM

We need Harrow and Lo Brown to grow up fast, they're just not giving us much of anything right now.

I think its funny you guys all bitch about Harrow not playing over Javi and then he does and has a game like that

1/16/2011 8:51:52 PM

Carolina just lost by 20 to GT who was 7-8 overall this year. Fire roy. They are worse in the past two years than they were in his previous seasons fire roy again. They had more 4 and 5 star recruits on their bench then gt had on their entire team. Fire roy for a 3rd time

Do you see how dumb this is?

1/16/2011 9:53:40 PM

sigh, your shit is so old.

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 9:54 PM. Reason : f]

1/16/2011 9:54:05 PM

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 9:56 PM. Reason : .]

1/16/2011 9:55:37 PM

I thought you were going to use pics from his other title.

1/16/2011 9:56:25 PM

you can bet your ass if roy goes to 5 straight NITs he's going to be forced to "retire"

[Edited on January 16, 2011 at 9:59 PM. Reason : probably well before the 5th too]

1/16/2011 9:59:07 PM

Here is Sid's title:



Never forget!

1/16/2011 9:59:21 PM

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"Carolina just lost by 20 to GT who was 7-8 overall this year. Fire roy. They are worse in the past two years than they were in his previous seasons fire roy again. They had more 4 and 5 star recruits on their bench then gt had on their entire team. Fire roy for a 3rd time Do you see how dumb this is? "

yeah, and they'll beat us like a drum twice this year, like they always do

1/16/2011 10:00:06 PM

why is the guy on the left giving the nazi salute?

1/16/2011 10:00:38 PM

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"We need Harrow and Lo Brown to grow up fast, they're just not giving us much of anything right now. I think its funny you guys all bitch about Harrow not playing over Javi and then he does and has a game like that"

Dammit. I kept telling myself to not feed the troll, BUT...but by a "game like that", did you mean a 17 point game from 21 minutes?

1/16/2011 10:08:38 PM

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"why is the guy on the left giving the nazi salute? "

Earl was a progressive thinker....he was way ahead of his time

1/16/2011 10:52:43 PM

^^ com'on man, that was one of his most blatant troll attempts in days, maybe weeks.

1/16/2011 10:57:32 PM

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"why is the guy on the left giving the nazi salute?"

this is how they said the pledge of allegiance prior to WWII. it's also known as the roman salute.


[Edited on January 17, 2011 at 12:51 AM. Reason : cool story bro]

1/17/2011 12:42:20 AM

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"Carolina just lost by 20 to GT who was 7-8 overall this year. Fire roy. They are worse in the past two years than they were in his previous seasons fire roy again. They had more 4 and 5 star recruits on their bench then gt had on their entire team. Fire roy for a 3rd time Do you see how dumb this is?"

There are only 2 coaches who have losing records versus Paul Hewitt --- Roy Williams and Sidney Lowe. Yet, Roy Williams has beaten Lowe 8 straight times, has dominated him head to head, and has had a much more successful ACC record overall since each coach has been coaching in the conference, not to mention winning a national title.

Hell, in only the 5 years since Lowe has been here, Roy has done more than any coach has at NC State since the 80's.

Do you see how dumb you are?

1/17/2011 12:53:26 AM

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"this is so stupid. there's a wolfpackhoops/packpride excuse for every recruit we get. none of them are true."

Fact: Scout.com had CJ Williams as a 4 star player (I think he was like the in 80s overall) before he missed the AAU season thanks to a back injury.

not a excuse, the man has some talent, and while he's best suited as a role player on our team right now, the man has a beautiful jumper. he plays that AAU season injury-free and he probably keeps his 4 star status. it's not like he was some unknown random player, he committed pretty early to us, but was getting at least looks from like WF, Clemson, and UNC IIRC

1/17/2011 1:32:13 AM

fact: most of our recruits get properly evaluated because of their proximity to scout's main base of basketball operations in NC.

if we were iowa state and ryan harrow played for some high school school in montana he probably stays a 3*. i dont know why you guys care anyway. does it really matter what scott wood or cj williams were ranked? theyre both role players that can be an asset as long as they stick to their strengths but are clearly flawed if they're forced to do more.

5* or 1* it doesnt matter to me. it's about talent acquisition. if lowe could build a team of tyrese rice's and jack mcclinton's and win with them i'd be fine. same deal with TOB. i wish he would recruit better but if he can have us winning 9-10 games a year just by having great QB play, a couple other game changing talents (ie Nate) and "solid" players around them it'll keep me quiet

1/17/2011 4:23:59 AM

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"REMEMBERING SIDNEY LOWE"

1/17/2011 4:35:22 AM

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"Carolina just lost by 20 to GT who was 7-8 overall this year. Fire roy. They are worse in the past two years than they were in his previous seasons fire roy again. They had more 4 and 5 star recruits on their bench then gt had on their entire team. Fire roy for a 3rd time Do you see how dumb this is?"

really

1/17/2011 5:23:18 AM

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"5* or 1* it doesnt matter to me. it's about talent acquisition."

It really doesn't matter as long as you could play. Just trying to point out to adder that whatever scout says our or FSU's talent level is doesn't matter. Sure both teams have talent, but we didn't lose to FSU or BC because they're more or less talented.

1/17/2011 9:55:08 AM

I'd like to change of direction of this thread a little bit. It seems like Lowe has relegated Scott Wood to a 3-pt shooting role player. I would love to see him utilized more in the offense. He's got decent enough handles. He draws so much attention on the perimeter that if he just did a half-hearted pump fake move it would cause the defender to jump out of his own shoes. I just think he could be a more versatile player outside of his long range shooting role.

Or at the very least, if we're gonna score less than 20 a half, just let Wood heave 3 point attempts from half court every possession.

1/17/2011 9:56:31 AM

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"It really doesn't matter as long as you could play. Just trying to point out to adder that whatever scout says our or FSU's talent level is doesn't matter. Sure both teams have talent, but we didn't lose to FSU or BC because they're more or less talented."

Someone made the statement that we were the second most talented team in the ACC I called bullshit and backed up my statement with scout. It turns out we are about average level of talent for the ACC.

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"whatever scout says our or FSU's talent level is doesn't matter"

Talent level doesn't matter? Really? You would be ok with having a Mays instead of Harrow then I guess?

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" He draws so much attention on the perimeter that if he just did a half-hearted pump fake move it would cause the defender to jump out of his own shoes. I just think he could be a more versatile player outside of his long range shooting role."

I have been wanting wood to pump fake for a loooong ass time.

1/17/2011 10:04:33 AM

I don't know what this discussion is about, I haven't even read the last three pages

But stuff like this

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""whatever scout says our or FSU's talent level is doesn't matter" Talent level doesn't matter? Really? You would be ok with having a Mays instead of Harrow then I guess? "

is why everyone in this thread can go to hell

[Edited on January 17, 2011 at 10:15 AM. Reason : Not to mention averaging fucking scout.com recruiting stars]

1/17/2011 10:09:16 AM

The whole fiasco was started as a simple rebuttal to the argument that we have the 2nd most talented roster in the ACC (this was being based on recruiting rankings). Do a little analysis of recruiting rankings and you will find that as far as elite level talent we are about average in the ACC. That is pretty much a complete dismissal of the "elite squandered talent" argument so prevalent amongst the Lowe critics.

1/17/2011 10:29:47 AM

As a "Lowe critic" myself, I thought the whole premise of giving him this year was because of all the talent coming in. Now that this year has rolled around and we're still fucking it up this argument has been reduced to "we have average talent".

And yeah, my eyeball test says we're 3rd and arguably 2nd in the league in talent level, star counter.

[Edited on January 17, 2011 at 10:34 AM. Reason : []

1/17/2011 10:33:37 AM

adder seems to have an excuse for fucking everything

1/17/2011 10:39:29 AM

So now:
OHBOYEEEEE eyeball test> Scout.com recruiting rankings
real rational rebuttal.

The relative inexperience of our talent and the fact that our talent isn't overwhelming (according to scout not the vaunted ohboyee eyeball test) is a pretty rational explanation for our miscues. However given this level of talent i do not think it is irrational to expect a better than average (in terms of the ACC) coach to reach the NCAA's which is why I am ok with Lowe being dismissed if the season isn't salvaged (NCAA berth).

I am simply provided rational rebuttals to the rabid lowe critics.

1/17/2011 10:41:42 AM

So would you say Lowe has them playing at the pinnacle of their abilities?

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"better than average (in terms of the ACC) coach "

lol that's some trolly shit right there

[Edited on January 17, 2011 at 10:50 AM. Reason : .]

1/17/2011 10:47:15 AM

To this point no. However would you expect a lineup comprised mostly of underclassmen to be performing at the pinnacle of their abilities 3 games into the acc season?

I keep hoping if I repeat the word rational hoping you will get the point.

[Edited on January 17, 2011 at 10:53 AM. Reason : ADFD]

1/17/2011 10:52:43 AM

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"Talent level doesn't matter? Really? You would be ok with having a Mays instead of Harrow then I guess? "

Words in my mouth, I don't appreciate that. We aren't going to win a single game this year because Harrow was upgraded from a 3 to a 5 star player. We won't beat (and haven't beaten) every team that we're more talented than, or of approximately equal talent to. We might beat a team that's more talented than us this year. When the difference in talent between us and FSU or us and Maryland or us and UNC or even BC exists (pretty slim in either direction, despite whatever the "experts" say) what's more important is actually playing to the best of your ability. That comes from coaching, scheming, experience, motivation and heart. That's the biggest part of what separates us from Duke, UNC, and Maryland over the last... 20 years

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"I have been wanting wood to pump fake for a loooong ass time."

He pump fakes every now and then. What's funny is how much people criticized Horner for pump faking, then turn around a year later and suggest Wood do it more. If Wood feels he can get a good look from three, I'd let him take it. He's shooting like 45% from three, so he can take all the three he feels like (I'd argue he probably needs to shoot more threes per game just considering how terrible the rest of the team is from range this year).

1/17/2011 10:55:12 AM

No I'll tell you what is irrational. It's irrational to call Lowe a better than average ACC coach.

[Edited on January 17, 2011 at 10:56 AM. Reason : .]

1/17/2011 10:56:14 AM

He didn't say he was a good coach

Can no one in this fucking thread read

1/17/2011 10:56:55 AM

adder, is Sidney Lowe a good coach?

1/17/2011 10:59:31 AM

Lowe's a good coach, maybe not a good college coach, but the man's at least a good NBA assistant.

1/17/2011 11:01:30 AM

My point isn't whether he is or isn't, or whether or not adder thinks he is

Just that he didn't say that, and dudes either can't read or are just twisting shit around to troll one another's pants off

1/17/2011 11:04:25 AM

I completely agree with you that I didn't read anywhere that he said he was (kinda suggested that if he's at least average he'll make the NCAA's this year)

1/17/2011 11:06:16 AM

Yes YES YES

1/17/2011 11:07:18 AM

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"Words in my mouth, I don't appreciate that"

It was a disingenuous statement I apologize.

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"When the difference in talent between us and FSU or us and Maryland or us and UNC or even BC exists (pretty slim in either direction, despite whatever the "experts" say) what's more important is actually playing to the best of your ability."

So you are saying we don't have an overwhelming level of talent (UNC quite clearly does so I do take exception to that aspect of your remark)? Exactly what I have been saying. So is it reasonable to assume that the relative inexperience of the majority of our talented players could be a contributing factor to poor road performances? Our most experienced lineup consists of 2 upperclassmen (one of which should be considered streaky at best). We have lost two road games in the ACC with an inexperienced slightly above average (ACC talent level) team. The league as a whole is 4-16 on the road and people are flipping their shit and declaring the season over.

adder, is Sidney Lowe a good coach? I am waiting until the end of the season to make my evaluation of his abilities. How many times have I said this?


[Edited on January 17, 2011 at 11:12 AM. Reason : Even answering Ohboyee]

1/17/2011 11:09:42 AM

You are correct, he did not in fact say that and I did misread and post his quote out of context. For that I apologize.

[Edited on January 17, 2011 at 11:16 AM. Reason : .]

1/17/2011 11:16:07 AM

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"JOHN WILKES BOOTH"

1/17/2011 11:17:28 AM

adder, the thing that gets me is there is always excuses for why we lose. Well guess what it is year #5 and he's probably not going to be getting anymore mulligans.

It's time to win. It is not time to blame our ass kickings on injuries, star rankings, fucking peoples girlfriends, learning on the job, red jackets, trevor ferguson, missed layups, etc.

[Edited on January 17, 2011 at 11:23 AM. Reason : .]

1/17/2011 11:22:43 AM

^^^^The difference in talent between us and UNC or Duke isn't large, despite whatever scout says. As I've pointed out they're slightly more experienced, which will have some effect on their season vs. ours, but not as large as other things. Experience is the biggest reason we lost to BC, and probably one of the biggest factors in losing to FSU (talent had nothing to do with either loss)

The talent argument is stupid.

^missing lay-ups isn't a cop-out for losing, it's a reason. Sometimes the other team just makes more shots.

1/17/2011 11:25:08 AM