I had a PF-9 for a while. While I had no major complaints with it, I got rid of it after a while as I carried other guns more frequently.

The grip is great for smaller hands. It has quite a bit of felt recoil (as to be expected in a small plastic gun). The trigger is not as bad as I was led to believe by the internet... It is longer than a glock, and the reset point is nearly all the way forward.

For $250 or less (the price I usually see for them on the used market) it is hard to beat.

1/6/2014 2:05:18 PM

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"Anybody have an experience with the Keltec pf-9?"

I have a PF-9. It's a great gun to carry. It's thin and light. You'll forget you have it on. For 9mm guns, it's unmatched on it's weight and slim profile.

It's an awful gun for me to shoot. It's a double action trigger pull. It's not super heavy, but it is long. If I practiced with it a bunch, I might get the hang of it. However, I put about 400 rounds through mine and I never developed a lot of confidence with it. I could only be accurate by putting a lot of focus into the trigger pull. If you are in a situation where you can take your time to aim and focus on your trigger pull, the PF-9 is as accurate as any shot-barreled gun. If I tried to shoot with any quickness, accuracy went downhill fast. Furthermore, because the gun is so light, felt recoil is significant. It took me a lot of time to reacquire targets which prevented quick follow up shots. After a couple magazines, the muscles in my forearm would usually be quivering from absorbing the recoil which made accurate shots even more difficult. That might be my limited experience which higher recoil pistols or poor technique on my part. YMMV.

I switched to a different carry gun - a S&W M&P Shield - because I felt that in a self-defense situation I ran a risk of shooting something other than my intended target beyond distances greater than 7 yards. A shooter more comfortable with the double-action trigger pull and the high recoil may love the gun. I know there are plenty who do. I decided that it wasn't a good fit for my skill and preferences. I'm actually a little bummed about that because it's a really easy gun to carry.

Kel-Tec has a reputation for hit-or-miss quality control. I bought my PF-9 used. When I first got it, the magazine had a tendency to drop when fired. I called Kel-Tec, described the problem, and they sent me a new magazine catch for free. Since I installed it, it's been 100%. I would spend some range time with a Kel-Tec to verify it's reliability before I carried it. Honestly, I would do that with any new gun.

1/6/2014 10:17:32 PM

Does anyone have experience with holsters from Raven Concealment and/or JM Custom Kydex? I'm looking for an OWB holster to conceal a Sig 229R when wearing a suit. I need the holster to be tight enough to conceal under the jacket but with enough standoff for a smooth draw when wearing soft armor (when necessary). Thoughts?

1/6/2014 10:43:23 PM

Quote :

"Now they are known to change their opinion at random, but just printing out the ATF letter would have probably saved some headache."

a lot of headache could have been saved by following the advice that guns and drugs don't mix, especially in large quantities.

1/6/2014 10:54:04 PM

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"For example ive seen people at the range with AR pistols stick the buffer tube under their pits, and although I havent seen it, whats to stop you from holding any handgun to your shoulder?"

The buffer tube actually cheek welds just fine.

Quote :

"Anyway, the wrist brace idea seems very silly. Its a neat length for that gun, but 11 inches seems like it would kill velocity/tumble, and be very loud."

My 7.5 upper lost 270-300 fpm with the crono, doesn't tumble, is very accurate and yes obnoxiously loud. The 6ft fireball is pretty cool as well.

1/7/2014 1:02:00 AM

Quote :

"Does anyone have experience with holsters from Raven Concealment and/or JM Custom Kydex? I'm looking for an OWB holster to conceal a Sig 229R when wearing a suit. I need the holster to be tight enough to conceal under the jacket but with enough standoff for a smooth draw when wearing soft armor (when necessary). Thoughts?"

I've got a OWB Bravo Concealment and love it. Top notch quality, fits my M&P perfectly

1/7/2014 1:14:35 AM

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"270-300 fpm"

you mean fps

1/7/2014 6:02:38 AM

Yup, My brain is stuck in CNC mill mode.

1/7/2014 7:46:30 AM

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"I need the holster to be tight enough to conceal under the jacket but with enough standoff for a smooth draw when wearing soft armor (when necessary). Thoughts?"

Just curious, why are you wearing armor?

1/7/2014 8:12:50 AM

It's for work. I like our issued high pro high vis kit but our concealable holster isn't my favorite. Looking to invest in a better piece of kit since it'll be what I use most.

1/7/2014 12:31:29 PM

http://www.safariland.com/DutyGear/product.aspx?pid=6378

I always recommend the Safariland ALS. I wear it with a suit all the time with/o a problem.

When I'm really feeling fancy, I carry in a Desantis F.A.M.S. But most days its the ALS.

http://www.desantisholster.com/store/SEARCH-BY-GUN-MANUFACTURER/SIG-SAUER/P229R/BELT-HOLSTERS/FAMS-with-Lock-Hole

[Edited on January 7, 2014 at 8:40 PM. Reason : ..]

1/7/2014 8:34:20 PM

Finally sold my Corvette, and the first $10k of solar panel rebates should be here in a week or two, so I'm finally back in a position to go shopping in earnest for a serious scope. I'm leaning towards Bushnell Elite, but am looking into Vortex Razor and SWFA, too. I suppose I'd consider a Vortex Viper too, if I found a screaming deal on a used one...but I find that unlikely.

1/7/2014 8:47:20 PM

In other news, I purchased a NIB Springfield PX9109LP w/ NS for under $750 OTD.

1/7/2014 8:51:48 PM

I finally got around to assembling my lower. I was surprised how snug some of the pins were- as in I don't think they are ever coming out. But for my first ever assembly, I couldn't be happier! Thank you internet

1/8/2014 8:00:13 AM

I wanted to share my most recent range embarrassment with the wolf web.

So when I went shooting I was shooting my sr9c and i had either knocked the sites off in the move or something it was driving me nuts shooting 6" left at 50'. So shooting steel and things like thay my natural shoot center of mass sight picture was causeing me to miss... A lot and it was driving me bonkers to get my sight picture.. Adjust... Fire. It was taking about a half second more per plate. Then I shot my m76 and realized my turret screws were loose too and I was shooting all over hell as the recoil was shifting the 0 every shot (Mad) and I had no tools to adjust either . Then I went to shoot the rifle plate with my ar... I was down sights looked good, pulled the trigger... Nothing fire off the whole mag adjusting aim a little trying to hear the gong.. And between the ear protection and the spring in my buffer tube I couldn't hear shit... So I decided to put the ar on paper and when I went to staple up
My target, I realized they had tied the gong back and really tight too. Anyway I shoot the paper and at 100 yards the target looks like one of the winning targets at the fair's shooting gallery. So then back to shooting steel with the pistol cause my favorite rack opened up. And one of the guys I was with said "so and so told me you were good at this... Wtf?" I got pissed, pulled out the 1911 hit 14 plates in 14 rounds set it on the loading table safe and looked back at the guy and just was like.... What now?

Needless to say I need to work on both my skills and my equipment with the carry gun cause right now I'm not carrying it.

1/8/2014 8:07:59 AM

damn scope for my new .17 is coming from Wisconsin. probably sitting in a truck in a ditch on the side of the interstate with a driver who has frozen to death.

1/8/2014 9:56:29 PM

Thanks for the input on the PF-9. I held one at a shop the other day and couldn't believe how light it was, which I guess has it's pros and cons. I need to to manage get to the range with a couple of these subcompacts.

1/10/2014 4:59:31 PM

Quote :

"Finally sold my Corvette, and the first $10k of solar panel rebates should be here in a week or two, so I'm finally back in a position to go shopping in earnest for a serious scope. I'm leaning towards Bushnell Elite, but am looking into Vortex Razor and SWFA, too. I suppose I'd consider a Vortex Viper too, if I found a screaming deal on a used one...but I find that unlikely."

Ewwww.

Go on promotive, and get you a discounted Leupold.

1/10/2014 7:01:47 PM

New product at PSA just announced

1/11/2014 1:30:26 AM

1/11/2014 7:57:47 AM

Took me a second, I was thinking billet lower at first

1/11/2014 8:06:11 AM

Looking into the cloudy crystal ball of my future gun ownership, i think i may be able to see the outline of one of those....

1/11/2014 9:34:19 AM

i wouldn't mind one, but i think if i'm going to get a semi auto .308, i'll just pony up for an M1A.

1/11/2014 9:47:04 AM

I want to do a mega build still and sell my Armalite since it doesn't take pmags. Not something I am worried about doing in the near future but a wish list item for sure. I love the semi auto .308 platform and my AR10 has worked great thus far, I would have no hesitations building another.

1/11/2014 10:45:35 AM

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"i wouldn't mind one, but i think if i'm going to get a semi auto .308, i'll just pony up for an M1A."

I love my M1A, but lately I've been thinking that a 308 AR would be beneficial in that training on the AR platform would crossover easier for 556 or 308, and I would have a lot more flexibility for switching optics platforms between different guns. I intend to run it suppressed though, so I'd lean more towards a gas piston design like the Ruger SR762.

1/11/2014 12:37:19 PM

no offense boss but... you might as well get a different gun..

the weight recoil hell almost everything but the grip stock and sights won't transfer.

i shoot my ar-15 like i shoot my .22 long rifle.... nothing like shooting my 308

1/11/2014 8:51:53 PM

Safety and mag release position are the same between AR platforms, and the shouldering and sight picture of the guns are similar. There is a world of difference between operating the safety on my M1A (located in the trigger guard) and doing mag changes on an M1A (having to roll them into place) compared to an AR platform.

I shoot my M1A like some people shoot 10/22s; the recoil doesn't make much difference to me. The biggest difference I notice between 556 and 762 is the louder bang.

1/11/2014 9:27:54 PM

A friend and I ordered $700 worth of ammo from CTD last night. The shipping weight was 70 lbs.

Also, I got on Promotive. That site is awesome. I wasn't eligible for Leupold , though...but I wasn't super on-fire about their offerings, anyway. I would have gone Vortex or Nightforce if they'd been on there at enough discount , but I ended up ordering a Bushnell Elite Tactical 3.5-21x50 with the G2DMR reticle. Should be a kickass scope , and I got it at a killer price...like, cheaper than used ones I've seen.

1/14/2014 9:03:48 PM

Quote :

"$700 worth of ammo from CTD last night"

you paid too much

1/15/2014 6:23:59 PM

They were some of the best prices on ammoseek, at least for what we ordered.

1/15/2014 10:06:19 PM

i was mostly just fucking with you. i just don't really like CTD.

i loaded 50 rds of 44 mag tonight. 240 gr XTP. should be doing over 1600 fps from my levergun

1/15/2014 10:09:20 PM

Yeah, they created a lot of ill will by jacking prices during the last shortage. I just view that as supply and demand. I mean, it's worth something to me if a seller doesn't do that , but I don't hold it against CTD.

I have a couple hundred rounds of Creedmoor now, and probably a couple thousand of everything else. Got glass for the Creedmoor on the way... A set of rings and a bipod and I think it'll be ready to go .

[Edited on January 15, 2014 at 10:33 PM. Reason : I'm gonna slowly keep generating a significantly larger stockpile. ]

1/15/2014 10:30:18 PM

what glass did you end up going with?

1/16/2014 5:09:39 PM

I had to jump on a few of the $50 Anderson Lowers from PSA, so I just started my two new builds for 2014.

SBR 9mm (5.5 inches) AR with a Thompson ISIS
SBR 300 BLK (10 inches) with a 762SDN6.

I can't wait!!!!!!

1/16/2014 8:10:44 PM

You are going to SBR both or do pistol builds?

1/17/2014 9:58:28 AM

i always figured folks just SBR'd a single lower and then swapped their uppers around. is the 9mm lower different?

1/17/2014 11:02:42 AM

It can be a pain to change the mag block that is in the magazine well needed for 9mm.
Also, the hammer can be different depending on the setup.

1/17/2014 11:05:10 AM

I will have a dedicated 9mm and a separate dedicated 223/300 blk. For one, the 9mm needs a block, different feed ramp, different hammer and different buffer tube. It's too big of a pain in the ass to keep swapping that around.

Pistol builds are ok...but I want an SBR.

FYI the ATF requires you to put a dedicated caliber and barrel length on the Form 1 for each lower. You can modify it, but it must be put back to original caliber and length after use.

1/17/2014 6:19:56 PM

NFA is so fucking stupid

1/17/2014 6:25:24 PM

gunguy, I went with a Bushnell Elite 3.5-21x50mm.

The price it was offered at on Promotive pretty much sealed the deal. Vortex, Nightforce, Leupold, etc aren't offered on there.

Oh, and I hadn't bought a set of scope rings in 15 years, probably. Since when do rings cost $150-200? I'm looking for a set to mount to my picatinny base, and holy shit they're expensive. There are some cheap Chinese ones on eBay; I don't quite understand what would be meaningfully better about Seekins or Vortex or Badger rings. I mean, they're rings. They aren't rocket surgery.

On the other hand, on a $2500 competition rig, shooting at 800, 1000, even 1200 yard targets, I don't want to introduce inaccuracy or fragility on something as simple as rings.

1/17/2014 10:50:43 PM

decent rings aren't that expensive. any weaver style will work.

1/17/2014 11:01:47 PM

Quote :

"You can modify it, but it must be put back to original caliber and length after use."

My understanding wasn't that it has to be put back after every time you handle it; just that you have to be capable of putting it back to the original configuration listed on the form, IE you can't sell the upper you listed on the paper work and you can't cut extra length off of the barrel you're modifying. My attorney told me it was perfectly fine to get a 16" upper to go on the SBR and leave it in that configuration to carry it across state lines or for storing in the safe.

My intention was to just register one lower as an SBR and swap uppers on it. If I wanted a carbine caliper SBR, I'd get a KRISS Vector.

1/18/2014 12:51:06 PM

Jeepin4x4 beat me in a 25 yard head shot competition.

1/18/2014 5:01:10 PM

With what weapon?

1/18/2014 7:46:39 PM

Springfield 1911

1/18/2014 7:53:55 PM

Quote :

"My understanding wasn't that it has to be put back after every time you handle it; just that you have to be capable of putting it back to the original configuration listed on the form, IE you can't sell the upper you listed on the paper work and you can't cut extra length off of the barrel you're modifying. My attorney told me it was perfectly fine to get a 16" upper to go on the SBR and leave it in that configuration to carry it across state lines or for storing in the safe. My intention was to just register one lower as an SBR and swap uppers on it. If I wanted a carbine caliper SBR, I'd get a KRISS Vector."

From some of the ATF letters I've read, I don't even think that is necessary. From what I remember, essentially they have said that if you SBR a lower, it is good for any caliber and any length, and you no longer need to even have the length that you originally put on the form. I'll have to go through the ATF letters to find the specific one I had read.

1/18/2014 8:21:46 PM

Bolted my safe to my garage floor (moved into a new house) and I had no idea how awesome a hammer drill is, that thing went through my garage floor like a hot knife through butter, I want an excuse to use that thing again. Guess I need some more guns so I have to buy a new safe

1/18/2014 9:48:06 PM

RE: crossing state lines...
Your lawyer lied to you. The lower is a registered NFA item and requires the forms to be filled out to cross state lines. Just because you put a non-NFA upper on it doesnt change that.

You are supposed to be able to return the SBR to whatever configuration it was made in.

1/19/2014 1:48:10 PM

^ putting a 16" barrel on your SBR'd lower no longer makes it an NFA item

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html#removal-from-nfa

and regarding transportation of an SBR with a 16" barrel on it:

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-short-barreled-rifles-shotguns.html#interstate-transportation

[Edited on January 19, 2014 at 1:55 PM. Reason : link]

1/19/2014 1:51:54 PM

DoubleDown....I am not sure where you get your information about NFA items. Please consult with the ATF before giving advice. Most lawyers aren't familiar enough with NFA/ATF regulations. Don't forget that a lawyer's advice can still end with you in jail.

The links you posted don't support you. If you put a 16inch upper on a SBR lower...as long as you still own the components for the SBR your firearm is still under ATF regulation. There are no loop holes to that.

"Installation of a barrel greater than 16 inches in length (SBR) or 18 inches in length (SBS) will remove the firearm from the purview of the NFA provided the registrant does not maintain control over the parts necessary to reconfigure the firearm as a SBR ."

When it comes to NFA "configuration", when you first register and pay your tax stamp on a Form 1, you must put a barrel length and a caliber on your form. The general rule is that when you do so, that "configuration" will be the main configuration for your NFA item. You MUST keep and maintain those parts. If you don't, you must notify the ATF that you have modified your NFA item.

If you cross state lines with an NFA item...have your ass covered. You need ATF permission and you need to know all local laws. If you slap a 16in upper on your SBR lower and cross state lines...you are asking for major trouble. If you still own the items to assemble an SBR, you just broke federal law.

1/19/2014 8:12:21 PM