no thanks, i'll pass

1/17/2011 10:19:31 PM

you'd be dumb to.

1/17/2011 10:20:19 PM

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"Coaches NC State cannot get: Mike Anderson Scott Drew Mark Turgeon Frank Martin Josh Pastner"

Took out the ones that we actually can't get. I don't want Drew either, but if we're willing to give them a raise we can get any of those 5 coaches.

1/18/2011 12:07:18 AM

Of those names

1) Mike Anderson -- Would love to have him, but it would be a lateral move at best. No way he leaves an established top 10-15 program for a rebuilding job
2) Scott Drew -- Don't want him. We'd be on probation in 3 weeks
3) Mark Turgeon -- Wanted him in the last coaching search. aTm is a mediocre job, but he's a midwest guy. Don't see him leaving Texas for North Carolina
4) Frank Martin -- His name gets brought up a lot, but all he's proven IMO is that he can keep the train rolling down the tracks...not that he can actually put the train on the tracks. Don't think I would really want him.
5) Josh Pastner -- See Frank Martin

Money talks, but I think if any of these programs can get within the vicinity of what NC State will pay (which they all can I would think) then they'd all be stupid to come here. I don't see any of them realistically happening.

1/18/2011 12:59:23 AM

Disqualifying yourself before trying -- the key to success!

1/18/2011 1:54:27 AM

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"Point stands Harrow was awful in the first half. He was taking wild shots and he never got us into our offense (i.e. get the ball to Tracy)."

Javi didn't get Tracy the ball either you dolt. Smith had 2 points on two shots at halftime. There was no effort to get him the ball whatsoever in the first half...and for some reason I don't think it had to do anything with the guards not getting him the ball, I don't think it was in our game plan. I rarely saw him even try to post up in the first half. Maybe Sid didn't think we'd have success against their big men and wanted to try and get it going on the perimeter....I don't know...I just didn't see any effort (from the guards or from Tracy) to get the ball down low.

1/18/2011 7:39:16 AM

I find it hard to believe that getting the ball inside to tracy isnt ALWAYS in the gameplan. Lowe may ultimately not be the best coach for us, but the guy isn't dumb.

I just think that sometimes the guards aren't patient enough to get it in to him. If the pass isn't there immediately, they will drive or shoot and against a good defensive team like FSU, the pass wasn't there on the first try most of the time.

1/18/2011 9:21:27 AM

I wish I could go back and watch the game. Watching in real time, it barely looked like he was even trying to post up. And the guards should be coached to give more than a passing glance to Tracy posting up and to keep trying if the pass isn't there the first time.

1/18/2011 9:26:32 AM

^^ FSU has one of the best interior defenses in the nation. I don't think it's a stretch to say attacking that interior defense wasn't our top priority.

1/18/2011 9:35:03 AM

I thought we were still raging about losing to an inferior fsu team on their home floor? I really can't keep up with the trolling ohbeebe

1/18/2011 11:06:04 AM

for the peeps that think we can't get Mike Anderson....... have you ever been to Columbia, Missouri?

also, the ACC is going to be a better draw than the Big 12 with the conference alignment uncertainty. we would certainly have to break the bank to get him, but I don't think he's out of the question.

1/18/2011 11:10:35 AM

So you think we've got a shot at Anderson b/c Columbia, Missouri is a crappy town?

1/18/2011 11:28:38 AM

i rarely if ever get excited about recruits

i'm all about coaching

1/18/2011 11:30:53 AM

Boeheim is at the top of my list

Have you ever been to Syracuse, NY

1/18/2011 12:16:28 PM

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"Kinda like how some of you keep thinking Sidney Lowe teams will magically play better?"

it's funny to me how the Sid Sunshine Squad Supporters act so condescending in this thread, like they're the ones somehow in the right (and the "haters" are ridiculous and clueless) when they have little supporting evidence to back up their viewpoint (unless you're adder who has exhausted every angle in the book).

1/18/2011 12:21:37 PM

I think we could get Coach K

I mean damn, you can get mugged anywhere near Duke campus

1/18/2011 12:24:04 PM

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"they have little supporting evidence to back up their viewpoint"

There are two division here

1. Sid sucks, we're not going to turn it around, it's a forgone conclusion that we'll miss the tournament

2. Sid sucks, but it ain't over yet, so let's reserve judgement

Assuming you remove retards like adder and rally from the discussion, I guess the sunshine whatever crew is #2

What the fuck kind of evidence are you expecting

1/18/2011 12:25:11 PM

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"it's funny to me how the Sid Sunshine Squad Supporters act so condescending in this thread, like they're the ones somehow in the right (and the "haters" are ridiculous and clueless)"

Not sure who you think the "Sid Sunshine Squad Supporters" are, most are just arguing against the ridicululous haters. Because quite a few of them are quite ridiculous. Seriously, you can't deny it.

1/18/2011 12:38:24 PM

Here is where I stand and unlike the trolls (rally, boozie, ohbeebe) I have supported my arguments pretty clearly with outside sources.
It is too early to tell if Lowe sucks. He could still be an average in game coach who is good recruiter (Roy Williams lite).
This is the first year under Lowe that we have legitimate ACC level talent. We are three games into the ACC season with a very inexperienced team. Give it till the end of the season. If there are no results (ncaa tourney) then and only then will I have enough information to agree with "Lowe sucks he must go crowd". Until that point there are way to many variables left (as I have documented) to make a rational decision.

1/18/2011 12:40:48 PM

From PI



10/10

1/18/2011 12:48:25 PM

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"This is the first year under Lowe that we have legitimate ACC level talent."

Huh? How is having Costner, Hickson, McCauley, Fells, Grant and Horner on the same team not ACC level talent? Are you kidding me?

What is ACC-level talent? The 8-9 McD's AA's that only Duke/UNC have in the entire country?

And I know your response will be we had no PG obviously, but that is directly due to a recruiting miss of picking Javi over Chris Warren.

1/18/2011 12:49:18 PM

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"I think we could get Coach K"

I'm on it.

1/18/2011 12:49:22 PM

If we don't keep Sidney, our next coach has to have a first or last name that begins with an "S" so that we can continue to use the "______ Sunshine Squad" to describe his supporters.

Which brings up this question? What did "HHH" stand for back in the late Statefans/early Packpride day?? I know it was "Herb Haters something" along those lines.

1/18/2011 12:49:50 PM

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"Huh? How is having Costner, Hickson, McCauley, Fells, Grant and Horner on the same team not ACC level talent? Are you kidding me?"

oh brother. you're a mod, right? sheesh.

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"I think we could get Coach K"

maybe... have you ever been to Durham

1/18/2011 12:51:28 PM

Can I get a sunshine crew roster

I want to know which users you guys think are unabashedly supporting Lowe

1/18/2011 12:58:14 PM

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"It is too early to tell if Lowe sucks."

it is?

1/18/2011 1:00:00 PM

Alright

You guys just keep slap fighting

Making up teams and shit without basis of anything posted in this thread

As a guy who spends way too much of his free time arguing on the internet, this is pathetic

1/18/2011 1:02:28 PM

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"So you think we've got a shot at Anderson b/c Columbia, Missouri is a crappy town?"

That's not the only reason, but it's one of 'em.

The whole, "who else are we going to get" and "look at next years recruiting class" are tired arguments we've all heard before by people supporting Sendek.

It wasn't a reason to keep a coach then, and it's not now. Although, obviously, Sendek's level of success is far beyond anything that the Sidiot has done so far.

1/18/2011 1:07:14 PM

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"the Sidiot"

God almighty die in a fucking house fire

1/18/2011 1:09:29 PM

Coaches should be begging to come to the ACC. They have the perception of coaching in one of the best conferences...yet they might only have to play one ranked team in the conference (hooray Duke!).

I bet Barnes wouldn't be scared of coming to NC State now!!!

1/18/2011 1:10:21 PM

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"Although, obviously, Sendek's level of success is far beyond anything that the Sidiot has done so far."

now see, that whole statement is silly, and quite ridiculous. beyond? far beyond? what?

1/18/2011 1:13:49 PM

I'm pretty sure we could get Mike Anderson if we're willing to pay him appropriately. He's making like 1.55 million a year with an additional 200k being held per year to be paid on completion of his contract. We'd probably have to pay more than 2 million a year for him, how much more I don't even know. Lowe makes like what right now... 800K a year? We willing to pay 2+ million a year for success?

Also, is Mike Anderson worth 2 million a year?

1/18/2011 1:14:26 PM

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"I'm pretty sure we could get Mike Anderson if we're willing to pay him appropriately. He's making like 1.55 million a year with an additional 200k being held per year to be paid on completion of his contract. We'd probably have to pay more than 2 million a year for him, how much more I don't even know. Lowe makes like what right now... 800K a year? We willing to pay 2+ million a year for success? Also, is Mike Anderson worth 2 million a year?"

Absolutely he is. He was hired there within a month or so of us hiring Lowe.

Since then he's had them to one elite 8, and currently has them at #13 in the AP poll. Watching them play last night was a thing of beauty. 23 forced turnovers... god, what I wouldn't give for that.

He's certainly worth 2 million a year. He brings the style of play a lot of our fans have clamored for, and he's been successful everywhere he has coached thus far.

1/18/2011 1:21:12 PM

jetpack, care to try to back-up your last statement, or should i assume you're just another one of ohboyee's aliases?

1/18/2011 1:24:21 PM

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"And I know your response will be we had no PG obviously, but that is directly due to a recruiting miss of picking Javi over Chris Warren."

Nice use of unsubstantiated rumors.

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" Huh? How is having Costner, Hickson, McCauley, Fells, Grant and Horner on the same team not ACC level talent? Are you kidding me?"

You do realize our starting PG had a season ending injury that year?
McCauley, Costner, and Horner were all recruited as perimeter oriented big men for Sendek's offense (McCauley made a remarkable transition to a more traditional post player). Fells and Grant were forced to play out of position (due to our lack/injuries at the PG position). Costner was injured/ fat that season. The reality isn't quite as damning is it?
This has been discussed at length you would think a mod could keep up.

1/18/2011 1:26:27 PM

i am an alias, for sure.

1/18/2011 1:26:31 PM

This was posted on PP recently. Interesting....

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"This is a cumulative comparison of our regular season conference games vs. other conference teams from the 2006-07 season to date: Team W-L Pct. Duke 48-20 .710 UNC 45-22 .670 MD 39-28 .580 VT 38-30 .560 CU 37-30 .550 FSU 34-34 .500 WF 32-35 .480 BC 32-36 .470 UVA 26-41 .390 GT 25-42 .370 UM 24-43 .360 NCSU 21-46 .310 "

1/18/2011 1:26:46 PM

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"How is having Costner, Hickson, McCauley, Fells, Grant and Horner on the same team not ACC level talent?"

can we all agree that our team had the most talent in Sid's 1st year, and the current year, and that years 2, 3 and 4 had less talent?

1/18/2011 1:28:34 PM

Finally, the truth

1/18/2011 1:28:37 PM

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" The whole, "who else are we going to get" and "look at next years recruiting class" are tired arguments we've all heard before by people supporting Sendek. It wasn't a reason to keep a coach then, and it's not now. Although, obviously, Sendek's level of success is far beyond anything that the Sidiot has done so far. "

I posted that list not becuase i don't think we should get rid of Lowe, but becuase of morons saying "Our next coach should be Tom Izzo or Jay Wright" type crap. Just joking around about who we had no shot at landing before anyone mentions them again.

That said, we need a new coach. OMF PAT RILEY

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 1:38 PM. Reason : ]

1/18/2011 1:37:11 PM

I mean obviously Sid's second year had the most talent of any of his pre-2010 squads. I thought that was pretty obvious with my inclusion of Hickson. Guess not, though.

And how is missing in Chris Warren an unsubstantiated rumor? He visited, didn't get an offer and Javi did.

Not quite sure what kind of evidence you really want me to have. I'm sorry that I wasn't on his OV trip hosting him.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=2690960

[Edited on January 18, 2011 at 1:46 PM. Reason : in before the "well sid must have had a reason not to offer him" conjecture]

1/18/2011 1:44:50 PM

I hate the whole Chris Warren situation just because while he's better than Javi, he's just not THAT good.

1/18/2011 1:46:22 PM

I don't know anything about Chris Warren other than we obviously missed that boat

And all my recruiting knowledge comes from playing NCAA Football

But it looks like he committed to Ole Miss a week after his visit. Do coaches usually offer during the visit or very shortly thereafter? Is it possible that Sid missed that section in his College Basketball Coaching Primer?

1/18/2011 1:47:41 PM

He's also had ACL reconstruction surgery.

He is here his freshman year and we are a tourney team IMO, but that is obviously conjecture as well. And what exactly do you want from a guy? He's averaging 17.5 ppg and 4+ assists per game for his entire four-year career.

1/18/2011 1:48:11 PM

And did Sid even "choose Javi over Warren"

Javi committed months after Warren

Didn't we just pick him up off the scrap heap because we missed on Warren

Seems like Sid just fucked up and lost out to Ole Miss, and we had to make due

This is a pretty good reason to hate Folwer, not Sid btw

1/18/2011 1:54:59 PM

Well apparently we didn't offer him. Probably attributed to Sid's talent evaluation of him. But I don't know...I was pretty much done following recruiting closely by that time.

1/18/2011 1:56:09 PM

Warren puts up a lot of points because Mississippi really isn't that good and he's the best option on a team of mostly mediocre players. Right now he's just a more consistent, bit less turnover prone version of Javi.

1/18/2011 1:57:45 PM

Warren is tearing it up for one of the worst teams in the worst major conference

He'd average 8 and 4 here and you guys would burn him at the stake

1/18/2011 2:01:27 PM

This is the most asinine thread in ST history

1/18/2011 2:08:44 PM

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"He'd average 8 and 4 here and you guys would burn him at the stake"

Seeing that the last point guard we had that averaged over four assists a game was Clifford Crawford back in 02-03....I'd take it.

1/18/2011 2:15:58 PM