jbtilley All American 12797 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "(even more severe than the ones imposed on the program last year)" |
Considering the violations they had the penalties they received last year were a joke. Maybe they were lenient because they didn't play players that had questionable eligibility... more out of fear than an attempt to be proactive.
Quote : | "and the penalties imposed by the University itself will probably be even more severe." |
lol That's a good one.8/17/2012 1:19:29 PM |
StateCole All American 3597 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Fans under 50 don't care about football in Chapel Hill" |
This kills me. They don't care when it's convenient to say they don't care. A few years ago they were calling themselves a dark horse for a BCS bowl and damn national championship8/17/2012 1:34:01 PM |
dubcaps All American 4765 Posts user info edit post |
they still say they would've won a national championship in 2010 8/17/2012 1:47:30 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
WE WOULDVE BEATEN LSU BY 3 TDS IF MARVIN HAD PLAYED 8/17/2012 1:50:55 PM |
jaZon All American 27048 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The North Carolina legislature dislikes public higher education in general and Chapel Hill in particular." |
lmao8/17/2012 6:00:33 PM |
Nighthawk All American 19623 Posts user info edit post |
That is BS. Most of them WENT to UNC.
He may have a point that most Republican legislatures are not fans of Carolina,but they have enjoyed many years of being the favored child in the General Assembly,as many of them went there.
[Edited on August 17, 2012 at 6:10 PM. Reason : ] 8/17/2012 6:05:26 PM |
Jaybee1200 Suspended 56200 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Dirt Bags We Know by Art Chansky's Sports Notebook Posted Aug 16 2012 11:54AM Gregg Doyel first got my attention when he was a punk sports writer for the Charlotte Observer, obviously trying to make a name for himself.
At the time, he wrote a story claiming the problems surrounding UNC’s basketball program in the early 2000s were all Dean Smith’s fault. Smith had been retired for five years but Doyel insisted Smith was still behind the scenes pulling the strings like some puppeteer.
As with numerous columns he has written since as the loosest cannon at CBSSports.com, Doyel was dead wrong. In fact, Smith had just about wiped his hands of his former program after Chancellor James Moeser foolishly vetoed the hiring of Larry Brown in 2000.
Carolina’s brief basketball swoon was on Matt Doherty, the coach Moeser did approve, who of course lasted three years before getting fired, which allowed Roy Williams a second chance to come back and return the Tar Heels to national prominence.
When the UNC football scandal broke in the summer of 2010, Doyel jumped in with both feet, calling Butch Davis something like the “turd in the punch bowl.” His opinion that Davis had to go, if not his characterization, turned out to be true after UNC decided its reputation was more important than keeping Davis. As you know, I agreed with that move.
Doyel (who went to Florida) says he is hesitant to talk trash about Carolina because his sister went here and lives near here. And he likes Roy Williams, one of the few coaches left who gives Doyel the time of day. Yet, after admitting that he only got interested in the academic side of the case upon seeing the alleged Julius Peppers transcript, Doyel did what he often does – take the easy way out with lazy, inflammatory journalism.
Even for his standards, Doyel’s latest tirade is pretty unconscionable and fits what he was hired to do during the Wild West days of the Internet – just throw stuff out there and see if it sticks. He took the Peppers transcript story, jumped to a mile-wide conclusion and predicted both Carolina football and basketball are “going down.” Doyel backs up little of what he says, using the News & Observer reports to form his own absurd opinions.
Who at CBS Sports allows such irresponsible writing?
Doyel then went on a Charlotte radio show Wednesday morning and said he thinks the only two schools in the country offering African Studies majors are Kansas and Carolina and the common thread is Williams. Ah, wrong again, Greggie. The number is 93, including Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, Harvard and Yale, Cal-Berkeley, Michigan and Virginia
I’ve seen the supposed Peppers transcript. If it is indeed his, all it shows is that Peppers did poorly during his (red-shirt) freshman year (1998-99), which is hardly unique for under-qualified athletes. Obviously, he had to get his grades up in summer school to play in 1999, but there is no evidence that Peppers did it by cheating or being given grades in any course.
Other than that, a copy of Peppers’ transcript at one moment in time means nothing, for these reasons: So what that Peppers was an AFAM major or took AFAM courses – what does that prove? Afro-African American Studies has been taught at UNC for more than 15 years, with no improprieties uncovered before 2007. Athletes have been taking the same courses at UNC (and other schools) forever. In fact, most students look for easier or "crip" courses and sign up for them with their friends. Didn’t you? Despite what else comes out from a period when Carolina earned an NCAA probation, vacated 16 victories, lost 15 scholarships plus a bowl game and changed football coaches twice, most of the athletes who haven’t been implicated do the work, finish the class and get a grade. There is nothing to suggest otherwise.
If you don’t like the fact that some of them are admitted as academic exceptions, are steered toward easier courses and need help from tutors and sympathetic professors, blame the escalation of big-time college athletics into a money-driven enterprise. It is not exclusive to Carolina, not by a long shot.
Reluctant to respond, hiding behind privacy laws, or whatever, UNC needs to stand up and set the record straight about what Tar Heel athletes are supposed to be doing, and what most of them do. Or this is going to spin out of control to the point where more dirt bags like Doyel can claim on national websites that this is "maybe the ugliest academic scandal in NCAA history."
Puh-lease. Worse than the Minnesota and Georgia basketball scandals and the Florida State football final exam scandal?
It’s the job of media like the News & Observer to investigate such stories, publish the facts they find and ask further questions. It’s not Gregg Doyel’s job to defame an entire athletic department over a few guilty parties for a nebulous period of time without any substantiation whatsoever.
“UNC football -- and probably basketball -- is going down,” Doyel wrote in his column. “For starters, there are some banners at the Smith Center that need to come down.”
Don’t think so. In fact, if his editors at CBSSports.com ever wise up, Doyel is the one who needs to go down for writing such drivel." |
8/17/2012 9:40:56 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
objectively, Chansky (UNC grad) makes some good points
but just like your average walmart carolina fan, he wants to blame a few rogues and blame the system instead of encouraging UNC to dig deep and actually clean up the mess
and lol at him denying that UNC's academic fraud is worse than FSU's stuff from a few years back...i'm not well informed enough to know the details of Minnesota and Georgia 8/17/2012 9:53:56 PM |
Wolfman Tim All American 9654 Posts user info edit post |
Chansky only gave a shit when this scandal leaked into the basketball program 8/17/2012 10:14:16 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
I met Chansky years ago. Dude was a major dick. 8/18/2012 1:17:57 AM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The number is 93, including Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, Harvard and Yale, Cal-Berkeley, Michigan and Virginia" |
he also seems to not know when he's about to end a list.
b/c i'm an asshole, is why i point this out.8/18/2012 3:49:42 AM |
Jrb599 All American 8846 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "but there is no evidence that Peppers did it by cheating or being given grades in any course." |
I stopped reading here. Take the blue shades off, there is some evidence.8/18/2012 7:19:47 AM |
ThePeter TWW CHAMPION 37709 Posts user info edit post |
I stopped reading when he started the article by bringing up unrelated topics from 10 years from the same author that he was just still butthurt about 8/18/2012 10:18:37 AM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
I read the whole thing, even though it said "Art Chansky" at the top. His level of denial and butthurt is pretty close to that of the IC crow.
PS - ZZL is zigga zoomba lounge. It's the non-sports forum on IC. 8/18/2012 10:21:37 AM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Quoth the IC crow, "Nevermore." 8/18/2012 12:14:20 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
8/18/2012 12:19:28 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
You must be really dumb if you can't get a degree when they are giving it away. 8/18/2012 12:52:58 PM |
Kurtis636 All American 14984 Posts user info edit post |
Left early, didn't graduate. No shame in that. However, Rashad McCant Read was one of the better signs I saw in our stands during those games. 8/18/2012 1:14:59 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
I'm sure he could've came back to campus to finish a degree with classes that never actually met. 8/18/2012 1:19:48 PM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
Would be cool to see the amount of bball and football that took classes in that department too 8/18/2012 2:35:14 PM |
jtmartin All American 4116 Posts user info edit post |
Per WRAL, Peppers has denied any fraud during his time at UNC 8/18/2012 4:47:04 PM |
Jaybee1200 Suspended 56200 Posts user info edit post |
motherfucker said "Per" 8/18/2012 4:47:51 PM |
jtmartin All American 4116 Posts user info edit post |
Lol that's what I get for working with people that speak English as a second language- they say that all the time 8/18/2012 4:50:58 PM |
Novicane All American 15416 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Just In: In a statement released Saturday, former University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill student-athlete Julius Peppers acknowledged that a transcript found to be posted to the UNC-CH website last week was, in fact his, but he denies any fraudulent grades or courses." |
8/18/2012 4:52:41 PM |
puck_it All American 15446 Posts user info edit post |
All I'm saying, is it took him a long time to write such a short statement. 8/18/2012 5:53:22 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
maybe he used what he learned in AFAM to write his response using BPT. 8/18/2012 6:08:20 PM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
I'm willing to bet he didn't even know he was in the classes where he got good grades. 8/18/2012 6:23:08 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27840 Posts user info edit post |
He probably hired the tutor to write it 8/18/2012 6:24:24 PM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""This statement is in response to false allegations regarding my connection to an academic scandal within the University of North Carolina athletic and African-American Studies departments. This week has been an upsetting and challenging week for me, as one of my most private academic documents appeared on the university's website for public examination. "Oh my goodness!" said Chicken Little. "The sky is falling! I must go and tell the king." On her way to the king's palace, Chicken Little met Henny Penny. Henny Penny said that she was going into the woods to hunt for worms. "Oh no, don't go!" said Chicken Little. "I was there and the sky fell on my head! Come with me to tell the king." I'm terribly disappointed in the fact that my privacy has been violated, as well as frustrated with whoever negligently and carelessly committed such a flagrant error. However, it has caused me to have an important moment of reflection over the time that I was a student in Chapel Hill. During my undergraduate years, I, like many other students was trying to find direction and adjust to being independent for the first time as a young adult. With this new freedom and unfamiliar environment, I will admit that, at times some of my priorities were not always aligned properly. Luckily, I had a great support system, including Dr. Carl Carey and the athletic academic department, who gave me much needed counsel. " |
8/18/2012 6:35:32 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
new kane article, nothing groundbreaking or new that I recognize but mostly skimmed it.
http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/08/18/2278010/between-transcripts-of-peppers.html 8/18/2012 9:30:54 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " Some fans defend the school, blame the media, contend the transgressions are all minor. Besides, they claim, everybody does it, especially N.C. State. Many of these fans have never been in Chapel Hill." |
you tell em Sorenson8/18/2012 11:17:44 PM |
NCSUMEB All American 2530 Posts user info edit post |
So how was Peppers eligible with a sub 2.0 GPA? 8/19/2012 8:10:46 AM |
erice85 All American 4549 Posts user info edit post |
it boggles my mind with UNC losing their whole defense + sanctions that they still have more AP Top 25 votes than we do 8/19/2012 10:22:07 AM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
when your recruiting tactic is "come play football and don't worry about school" then its not hard to get top players... 8/19/2012 1:08:06 PM |
simonn best gottfriend 28968 Posts user info edit post |
i'm sure that's exactly how they roll. 8/19/2012 1:34:55 PM |
packboozie All American 17452 Posts user info edit post |
^^^Talk about disrespect UNC 32 votes NCSU 3. Fuck that. 8/19/2012 1:46:44 PM |
Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
Melky hacked unc.edu 8/19/2012 3:03:54 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
I thought we were past bitching about preseason polls
but I guess that's just a pipe dream 8/19/2012 3:05:47 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
wtf
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2012/08/20/3467347/peppers-donates-250k-to-unc-scholarship.html 8/20/2012 5:54:17 PM |
wstcoastwolf All American 1642 Posts user info edit post |
Nothing fishy about that. Just trying to get good press for a change 8/20/2012 5:56:44 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53065 Posts user info edit post |
No, Julius. It's supposed to go the OTHER way. THEY pay YOU!!! Jeez, he must have failed "Hush Money 101" as well. 8/20/2012 6:02:43 PM |
Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
scumbag julius says he wants to help young college students, donates to scholarships that are only for one race
guess he hoped a quarter million would be enough to buy some good cover up PR 8/20/2012 6:10:26 PM |
dubcaps All American 4765 Posts user info edit post |
time to boycott da poptarts
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/8/20/3256624/pop-tarts-college-football-logos-arkansas-unc-uga
hopefully the crazies at packpride will get the unc ones pulled. 8/20/2012 10:41:47 PM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
UNC's has a red filling because packpride has infiltrated the jam
(paraphrased from someone on twitter) 8/21/2012 9:12:36 AM |
JP All American 16807 Posts user info edit post |
JAMMIN ON THE HOT 8/21/2012 9:15:13 AM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "scumbag julius says he wants to help young college students, donates to scholarships that are only for one race" |
LOL.8/21/2012 9:24:42 AM |
HOOPS MALONE Suspended 2258 Posts user info edit post |
8/21/2012 10:28:52 AM |
Wolfman Tim All American 9654 Posts user info edit post |
8/21/2012 1:23:01 PM |
Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
I guess Peppers was the one Tarheel basketball player that did not go to Baddour asking for Doherty to be fired. 8/21/2012 1:29:02 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Jobs and Gates didn't fail Algebra. 8/21/2012 1:59:17 PM |