Flight 93:

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"Unanswered questions: The mystery of Flight 93 We all know the inspiring story of Flight 93, of the heroic passengers who forced the hijacked plane to the ground, sacrificing themselves to save the lives of others. The only trouble is: it may simply not be true. http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=323958"

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"Meanwhile, investigators say they've found debris from the crash at least eight miles away from the crash site. A second debris field was around Indian Lake about 3 miles from the crash scene. Some debris was in the lake and some was adjacent to the lake. More debris from the plane was found in New Baltimore, some 8 miles away from the crash. State police and the FBI initially said they didn't want to speculate whether the debris was from the crash, or if the plane could have broken up in midair. http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/13/penn.attack/"

[Edited on August 14, 2004 at 12:31 PM. Reason : ---]

8/14/2004 12:25:35 PM

how can people become so misguided???

8/14/2004 12:32:00 PM

Quote :

"how can people become so misguided???"

Quote :

"Rule Of Disinformation #9: Play Dumb No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. http://www.proparanoid.com/truth.htm#9"

[Edited on August 14, 2004 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ----]

8/14/2004 1:16:08 PM

ATTN: sheeple

believe what you are told
do not ask questions
don't think or search for the truth

sincerely,

john ashcroft




[Edited on August 14, 2004 at 1:32 PM. Reason : ---]

8/14/2004 1:21:33 PM

8/14/2004 2:35:29 PM

^

a combination of...

Quote :

"Rule of Disinformation #18: Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents: If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism. http://www.proparanoid.com/truth.htm#18"

...and...

Quote :

"Rule of Disinformation #17: Change the subject: Usually in connection with one of the other ploys listed here, find a way to side-track the discussion with abrasive or controversial comments in hopes of turning attention to a new, more manageable topic. This works especially well with companions who can 'argue' with you over the new topic and polarize the discussion arena in order to avoid discussing more key issues http://www.proparanoid.com/truth.htm#17"

[Edited on August 14, 2004 at 3:03 PM. Reason : ---]

8/14/2004 2:58:15 PM

8/14/2004 9:15:26 PM

Quote :

"The only support for the official conspiracy theory about 9-11 comes from the ludicrous assertions of the the Bush Administration and from the corporate mainstream media that control the publication of news in the USA. On the basis of the facts and the analysis of those facts, there is no way that anyone with a bit of education and critical, independent thinking can seriously continue to support this amazing fantasy of carousing, Muslim fanatics willing to die for Allah, being trained in US Military flight facilities, drawing frequent attention to themselves, appearing in three distant places simultaneously, living in houses rented for them by the FBI with FBI roommates, dropping their sacred Koran in the trash before boarding one of four commercial passenger aircraft which they will shortly hijack using box cutters as their weapon of persuasion, and adroitly slam them into landmarks, or fight a final jihad with gung-ho passengers that cause the plane to crash into a Pennsylvania countryside scattering debris over a 6 mile area. Oh, and despite an inferno that weakens steel, the passport of the purported leader is found on the street just a bit singed. Perhaps people who grow up on action cartoons might be able to hold that in their reality, but it is likely that most Americans have seen through the hoax. Then within a few hours we know who did it and who organized the "attacks on America": Osama bin Laden, a CIA asset paid millions of dollars for many years. We quickly manage to arrange a war against Afghanistan that has refused to surrender bin Laden who we have been tracking for years and listening in on all his conversations and yet neglect to arrest when offered when he is in the Sudan, neglect to arrest when our agent visits him in the hospital in Dubai. Amazingly we are prepared to destroy Afghanistan in just over one month of planning and shipping men and materiel. http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/9-11_Day_of_Infamy.htm"

8/23/2004 1:12:24 PM

OMG more bullshit quotes noone will stop to read!

youre yelling at a brick wall you fucking idiot.

omg hypocrite I am

[Edited on August 23, 2004 at 1:24 PM. Reason : *]

8/23/2004 1:24:36 PM

^Do you read the websites that you get your info from? Because this one's hilarious. And very sad. I suggest you start with the homepage for maximum hilarity.

8/23/2004 1:28:43 PM

Quote :

"Lokken: youre yelling at a brick wall..."

So you are a "brick wall"?....incapable (unwilling) to listen or understand?

8/23/2004 2:48:55 PM

Zogby Poll: Half of New Yorkers Believe Government Complicity in 9/11

Quote :

"Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855"

[Edited on August 31, 2004 at 10:49 AM. Reason : =]

8/31/2004 10:45:14 AM

http://www.the7thfire.com/

Quote :

" The Seventh Fire is a means to Soar beyond mind. Enter through the Heart"

hahahahaha

[Edited on August 31, 2004 at 11:16 AM. Reason : ]

8/31/2004 11:16:16 AM

Very good video presentation on the attack on the Pentagon:

http://www.muchosucko.com/flash/pentagonlies.html#Main



[Edited on September 2, 2004 at 10:24 AM. Reason : [[]

9/2/2004 10:12:00 AM

This is a great article explaining why NORAD did not follow standard procedure on 9/11 and failed to intercept the hijacked airliners.

Quote :

"Wargames Were Cover For the Operational Execution of 9/11 It is clear that at least five if not six training exercises were in operation in the days leading up to and on the morning of 9/11. This meant that NORAD radar screens showed as many as 22 hijacked airliners at the same time. NORAD had been briefed that this was part of the exercise drill and therefore normal reactive procedure was forestalled and delayed. The large numbers of 'blips' on NORAD screens that displayed both real and 'drill' hijacked planes explain why confused press reports emerged hours after the attack stating that up to eight planes had been hijacked. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm"

[Edited on September 8, 2004 at 2:39 PM. Reason : $]

9/8/2004 2:36:33 PM

ok... you guys are arguing about whether or not the president could have possibly seen the first plane hit the wtc. I clearly remember that day, because I was sitting in my English class and suddenly someone ran down the hall and told us that a plane hit and that the college wanted us all to stay where we were at until the government said something about. From my understanding a tourist had been going around with their camera and caught the first plane and blah blah blah. Anyhow, my teacher had turned on the tv and we all watched as the second plane flew into the trade center, and then they kept showing both films for maybe about another 15-30 minutes until the government said that they could no longer show it. If anyone else remembers that day they eventually stopped showing footage of the crashes because it was causing mass panic. i was at a private college at the time so we had plenty of opportunity to be stuck watching the horror take place over and over again.
As for the president being able to watch the first plane crash in an elementary school.... it is very possible that a teacher was on a break or something and was watching the news as she prepared plans for her next class. Or, considering that he is the president, they could have been getting him ready in a vacant room with the news on.... who knows.
But, if he knew that the plane hit the W TC, why would he only think that the guy was a bad piolit? why wouldn't he be concerned?

9/8/2004 9:22:52 PM

As South Tower is Hit, Bombs Go off in North Tower?

video: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/090904northtowerbombs.htm

[Edited on September 13, 2004 at 10:52 AM. Reason : ;]

9/13/2004 10:50:54 AM

Quote :

"9/11 Survivor Describes Multiple Explosions Teresa Veliz, the facilities manager for a software development company, was on the 47th floor of the North Tower when Flight 11 hit. First, like many witnesses, she describes the building shaking twice: "I got off [the elevator], turned the corner and opened the door to the ladies' room. I said good morning to a lady sitting at a mirror when the whole building shook. I thought it was an earthquake. Then I heard those banging noises on the other side of the wall. It sounded like someone had cut the elevator cables. It just fell and fell and fell. I began to cry. "Oh, my God, I just got off that elevator!" I said. "That could have been me." I prayed those other people had gotten off on the 48th floor before the elevator dropped. But I didn't have much time to be upset because the building shook again, this time even more violently. The lady at the mirror grabbed onto me and held on for dear life." Veliz went down a staircase with a coworker to the concourse level. In the mall, they got onto an up-escalator as the South Tower collapsed, causing a rush of wind which knocked them down. In the pitch black, Veliz and her coworker followed someone carrying a flashlight: "The flashlight led us into Borders bookstore, up an escalator and out to Church Street. There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. I was afraid to go down Church Street toward Broadway, but I had to do it. I ended up on Vesey Street. There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run." Source: "Teresa Veliz: A Prayer to Die Quickly and Painlessly," in September 11: An Oral History by Dean E. Murphy (Doubleday, 2002), pp 9-15. http://www.thememoryhole.com/911/veliz-bombs.htm"

[Edited on September 22, 2004 at 8:40 AM. Reason : =]

9/22/2004 8:39:46 AM

Quote :

"In Your Face: General Tommy Franks Talks About Martial Law, His Premonition about Sept 11th Before It Happened video: http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2004/050804tommyfranks.htm"

In an interview on Fox News, General Tommy Franks says that he spoke to others of his fear of an attack on the World Trade Center 4 days prior to 9/11. Franks also openly talks about martial law as a possibility as well.


[Edited on September 23, 2004 at 12:34 PM. Reason : --]

9/23/2004 12:30:45 PM

nm

[Edited on September 23, 2004 at 11:09 PM. Reason : --]

9/23/2004 11:08:22 PM

what a stupid fucking thread

9/24/2004 1:22:45 AM

[Edited on September 24, 2004 at 1:50 AM. Reason : ]

9/24/2004 1:49:55 AM

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"The 9/11 Whistleblowers For the first time in one place, a comprehensive collection of interviews with and information on those who have spoken out on how the globalist cabal within the government was COMPLICIT in the 9/11 attacks. http://www.prisonplanet.com/Pages/230904_whistleblowers.html"

[Edited on September 24, 2004 at 12:10 PM. Reason : --]

9/24/2004 12:09:55 PM

STFU

9/24/2004 12:19:26 PM

Mike Ruppert's film Truth and Lies of 9/11, a tape of a lecture Ruppert gave at Portland State University in November 2001, can be downloaded an viewed at the following website:

http://www.ilmjp.com/911.htm

Mike Ruppert is a former LAPD narcotics investigator who discovered CIA trafficking in drugs in 1977.

[Edited on September 24, 2004 at 12:35 PM. Reason : ===]

9/24/2004 12:31:17 PM

Quote :

"Harper's Cover: 9/11 Report described as "whitewash" October 2004 In an essay of the new October Issue of "Harper's Magazine", editor and professor Benjamin DeMott describes, "how the 9/11 Commission Report defrauds the nation" . http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=824"

9/28/2004 10:38:32 AM

56-story, 730-foot steel office tower in Caracas, Venezuela burns for 17 hours and over 26 floors and does NOT collapse

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/18/world/main649824.shtml

WTC towers 1 and 2, and WTC Building 7 are still the only known modern steel-reinforced buildings in world history to "collapse due to fire"....WAIT....that's right, they were all brought down in controlled demolitions.


[Edited on October 19, 2004 at 10:50 AM. Reason : --]

10/19/2004 10:48:44 AM

Wake up pal. Do you know how much hotter jet fuel burns than the stuff normally found in buildings?

Of course you don't. Disregard that statement.

10/19/2004 10:51:09 AM

Quote :

"Wake up pal. Do you know how much hotter jet fuel burns than the stuff normally found in buildings?"

Not near hot enough to melt steel. So why were pools of molten steel found in the basement areas of the WTC towers???




[Edited on October 19, 2004 at 11:00 AM. Reason : --]

10/19/2004 10:52:09 AM

I watched In Plane Sight last night, and it's convincing. I don't know how much of it I buy, but it's certainly interesting in regards to the Pentagon info. I mean, there was no fuselage sticking out of a [relatively] undamaged Pentagon?

10/19/2004 10:55:39 AM

The energy released in the collapse of all that weight is what melted the steel found in the basement.

The temperature that the jet fuel burned at was sufficient to cause just a handful of columns to buckle (not melt) and result in what is known as the "pancake effect" where the impact of floors above causes columns below to collapse until the whole building comes down...

The mass of all that steel and concrete falling to the ground is what melted the steel in the basement. Dumbass.

10/19/2004 10:59:38 AM

The towers collapsed long after the jet fuel would have burned up and the fires were at their hottest points. The firefighters' tapes confirm that the fires were not raging and were nearly "under control" shortly before the towers collapsed.

WTC Building 7 only had a few small fires in it...yet the official story for a while was that it collapsed "due to fire", despite the fact that it clearly appears from the videos to any reasonable person that the building was brought down in a controlled demolition. And we now know that is exactly what happened since the leasholder of the WTC complex at the time, Larry Silverstien, admitted in a PBS documentary that he and the NYC Fire Dept. officials made the decision to bring down the building with explosives.

Don't let the facts get in the way of the story you want to believe.

[Edited on October 19, 2004 at 11:02 AM. Reason : --]

10/19/2004 11:01:16 AM

Quote :

"Not near hot enough to melt steel. So why were pools of molten steel found in the basement areas of the WTC towers??? "

I'll tell you when I get my structural engineering degree.

And now for a bit of the ridiculous.

























































































































[Edited on October 19, 2004 at 11:02 AM. Reason : A quote and some more spam...]

10/19/2004 11:01:44 AM

Don't let common sense get in the way of your conspiracy theories.

10/19/2004 11:02:36 AM

Is this fucking section not moderated anymore?

10/19/2004 11:03:33 AM

Here is the video clip from a PBS documentary where Larry Silverstien, the leaseholder of the WTC complex at the time of the attacks, admits that he and the NYC Fire Dept. made the decision to bring down WTC building 7 in a controlled demolition.

video: ------->http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV<----------

note: "pull it" is the industry term for a controlled demolition

10/19/2004 11:08:43 AM

Demolition Proof of 9-11

3 short video clips: http://www.stargods.org/DemolitionProofOf_9_11.htm

10/20/2004 10:04:58 AM

are you retarded.../

[Edited on October 20, 2004 at 3:25 PM. Reason : l]

10/20/2004 3:15:38 PM

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/001139.html

Quote :

"9/11 "black box" cover-up at Ground Zero? Two men who worked extensively in the wreckage of the World Trade Center claim they helped federal agents find three of the four “black boxes” from the jetliners that struck the towers on 9/11 - contradicting the official account. Both the independent 9/11 Commission and federal authorities continue to insist that none of the four devices - a cockpit voice recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR) from the two planes - were ever found in the wreckage. But New York City firefighter Nicholas DeMasi has written in a recent book -- self-published by several Ground Zero workers -- that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate three of the four. His account is supported by a volunteer, Mike Bellone, whose efforts at Ground Zero have been chronicled in the New York Times and elsewhere. Bellone said assisted DeMasi and the agents and that saw a device that resembling a “black box” in the back of the firefighter’s ATV. Their story raises the question of whether there was a some type of cover-up at Ground Zero. Federal aviation officials - blaming the massive devastation - have said the World Trade Center attacks seem to be the only major jetliner crashes in which the critical devices were never located."

10/28/2004 10:24:37 AM

I would invite you liberals to take your case to the families who lost those they love in the plane crash at the pentgon and tell them that you think it is a conspiracy theory. However, your to busy trying to divide this country and sitting around growing fat like Mchael Moore to do anyting about it. STFU

10/28/2004 10:30:50 AM

First off, I'm not a "liberal" and I don't endorse Michael Moore's film. Both major political parties are puppets of the elite that really rule this country (ie, the forces behind the privately owned Federal Reserve bank). Both parties are working to accomplish the goals of the global elite: weakening the United States, transforming it into a police state, and moving the world towards global government.

Bush is for open boarders (notice the amnesty plan he proposed) and during his 4 years the government has grown to the largest and most powerful it has ever been (eg, Homeland Security Dept., etc). Government spending is out of control and the national debt (a debt to the owners of the Federal Reserve Bank Coroporation...making us even more slaves to them than before) has skyrocketed to over 7 TRILLION dollars. The Patriot Act has gutted the constitutional rights of Americans, especially the 4th Amendment right against unreasonable searches and seizures. The CIA and FBI are now spying on Americans. U.S. citizens can be held indefinitely without trial simply for being designated a "terrorist". The U.S. is being transformed into a police state right before our eyes.

Moore's film is propaganda to make people believe that Bush & the republiCONS are only ones to blame and that Kerry and the Democrats are the answer. It exposes some of the lies surrounding 9/11, but it does not expose the entire truth. The truth is that the U.S. government was complicit in the attacks and they are lying about what really happened. The evidence is OVERWHELMING. Anyone who can still think for themselves and truly takes the time to look at a good portion of the evidence will come to realize this.

Just some of the evidence proving this includes the following. The U.S. air defenses were "stood down" for over and hour allowing the hijacked planes to reach their targets. Several of the originally identified "hijackers" have turned out to be still alive. The damage at the Pentagon is not consistent with a Boeing 757. Larry Silverstein, leaseholder of the WTC complex, admitted in a PBS documentary that WTC building #7 (which collapsed at 5:20pm on 9/11) was brought down in a controlled demolition. Witnesses report hearing explosions going off in the twin towers. Video shows evidence of explosions going off in the towers as they collapsed. The hijacked plane that came down over Pennsylvania was shot down (the wreckage was found over a 6-8 mile area and witnesses have come forward saying the plane was shot down).


[Edited on October 28, 2004 at 11:16 AM. Reason : ``]

10/28/2004 11:10:56 AM

^ Only one issue with this whole theory (probably fact)

There is nothing you, or I or anyone else can do about it at this point. If just a tiny bit of the theory is accurate, there is way too much in place for anything we the people could do to affect this global conspiracy.

So why worry about it?

10/28/2004 11:14:59 AM

THE THOUGHT POLICE ARE COMING TO GET YOU SALISBURYBOY!

10/28/2004 11:16:42 AM

Quote :

"There is nothing you, or I or anyone else can do about it at this point. If just a tiny bit of the theory is accurate, there is way too much in place for anything we the people could do to affect this global conspiracy. So why worry about it? "

So, what you are saying is this...

Assuming that it is true that a powerful cabal of individuals is attempting to transform the United States into a police state the likes of Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia, we should do nothing to try to stop it?

We may not be able to stop it, but we sure won't be able to stop it if we do nothing. We should at least try to stop it.

[Edited on October 28, 2004 at 11:21 AM. Reason : ``]

10/28/2004 11:19:57 AM

youre way out of your league son, but thanks for playing.




let me know when you talk to those families, and I'll pray it never happens to yours. but if it does, we can blame people like you.


(keep an eye open for ufo's too)

10/28/2004 11:20:21 AM

^^ Yes.

10/28/2004 11:21:04 AM

what can you do?

especially given the fact that the majority of people couldn't care less whether or not they're being influenced by some global conspiracy...

as long as their paycheck clears and their beer is cold the American people are content to be left in the dark...

btw, the reason i don't believe you is becuase if this really was a global conspiracy i should hope that they would be better organized than to be undone by the likes of your average joe conspiracy nut...

[Edited on October 28, 2004 at 11:22 AM. Reason : how do you know the CIA had nothing do to with Kennedy's death? well, he's dead isn't he?]

10/28/2004 11:22:14 AM

Quote :

"youre way out of your league son, but thanks for playing. let me know when you talk to those families, and I'll pray it never happens to yours. but if it does, we can blame people like you. (keep an eye open for ufo's too)"

Since you do not attempt to address any of the hard and specific issues of 9/11, I assume you have not seriously looked at the evidence and considered it. I stronly suggest that you do so.

Oh-so clever quips and respones may win you kudos with those who think like you, but it does nothing to seriously address the issue.

As for addressing the families of the victims with this information, I would do so in a heart beat because they need to know the truth. Many of them already would agree with my posion. In fact, it may suprise you know that as many as 400 of the families have filed a lawsuit against Bush and his administration for treason for his actions related to 9/11. The media has been near silent on this lawsuit.

here's one article on the lawsuit:

http://www.cmaq.net/fr/node.php?id=18506

Quote :

""We have evidence, documentary, witnesses, that officials in the pentagon, military, airforce say there were many drills, rehearsals for 9/11 before it happened. That's why Bush says he saw the first plane hit the building on video. We have docs that say Bush ordered 9/11." On June 3 2002, Stanley Hilton, a San Francisco attorney and former aide to Senator Bob Dole, filed a class-action lawsuit in U.S. District Court against George W. Bush and members of his administration, on behalf of 400 9/11 victim family members. The suit alleges that Bush and his administration knowingly allowed the attacks to take place for their own political gain. Hilton has been targetted with death threats, professional threats, and harrassment; his law office was broken into and his professional papers were stolen. "

[Edited on October 28, 2004 at 11:34 AM. Reason : ``]

10/28/2004 11:27:22 AM

How I learned to quit worrying and love the bomb...

You can't stop it, why worry? Live life. If shit gets bad, vote libertarian.

10/28/2004 11:31:26 AM

its not worth the wasted breath to waste time on the silent minority conspiracy theorist as yourself. all you do in return is deny anything with facts that someone else made up, not orignal conclusions. you, and those like you, divide this country by digging up irrelevant bullshit because you havent attained what this country can offer you and know your pissed. maybe ya just need to get laid. those hand jobs dont work like they used to, do they?

10/28/2004 11:35:54 AM