What's going on over there anyway? Is that part of State's campus?

3/29/2011 11:36:35 PM

No; it's privately owned (I think Val Valentine may have part or all of it) and they have planned for it a mixed-use development including privately owned student housing (a la UT) and retail.

3/30/2011 12:23:55 AM

Yeah info on that project is somewhere in this thread. Looks like exactly what Hillsborough needs (place for students to live on the street)

3/30/2011 8:15:07 AM

Does anyone know when the Jackpot/Ihop area mixed use development supposed to break ground?

3/30/2011 8:02:38 PM

Lots of links on the Stanhope project back on page 20.
About 275 apartments.

3/30/2011 9:40:53 PM

The university has been buying up property on Hillsborough across from the bell tower, including Sadlack's and Bell Tower Mart. They hope to sell or lease the land to a developer who will build something to make Hillsborough Street more lively. 10 developers have signed up to be the one to develop this spot.

http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/print-edition/2011/04/15/firms-queue-up-to-land-ncsu-project.html

First, I am concerned that Sadlack's might be lost. It is an institution of Hillsborough Street that must remain. Second, I will be glad to see the rest of that crappy ghetto strip mall come down. Anyone remember the plasma center that used to be on the second floor there?

4/20/2011 3:33:32 PM

prepare for a drunken army (the likes of which have never been seen) if they even try to touch Sadlack's

[Edited on April 20, 2011 at 3:54 PM. Reason : some of my earliest memories are of going to Sad's]

4/20/2011 3:54:00 PM

Sadlack's is a great institution. i had many a beer there after afternoon classes.

4/20/2011 3:57:34 PM

They don't own Sadlacks. "Bell Tower Holdings LLC" owns the POS building next to it. Sadlacks has belonged to R W Schwetz since 9/28/87. That's the older woman who runs the kitchen right?

BTW, a new art collective opened in that little shopping center recently. I haven't checked it out yet.

4/20/2011 4:08:20 PM

^ yep, Rose (I think that's her name)

[Edited on April 20, 2011 at 4:22 PM. Reason : I didn't read the article ]

4/20/2011 4:20:46 PM

I wouldn't be so sure of that; Imaps shows Bell Tower Holdings as the owner of everything between Enterprise and Maiden on Hillsborough street.

http://maps.raleighnc.gov/imapsraleigh/

I hope they know better than to try to tear down Sadlack's.

4/20/2011 4:40:42 PM

Weird. I looked it up on wake.gov and it told me R W Schwetz, but the map that it links to shows otherwise.

http://services.wakegov.com/realestate/Account.asp?id=0005121&stype=addr&stnum=2116&stname=Hillsborough&locidList=&spg=1

4/20/2011 4:45:16 PM

Bell Tower Holdings bought Sadlacks for almost a million dollars last year

4/20/2011 4:54:22 PM

Remember that Bell Tower Holdings is actually the university. Notice that their address is Primrose Hall.

Anyway I hope they tear down everything on that block except Sadlack's and build something big.

The university also has plans to build something on the North Hall parking lot. Looks like a parking garage and something else. It also plans something on the parking lot it owns next to Locopops/Players Retreat. No idea when any of this will happen, but see this image from the current campus master plan:



It looks like the University is stepping up and taking an active role on Hillsborough Street.

[Edited on April 20, 2011 at 5:24 PM. Reason : Felt like it]

4/20/2011 5:21:18 PM

I wish they'd spend some money on the stretch just west of Dan Allen.

4/20/2011 5:27:54 PM

^
yeah cruising in from 440 (eastbound on hills) is fucking pathetic.

shitty ass fucking road, shitty buildings (xcept the new renovation on the tractor building)

that stretch doesnt really appeal to the eye if your coming to visit the college, playing a game (@ doak, the track, reynolds, intramural sports & etc), or in passing going downtown

4/20/2011 7:02:41 PM

West of Dan Allen, beyond the crumbling sidewalks and pavement, what really makes that part of Hillsborough Street ugly is the power lines. They're huge, tall, and zig zag back and forth all over the place. The poles are crooked and covered with staples from decades of posters being tacked to them.

The next chunk of Hillsborough in line for an overhaul is Rosemary to Gardner. They will do something similar to the part of Hillsborough that has already been rebuilt. Namely, rebuild the sidewalks, repave the street, maybe add a roundabout or two, and - most importantly - bury the power lines. Don't know the timeframe, but it's at the very top of the list of city-funded streetscape projects.

4/20/2011 9:10:23 PM

I think the western side of Hboro will get queued up for a facelift once the Stanhope Center is drawing people in. I CANNOT see how they can ignore the state of that side of the street with such a large and valuable project starting.

4/22/2011 1:56:28 AM

does anyone have any recent pictures? this whole thing went down after I left

4/22/2011 2:36:52 AM

hopefully maiden lane keeps its character, if its still there

4/22/2011 7:39:57 AM

"character" = slummy?

4/22/2011 7:49:45 AM

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"Anyway I hope they tear down everything on that block except including Sadlack's and build something big nice."

I don't think they should build anything taller than the bell tower.

And I've never understood why people were so in love with Sadlack's. Or Mitch's for that matter. From the times I've been in both I get the impression they're only surviving because of the old farts who are too enchanted by the name to realize the place sucks now. Disclaimer: I haven't actually eaten food at Sadlack's, it just seemed sketch as hell the few times I had a beer in there. But Mitch's food isn't that great and the service makes me want to choke a bitch.

4/22/2011 1:12:24 PM

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" hopefully maiden lane keeps its character, if its still there"

Been up on Maiden Lane a lot this year and it still has its character with numerous empty houses, crack houses and the like. I've heard rumors of some fraternities that are looking to get a house or get off of Greek Court are looking at renovating some of the larger, but still pretty run down houses before you get to Theta Chi at the end of Maiden.

They do need to knock down the entire complex between Enterprise and Maiden to put something up there. Some kind of nice restaurant/bar place like Top of the Hill in Chapel Hill was discussed in the Technician a few months back. Same goes for the other end of Hillsborough. Once Stanhope goes up they need to bring some new businesses/buildings in to replace the huge losses of the beautiful buildings which once housed Farmhouse, Capital City Comics, etc.

4/22/2011 2:15:41 PM

It looks like a Chipotle is going to open up on Hillsborough Street. Though the address that comes up for the site is opposite the Wachovia, so I wonder if it will be opening in the Atrium food court?

4/22/2011 2:23:02 PM

^I thought Chipotle was supposed to go in the old Wolf Mart/Gopak Bazaar space. But I could be wrong.

^^^
Don't be too quick to judge Sadlack's. Go there for lunch sometime--they actually have really fucking good sandwiches. Plus it serves a valuable purpose as a place for small up-and-coming bands to play. Yeah, some sketchy folk hang out there, but it's definitely a campus institution that earns its keep on more than just nostalgia. As far as Mitch's, I happen to like the food there too, plus the laid-back atmosphere. And I do appreciate the fact that it's been there for 30+ years and is part of the community and the neighborhood around campus. The service can be spotty, and the last few times I've been in there the service has been downright bad, I agree improvement is needed there.

I'm also with you on the height thing--nothing taller than the Bell Tower would be ideal, at least in its direct sight lines/in such a prominent location.

4/22/2011 2:41:44 PM

i never felt welcome at sadlack's

i feel like if you weren't a regular by 1986, they didn't want you in there

i have, however, spread my stink all over mitch's and player's retreat

4/22/2011 2:56:37 PM

Quote :

"And I've never understood why people were so in love with Sadlack's. Or Mitch's for that matter. From the times I've been in both I get the impression they're only surviving because of the old farts who are too enchanted by the name to realize the place sucks now. Disclaimer: I haven't actually eaten food at Sadlack's, it just seemed sketch as hell the few times I had a beer in there. But Mitch's food isn't that great and the service makes me want to choke a bitch."

Sadlack's is damn good. I also enjoy Mitch's... sorry it isn't a pizza or wing joint.

4/22/2011 2:58:29 PM

^ I understand it not being a wing/pizza joint, food still don't impress me. Plus...

Quote :

"Registered : 9/3/2001 (3518.6 days ago)"

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"old farts who are too enchanted by the name to realize the place sucks now"

4/22/2011 4:09:51 PM

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"Plus it serves a valuable purpose as a place for small up-and-coming bands to play."

This


plus Sadlack's has actually come a long way. It used to be way more crappy and sketchy before they had those renovations

4/22/2011 5:05:27 PM

i don't think i've been in there since then... i moved across campus and don't venture to the eateries on hillsborough street as much as i used to

i remember their tuna sandwich being de-licious tho

4/22/2011 5:09:21 PM

Sadlacks has awesome food. I deal with the sketchiness to go eat there. Mitch's is even better and if you go there even semi regularly they'll know your name and what you like to drink, which is nice. You're crazy if you don't like the food and the menu changes frequently as do the beers on draught. My grad school profs always go up there at 4pm every day and after any night class there's usually several that migrate over there and stay til close and on the last day of classes our profs will usually take us there for a "party" where they buy appetizers and we buy drinks (as per university policy). Mitch's and Sadlack's are hole in the wall bars but they're traditional bars for the University that have stood the tests of time for years and years. PR is another strong example of this.

If a bar has been operating long enough by State that it has seen us win a national championship, they're doing great in my book.

4/22/2011 5:23:11 PM

Quote :

"If a bar has been operating long enough by State that it has seen us win a national championship, they're doing great in my book."

4/22/2011 5:26:26 PM

Quote :

"i never felt welcome at sadlack's i feel like if you weren't a regular by 1986, they didn't want you in there i have, however, spread my stink all over mitch's and player's retreat"

haha

my aunt (who is also the daytime bartender at Mitch's) was a little late getting to the hospital the day I was born because she had beer to finish at Sadlack's

and that was in 1986

[Edited on April 22, 2011 at 7:25 PM. Reason : I can't go there and not see someone who has known me since I was little]]

4/22/2011 7:24:41 PM

Quote :

"i never felt welcome at sadlack's i feel like if you weren't a regular by 1986, they didn't want you in there"

Walk in, get stared at by a bunch of old creepy guys, walk back out.

4/22/2011 7:25:31 PM

I've always felt welcome at Sadlacks even though I look like a narc.

4/22/2011 7:42:34 PM

Quote :

"If a bar has been operating long enough by State that it has seen us win a national championship, they're doing great in my book."

so those bars are sadlack's, mitch's and player's retreat... lol am i missing any?

east village? does the brewery still exist? pantana bobs?

that's a pretty good question... what are the longest-lasting bars on hillsborough street?.. does anyone know the answer?

4/23/2011 12:12:13 AM

^Player's Retreat is certainly the oldest. 60 years.

4/23/2011 2:03:43 AM

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" Registered : 9/3/2001 (3518.6 days ago) old farts who are too enchanted by the name to realize the place sucks now "

touche. but seriously, i do like their food. i'm glad they serve things other than deep fry oil.

[Edited on April 23, 2011 at 9:37 AM. Reason : ]

4/23/2011 9:36:27 AM

Great food. The shut up and eat it never disappoints.

4/23/2011 10:24:14 AM

I've never heard of sadlocks. Is it taht place that used to be called heroes? Also, where is mitches? and players retreat?

[Edited on April 23, 2011 at 10:33 AM. Reason : never heard of these places]

4/23/2011 10:33:00 AM

^ did you never walk down Hillsborough Street?

How long has Sub Conscious been around?

4/23/2011 10:52:48 AM

wat

4/23/2011 12:31:08 PM

mitches shows up at global village on the map. I spent about 15 years in raleigh but dont recognize those names. maybe they recently changed the names of those places?

4/23/2011 2:06:35 PM

look higher

4/23/2011 2:19:29 PM

^ha!

4/23/2011 5:44:19 PM

sadcracks-not too bad...good heros, sweet potato fries, prs, and tunes that are agreeable for a half hour or so
mitches-bitches....i get the mexican feast, or the london broil sandwich and overpay for the quality imo, bad service

but i dont frequent hillsboro bars to often. i used to be a daily drinker at the farmhouse RIP.

Katmandu blows, east village not my favorite(i have personal vendetta against), PRs is okay

4/25/2011 6:14:39 PM

All one ever needs to order at Mitch's is the Rodolfo's Feast

4/25/2011 7:45:39 PM

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"my aunt (who is also the daytime bartender at Mitch's)"

no fucking way.

speaking of, i need to start going back there for lunch.

4/25/2011 9:32:28 PM

mitchs has some of the best gumbo east of nola

4/25/2011 9:37:12 PM

the large greek salad is the fucking shit...

salad comes with hummus, grape leaves, potato salad (on top) anchovies (on top) and then regular bomb ass salad ingredients. good stuff. i usually don't even put any dressing on it.

4/26/2011 12:03:34 AM