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"well her daughter was taken away from her when she was very young, of course she wouldn't remember her mother."

no shit

i'm saying that maybe they did brainwash jack and that they (the writers) were alluding to the fact that jack won't remember kate and the rest of them when they get there.

[Edited on March 15, 2007 at 11:00 AM. Reason : ]

3/15/2007 11:00:18 AM

Just got around to watching the episode.

Pretty crazy that Jack and Claire are half siblings. It'll be cool when they realize that. It'd be cool if they have come in contact before but hadn't noticed/realized it. I wonder if Claire will see a "mirage" of her mother the way Jack saw their father. Was pretty disappointed that Sayid and Kate didn't find out about Locke being a para...hey! Perhaps that will surface in the next episode.

This week's was much better than that "Roll a fucking bus down a hill just so I can drive in circles bullshit" episode. Next week should be golden~!

3/15/2007 12:29:00 PM

man, everybody knew jack's dad, sawyer, anna lucia, now claire, i wonder who else

3/15/2007 12:46:38 PM

How did sawyer and anna lucia know jack's dad? i don't remember seeing that.

3/15/2007 12:50:20 PM

sawyer got real drunk with him in some bar in one episode, and anna lucia was his driver for awhile.

[Edited on March 15, 2007 at 1:00 PM. Reason : $$$]

3/15/2007 12:59:48 PM

oh...huh... i skipped a whole season out of frustration. then i was lured back. i should have remembered the anna lucia thing tho

3/15/2007 1:03:45 PM

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"Pretty crazy that Jack and Claire are half siblings. It'll be cool when they realize that."

I doubt they ever will. Jack and Ana Lucia never figured their connection out.

I saw 2 possibilities for the Jack situation:
1. Brainwashing (already discussed)

2. The truth. The others told Jack what is really going on with the island, so now he knows that they really aren't that bad after all.

3/15/2007 1:36:23 PM

3. He is faking it to fit in and plan his attack/escape

3/15/2007 1:47:42 PM

4. he was one of the "others" all along and is fooling the survivors of the plane crash


i also think jack's dad could be "jacob" or whatever.... he is always popping up in episodes

3/15/2007 3:51:00 PM

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"sawyer got real drunk with him in some bar in one episode, and anna lucia was his driver for awhile."

I want to go back and watch this episode because I always wondered who's house it was he had Anna Lucia drop him off at. Apparently it was either Claire or her Aunt but was he there to convince them to finally pull the plug?

3/15/2007 5:02:20 PM

yeah, i'd like to see that part again too, i just remembered it today.

3/15/2007 5:13:13 PM

^^ It wasn't that shocking of a realization. Jack's Dad showed up at some Aussie lady's house shouting all "Let me see my daughter!"

3/15/2007 7:00:27 PM

5. Jack got ass AIDS

3/15/2007 7:29:42 PM

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"Or jack could just be pretending to get along with them, so he can better help himself and juliette escapeget busaaay. "

I'm starting to buy into the hypnotized theory. Thats what they were trying to do to "Karl" after he tried to run off. All the survivors who were "taken" seem to be in an almost medicated, hypnotized daze and are complacent with what the Others ask of them. Now that Jack's services are not needed, he may very well have been put in the hyno-chamber as well.

Mikhail said that they were not "chosen" because they were not on the list. They were not on the list because they were "flawed", "weak", and "angry". I think that this means they had psych profiles on them already that showed they would not respond to the hypno-chamber as the children or some of the more gullible/simpliemided survirvors would. They were not chosen because they could not be trusted to be complacent after hypnosis.

makes sense, eh?

3/16/2007 12:33:06 PM

The only thing worse than that episode is the discussion about that episode.

3/16/2007 1:34:34 PM

What did you dislike about this one?

3/17/2007 2:43:17 AM

if you're at the point where even good episodes seem bad, then it may be time to just stop watching

3/17/2007 8:38:56 AM

If you're at the point where you're confused enough to think bad television is good, then maybe it's time to stop watching.

3/17/2007 10:43:36 AM

at least my option leaves me happy instead of constantly disappointed.

3/17/2007 11:49:08 AM

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"What did you dislike about this one?"

The reveal that Locke somehow knew there was C4 and that he had taken some with him. Was there any up above? Did he ever go down below? I'm willing to chalk this up to my own misremembering, but I don't recall him going downstairs at all. Even if he did, though, why would he knowingly blow up the station? I think it's totally out of character for him, even taking into account things he did in season one to keep them on the island.

The fact that Patchy McGee was killed off because, it felt like, he was too complicated to further deal with. LOLZ THIS GUY CAN TELL US EVERYTHING, BETTER KILL HIM OFF. I don't in any way think that he should be used as a mouth for exposition, but the interaction between a captive Other and the survivors would be interesting to see again, and give him plenty of opportunities to fuck with the survivors. I'm thinking of Battlestar Galactica when the captive cylon told the president that Adama was a cylon.

The fact that the Others' impenetrable barrier can be defeated by sticks. I mean, come on. Sticks.

I loved the reveal of Jack playing football. Except it's been, what...two days? Three? How long has it been? That exact scene would have been amazing two or three weeks later with no sign of Jack in the meantime. I'm not saying they won't have a good explanation (btw, LOLZ UR BRAINWASHED is not a good explanation, and I don't think that's the case at all), but I'm saying two-three days after he's afraid they're going to do him in, it doesn't seem like he'd really be up for playing some touch football.

Jack's dad is Claire's dad! This was pretty much revealed last season (I guess it was last season...whenever). If there's a point to the interconnectedness, that's great. If there isn't, it's just masturbation.

Oh, and Claire's brilliant plan to escape, by writing a note (pointlessly long and emotional, lacking seemingly important information required to locate them, but whatever) on a piece of paper and tying it to a sea gull, seems to have only one flaw: it requires the sea gull never gets wet. I mean, put that shit in a zip lock or something. Fuck.


Anyways, that's for starters. I want to like this show so badly. I liked the first segment of season 3 a lot more than most people did. And this episode certainly wasn't as bad as the magic tattoo ep, which was absolutely the worst moment of the entire series. But, come on, I don't even feel like the show's creators know where they're going anymore.

3/17/2007 10:03:23 PM

there was a tube/capsule on the seagull's leg. they rolled the note up into a tight scroll and inserted it into a tube...that's what keeps it from getting wet...

3/17/2007 10:25:52 PM

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"The reveal that Locke somehow knew there was C4 and that he had taken some with him. Was there any up above? Did he ever go down below?"

there was a significant amount of time that he was inside w/out cameras

3/17/2007 11:02:50 PM

For all you people who just post on here about how bad the show is, think about this: you are spending at least 2 hours a week (watching show and posting on a board) about the show. That is exactly what the writers want you to do: watch the show and talk about it to generate more interest. Even bad publicity is publicity.

LOST wins.

and I don't think this show is GREAT by any means, but I like it because it isn't your traditional show that has a beginning, middle and end with answers to every problem. It keeps you guessing and thinking about things. If they came out and gave you answers to all the questions, why would we watch?

3/19/2007 5:21:01 PM

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"i also think jack's dad could be "jacob" or whatever.... he is always popping up in episodes"

Did anyone else think that maybe when Jack's dad was talking to Claire about "other alternatives" to pulling the plug on her mom that he was talking about doing some private experiments/treatment to her?? (as in on the island)

I'm not a big Lost analyst but I thought that line could have given it away that he is "Jacob" and in charge of the experiments and what not on the island

3/19/2007 10:41:03 PM

this shit is all about submarines

3/20/2007 1:34:03 AM

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"If they came out and gave you answers to all the questions, why would we watch?"

Heroes does a really good job of answering questions. In fact, they do it to avoid doing what Lost does.

3/20/2007 5:44:57 AM

lost >> heroes

3/20/2007 5:53:52 AM

Heroes does a really good job of advertising why you should watch each episode

i'd say that's a little sad

people should want to watch your show, not told to watch your show

3/20/2007 6:54:20 AM

^^^ That's easy to do in your first season... everything is new, so everything is an answer. The first Locke flashback we found out he was in a wheelchair, and it was a pretty surprising moment, but that was because we knew nothing about his character. Heroes gives a bunch of answers every episode, they will have to scramble to come up with a bunch of new questions for season 2.

3/20/2007 8:41:43 AM

I read somewhere that each new season of Heroes will be an entirely new storyline. If that's the case they shouldn't have as much trouble as Lost.

3/20/2007 12:44:38 PM

I havent watched Heroes, but then again I didnt get into LOST until near the end of S2. While I cant possibly imagine Heroes being better than LOST (save the cheerleader save the world LOL) I am open to giving it a shot after S2 gets under way.

3/20/2007 12:46:55 PM

who is jacob?

3/20/2007 12:54:27 PM

a jewler.

3/20/2007 12:55:09 PM

It is largely assumed that "Jacob" is the leader of the others who we have not been able to see yet. The name was hinted at by the guy who wanted to kill Sawyer (name?) when he said : "We can kill him, he's not on Jacobs list". We now know that this "list" is a pretty important part of the others plans and whoever made this list, must be their leader.....

I doubt we will find out the answers to these questions until the end of the season....

3/20/2007 1:36:53 PM

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"I doubt we will EVER find out the answers to these questions until the end of the season"

fixed it for you

3/20/2007 1:59:51 PM

the list contains names of people who are worthy to be assimilated into the "other's" program...

remember when jack was in the cage and people came by and looked at him and stuff. they were abducted into the "other's" program and probably brainwashed to assimilate.

3/20/2007 2:28:09 PM

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3/21/2007 2:53:05 PM

maybe they'll actually tell us why Locke was in a wheelchair and why the island cured him.

probably not though.

3/21/2007 3:00:20 PM

I think they will tell us why he was in the wheelchair.

I SERIOUSLY doubt they tell us why the island cured him.

3/21/2007 3:20:52 PM

i cant wait for more confusing twists and questions.





i dont need answers though. answers are for losers.

















[Edited on March 21, 2007 at 3:26 PM. Reason : ]

3/21/2007 3:26:38 PM

submarines? omfgbbqsaws!

3/21/2007 9:16:14 PM

Did he say, "because I won't come back for you." or "but I will come back for you."

3/21/2007 9:29:16 PM

the latter.

3/21/2007 9:30:50 PM

I heard, But I will come back for you

3/21/2007 9:40:54 PM

Ha that's a good one.

[Edited on March 21, 2007 at 9:59 PM. Reason : his dad]

3/21/2007 9:59:23 PM

jesus christ, I hope it's charlie who dies

3/21/2007 10:00:04 PM

i liked the episode.

3/21/2007 10:00:14 PM

Um... wtf? Locke is my least favorite character

3/21/2007 10:00:19 PM

Sun smacked Sawyer yelling "Don't call me Tokyo Rose! Hoss!"

3/21/2007 10:06:51 PM

yeah, did the tivo slow-mo for the preview, it's def. a girl who they are burying.


my $ is on Katie


other sensible guess is the 'eurochick'

3/21/2007 10:12:16 PM