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" Catwoman for the next movie? There are two hints dropped: first, morgan freeman says the new suit might not protect against dogs, but definitely "cats" and then gives him that O_O stare."

Thought about that...but just thought I was overreaching...Bruce will need a love interest for the next movie.


III

7/19/2008 3:19:12 PM

going at 8:15 tonight

7/19/2008 3:44:20 PM

I think it'd be fairly easy to do The Long Halloween as the next movie and just tweak out the Joker's involvement. It'd fit the mob storylines, the involvement of Catwoman as a love interest and not a villain, and the general noir-ish feel of this series of films. Then again, TLH relies on a ton of villains, most of which haven't been introduced in these films...so maybe not.

7/19/2008 3:48:03 PM

there's no way in hell they'll bring back the joker as another actor. they'll probably just allude to him being locked up in an asylum and that'll be the end of it.

7/19/2008 4:06:20 PM

i truly think the third one, much like the first 2, is not going to be based on a previous work at all, but rather an amalgam of influences coming together to wind up the trilogy.

we may not even get a new villain.

we may still see crispin glover or javier bardem take the mantle of the joker.


who knows, at this point.

7/19/2008 4:07:27 PM

I don't think anyone would dare try to take over this version of the Joker.

I wouldn't rule out a peek through his cell window at Arkham to a dude in the shadows in the makeup, but no one else is getting that speaking role.

7/19/2008 4:27:40 PM

^agreed

7/19/2008 4:29:24 PM

another possible scenario for the next villain I have read about is Mr. Reese, the guy who was going to out Bruce Wayne. Mr. Reese sounds alot like "mysteries," possibly implying the Riddler. That's a pretty big reach though.

7/19/2008 5:04:05 PM

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"there's no way in hell they'll bring back the joker as another actor. they'll probably just allude to him being locked up in an asylum and that'll be the end of it."

are you kidding? its like taking over for jack, it seemed impossible but it was done, the fact is the show must go on and someone else will step in
its been done before, like with Crow

no one is bigger than the part

7/19/2008 5:12:24 PM

There haven't been any huge canonical name changes as of yet, I can't see them making the Riddler out of anyone other than Nigma.

^ We're talking about two entirely different continuities and two entirely different Jokers. No one else can do this part, and there's no reason to with the number of viable characters in the Batman universe.

7/19/2008 5:15:24 PM

I do a very good Heath Ledger Joker impression already. Maybe they can hire me.

7/19/2008 5:18:15 PM

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"are you kidding? its like taking over for jack, it seemed impossible but it was done, the fact is the show must go on and someone else will step in"

LOL. and it's nothing like the crow at all

7/19/2008 5:29:21 PM

This was an awesome movie. Heath Ledger certainly carried this movie, I got the feeling early on that Ledger studied a lot of Nicholson's Joker. Still, he managed to turn the Joker into his own character. Awesome performance. The rest of the acting was simply outstanding. My only minor criticism was I thought it ran a little long, but there really weren't any scenes that could have been cut. (well, that and the sound was about 50dB louder than it needed to be, but that wasn't the movie's fault). A++


I really wish they would let this particular Batman franchise stop here. I get the feeling a third installment would result in something akin to the third matrix or worse.










****Spoilers/Comments****





-What exactly happened to commissioner Gordon? Either they never said or I missed it the part where they explained it. Was the mob in on faking his death?

-The scenes where the Joker put himself in suicidal positions kind of creeped me out, given the fact of Ledger's death. Especially when he puts the gun to his head in the hospital scene.





****end spoilers****

[Edited on July 19, 2008 at 5:34 PM. Reason : one more thing. ]

7/19/2008 5:29:47 PM

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"-The scenes where the Joker put himself in suicidal positions kind of creeped me out, given the fact of Ledger's death. Especially when he puts the gun to his head in the hospital scene."

he offed himself. accidental drug overdose my ass




went at NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING and i will never go to a big movie unless it's in the morning again. was done at Noon, no fucking thugs in there, no kids, no obnoxious people.

i love discoveries.

[Edited on July 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM. Reason : ]

7/19/2008 5:47:18 PM

ha ha, this just popped up on my photo-of-the minute thing

7/19/2008 5:50:00 PM

Anthony Michael Hall is in it!

7/19/2008 7:11:42 PM

I heard the "cat" quote from freeman and thought about catwoman but just figured it was coincidence only..

i like the theory someone said earlier about Mr. Reese turning into riddler...i could definitely see them going someway with that, given his knowledge of batman's identity.

However, i wish they would just end it here. I think the 3rd one could turn into a spiderman 3 or "we are trying too hard, but want the money"

7/19/2008 7:20:46 PM

i don't buy that reese will become anything more. i mean, bruce wayne (whom he knows to be batman) saved his life, and he suddenly becomes a criminal mastermind with a vendetta? no way.

7/19/2008 7:23:48 PM

I loved the scene where the plane took Bats and Luo away from his building. It was done in Dr. No many years ago, but this was much more bad ass.

7/19/2008 7:41:20 PM

^it was Thunderball

7/19/2008 7:44:35 PM

hol-ee shit that was amazing. I was on the edge of my seat the whole way through.

This is nearly impossible to top. The sheer number of stunts and improvisations the Joker pulled off was staggering. And it was a dark, very grim movie. So many people died, so many reversals and betrayals took place. A lot of times there was crazy shit going down and the Joker just strolled on through the chaos. If Nolan does the next Batman he really has his work cut out for him.

Oh and I'm definitely going to see it at IMAX.

What's everyone's take on "the note"? It'll likely never come up again, but it adds an interesting dimension to the love triangle.

[Edited on July 19, 2008 at 8:07 PM. Reason : .]

7/19/2008 7:51:46 PM

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"I was kinda expecting him not to kill rachel though, would have been a great twist to have rachel come back at the end alive and see what happened to dent and reject him further pushing him over the edge."

I dont remember his back story but I think that would have been incorrect. And that wouldn't work.

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"the bitch who played rachel was heinous (in comparison to Katie Holmes) and a bad actor."

I hope you are joking. If you arn't you are a fucking moron.

7/19/2008 8:46:29 PM

^^how so? it's not like it makes any difference now.

[Edited on July 19, 2008 at 8:48 PM. Reason : ]

7/19/2008 8:47:50 PM

Lets try to get an answer for the 3rd film.

Here is the problem I see.

After this one being so good, how in the hell do you make a better film or get a better villain?

What could possibly be a better villain in a 3rd film?

I dont think it can be done. And that bothers me. It also makes me think that Nolan might not do another movie based on limited material.

Can anyone make a case for any other villain being nearly as good?

side note: I LOVE the fact that he lied about his scars twice. No back story is what you have to have to accept the Joker as a given. Nolan is a fucking genius.

[Edited on July 19, 2008 at 9:14 PM. Reason : side]

[Edited on July 19, 2008 at 9:22 PM. Reason : v]

7/19/2008 8:59:50 PM

R'as Al Ghul.. we didn't see him die. Lazarus pits. Talia. Bring in Bane properly and have them try to ruin Gotham again. But with a plague. Or something.

7/19/2008 9:19:15 PM

SPOILERS (select to read)

It's not that often that "the girl" dies and she would've actually ended up with someone else. She's almost always in love with the hero. Bruce still thinks she could've ended up with him and only Alfred (and Two-Face) know the truth.

7/19/2008 9:36:45 PM

^^ We really need to see a broken back!

7/19/2008 9:55:36 PM

I had high expectations for this movie, and was not let down at all. To paraphrase what Batman said near the end of the flim, "people need to have their faith rewarded." I know mine was.

There's not really anything that I can say that hasn't already been said, but it's worth reiterating that NOBODY will ever make a better Joker than Ledger. His performance was absolutely perfect. Bale and everybody else gave well-done, crucial performances, but Ledger was pure money. He was on a whole 'nother level, and it is a crying shame that he can never come back to do another film.

I saw this with one of my friends, but he hated it on the grounds that the Joker portrayed anarchists as insane or something. This isn't the first time he's done this, either. I really wish he'd take off his political/anarcho-libertarian glasses when watching a movie, especially one as awesome as this. This is the last time I'm taking him to the movies.

7/19/2008 10:13:57 PM

someone we saw the movie with said they'd recorded footage of the joker to be used in the next film. if it's true, then maybe the next movie isn't lost afterall.

7/19/2008 10:32:01 PM

Saw it tonight. Loved it.

Before tonight, I didn't think anyone could pass Nicholson's Joker, and 1/3 or so of the way through Dark Knight, I still couldn't see what was supposed to be so great about Ledger's performance. But as the film went on and he seemed to sink further and further, I was really impressed. He definitely carried the whole movie--it felt much more like it was about the Joker rather than about Batman.

I just hope they don't fuck up the next one like Spiderman 3, X-Men 3, Batman Forever, Superman 3...will Nolan be the one to buck the trend?

7/19/2008 11:08:13 PM

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"I had high expectations for this movie, and was not let down at all. To paraphrase what Batman said near the end of the flim, "people need to have their faith rewarded." I know mine was."

eh...i thought the whole "gotham needs to be saved" aspect of this movie was weak. it was much stronger in the first film.

basically the movie starts and you know basically just know the bad guys are the bad guys and the good guys are the good guys. and they fight each other just because...

like i said previously, the characters themselves are so strong that they overshadow the story....so when the story ends and gordon is giving his inspirational speech about batman's new role in gotham at the end, i was left a little befuddled about the point of the film and how it was executed.

7/19/2008 11:11:09 PM

^Really? I thought it flowed very well and was set thoroughly through the dialog between Bruce/Batman and Gordon and Harvey/Two-Face in the respective characters. Throughout the movie, they all conversed about what they thought Gotham needed, and how it could be achieved.

And it was very appropriate of how Bruce/Batsy decided to just be Bruce b/c Gotham had a true "White Knight," and how Batsy discussed with Harvey when Harvey had the criminal one on one.

It was excellently pointed out and easy to follow IMO.



III

[Edited on July 20, 2008 at 12:03 AM. Reason : .]

7/20/2008 12:02:55 AM

i got yer harvey dent

7/20/2008 12:11:13 AM

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"It's really a shame that Ledger died, because if they did introduce Robin they could have run something like the "A Death in the Family" story arc and have the Joker kill Robin with a fucking crowbar."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=quM_641RG64

crowbar ownage at 3:40

7/20/2008 12:16:52 AM

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"I thought it flowed very well and was set thoroughly through the dialogue between Bruce/Batman and Gordon and Harvey/Two-Face in the respective characters. Throughout the movie, they all conversed about what they thought Gotham needed, and how it could be achieved. "

I guess I didn't believe it because it was conveyed through dialogue between the main characters. In Batman Begins, you see how bad Gotham is through Bruce and Rachel's perspectives...you see how Bruce was affected by the mobs in his youth growing up and and you see how Rachel was fighting to save the city in spite of the corruption. You see Batman interacting with the poor and the young who need hope and something to hang onto.

In TDK, everyone only talks about how bad Gotham is...and even then its not really that bad--especially when the mobsters have a conference where the Joker tells them they're not doing enough anymore and the whole "Gotham deserves a better class of criminal" line. All the dialogue about the state of Gotham is very political, appears fake and seems to be a lot of hype for Dent's campaign. You only ever see the public in the background, save for the ferries, but by then that's the end of the movie. Everything else that happens in the movie happens to Batman, Joker, Rachel, Dent, Gordon, and the mob bosses--none of those people make up Gotham City.

So when Gordon goes on his spat about how Batman now has to be the outcast to save Gotham and give Gotham hope, I don't believe him and I don't believe that it's as relevant as they make it out to be.

7/20/2008 12:22:42 AM

i have a certain opinion on a matter but i won't type it because ill just get flamed


overall i really liked it, i was rooting for the joker the whole time and at one point i was thinking how awesome it would be if he was carried over in the next movie, but then i was like "O YEA D'OH"

anyone else think, when he had the nurse outfit and the red wig on that he looked a lot like brittany murphy?

7/20/2008 12:22:58 AM

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"eh...i thought the whole "gotham needs to be saved" aspect of this movie was weak. it was much stronger in the first film."

I agree to an extent. The city never felt like it was really that bad off or in any real danger until joker started going crazy. *shrug*

^^ there you go

[Edited on July 20, 2008 at 12:24 AM. Reason : ]

7/20/2008 12:23:47 AM

the only angle i could find of the joker in the nurse outfit at first look, but i dunno, when they are side-by-side its less apparent

7/20/2008 12:34:53 AM

7/20/2008 12:36:09 AM

i feel like i heard a rumor somewhere that David Tennant wants to play the riddler.

7/20/2008 12:38:09 AM

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"anyone else think, when he had the nurse outfit and the red wig on that he looked a lot like brittany murphy?"

I actually thought the same thing

7/20/2008 1:25:09 AM

I thought it was great. One of the greatest comic movies ever.

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"eh...i thought the whole "gotham needs to be saved" aspect of this movie was weak. it was much stronger in the first film."

Yeah I felt the same way.

It seemed like other than the Joker, things were much better in Gotham than they were in the 1st movie.

7/20/2008 1:52:25 AM

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"In TDK, everyone only talks about how bad Gotham is...and even then its not really that bad--"

are you kidding? the entire movie shit kept escalating and it felt like pure chaos. they had to call in the fucking national guard

7/20/2008 2:13:50 AM

it was supposed to be bad from the beginning, though. there was no sense of danger at the start of the film. in fact, they made it seem as if the majority of the "bad guys" were running scared and things were better than they'd been in ages

7/20/2008 2:15:51 AM

all I have to say is...

WOW!

7/20/2008 2:16:46 AM

Despide Ledger's Joker probably being "darker" than Nicholson's, Jack's killed far more people during the movie than Ledger's.

7/20/2008 2:54:05 AM

Batman: The Dark Knight is so far beyond Tim Burton's simplistic interpretations it's unbelievable. Burton and Company were making live-action cartoons; Christopher Nolan and his cast were making art.

And the late Heath Ledger's performance was nothing short of brilliant. He managed to find and bring to the screen the very essence of the Joker, while simultaneously reinventing the character--Jack Nicholson merely aped a caricature. Ledger deserves at least a posthumous Oscar nomination for his Dark Knight performance, and I actually think he should be awarded the statuette.

In any event, it's satisfying to see studios and filmmakers finally realize that most fans want to see serious interpretations of the various superheroes' mythoi. It's long overdue.

7/20/2008 3:17:47 AM

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"i feel like i heard a rumor somewhere that David Tennant wants to play the riddler."

Yeah, he wants to play the Riddler but, whether or not they'll cast him, we'll see. Gary Oldman hinted (or should I say he pretty much confirmed?) that the Riddler is next though: [in response to the question as to whether or not they will get someone else to play the Joker]:

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"“I don’t see why not. I mean, they did it with Katie Holmes’ character. I understand that this is a different circumstance, but I think another actor could do the job. I think Heath would want another actor to do the job.” Oldman then took a moment to think about it some more, “Maybe we don’t need the Joker. Because we’ll have The Riddler.”"

(source: http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/29/gary-oldman-talks-recasting-the-joker-the-riddler-for-dark-knight-sequel/)

As far as David Tennant... he definitely is able to act eccentric, but he's kind of been typecasted as a good guy. I'd be interested to see him as a villain.

[Edited on July 20, 2008 at 4:22 AM. Reason : ]

7/20/2008 3:57:48 AM

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"I read on a few different places that he wants to play the Riddler."

Yes. This is exactly what I said..


anyway.

my first pick for riddler would have been gary oldman but we all know why he can't be

maybe Crispin Glover, Steve Buscemi, Tim Blake Nelson to throw out some random names that look like they could be creepy psychos

I haven't seen David Tennant in much to be honest.

[Edited on July 20, 2008 at 4:14 AM. Reason : njninj]

7/20/2008 4:08:09 AM

23,611 views on IMDB

9.5 rating

uh yeah

that is the highest rated movie on IMDB! Godfather #2 at 9.1

7/20/2008 5:36:53 AM