u gon get raepd

1/20/2012 4:33:03 PM

Quote :

"As you said, "left" and "right" libertarians have essentially the same ideal: a perfectly voluntarist society. I think what varies is what we should focus on to reach that ideal. Personally, I recognize that the government is the source of the worst atrocities of our era. I think there's plenty of common ground, so let's work toward what we all agree on: not killing people, not putting peaceful people in jail, and not allowing the government to confer special benefits to corporate interests."

Left and right don't agree, precisely because "voluntary" shifts in definition between these labels. There are forms of coercion the right is not willing to accept (practically any financial or economic coercion); having defined its own forms of coercion and aggression out of the field, the conclusions that follow are no longer the same.

I honestly think peoples' backs can be against the wall, even if only due to the collusion of private owners. This is going to imply a different attitude and definition of both "property" and "voluntary". They just don't mean the same thing to left and right, and the consequences between one and the other would differ wildly.

1/21/2012 1:19:32 PM

Institute for Justice attorney Steve Simpson:

"People banding together in groups and exercising their right to free speech, to protest a court decision that held that people should be able to band together in groups and exercise their right to free speech — that's a little bit ironic."

1/24/2012 3:45:14 PM

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"ou realize that capitalism by definition isn't merit-based, its capital-based? Since the advent of robots and computers, its not necessarily even (human)work-based."

I would say that it's merit-based. It's just that the metric for merit is financial.

Now, I'm pretty pro-market and capitalist, but I recognize that in practice, we almost all value some things a little differently than would a perfectly capitalist market, and it is within these margins that I am accepting of regulation. Those margins, for me, are much smaller than for most people whom we would view as more authoritarian/less capitalist/whatever/ than I am.

1/24/2012 3:55:53 PM

Finally, those capitalist pigs will pay for their crimes, eh? Eh comrades?

1/24/2012 11:43:01 PM

More than 300 arrested as anti-foreclosure demonstrators attempt to take over city's vacant convention centre.

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" Demonstrators shielded themselves as police fired projectiles and chemicals during a confrontation [Reuters] Police have fired tear gas and flash grenades while arresting more than 300 people as anti-Wall Street protesters tried but failed to take over downtown buildings, including the city hall, in Oakland, California. Protesters from Occupy Oakland - the local offshoot of Occupy Wall Street - first targeted the empty Henry J Kaiser convention center on Saturday, before trying to take over the city hall, but were forcibly removed from each area by police. Police spokesperson Johnna Watson told the AFP news agency that throughout the day's events three police officers had been injured, police vehicles vandalized and shop windows shattered. "We will be dealing with this into the evening, for as long as it takes," she said. The bulk of arrests occurred in one incident when protesters were kettled by police into a city block. Activists told Al Jazeera that they entered the YMCA building on that street in order to find an escape from arrest. Some managed to escape through back doors before police entered and detained those who were left. The Oakland Police Department already faces numerous lawsuits for excessive force during protests, including for a mass arrest incident in late 2010 in which 148 people were arrested "unconstitutionally", according to the lawsuit. Occupy Oakland had earlier announced a weekend "rise up festival" to be held in an unspecified empty building. It threatened the city, saying that activists would indefinitely shut down the airport, stop business at the port and take over city hall, if the city would not allow them to move into a building as planned. The protest group had been ousted for the first time from its camp in a park outside the city hall building on October 25 after clashes with police, but has maintained regular protests ever since. "Amazing day," read one entry on Occupy Oakland's Twitter feed late on Saturday. "We didnt get in the building, but fought like our future depended on it." 'Improvised explosive devices' In a statement from earlier on Saturday, police said the initial arrests took place when protesters ignored a dispersal order and assaulted officers with rocks and other objects. The demonstration, which started out peacefully, brought together an estimated 2,000 people, who marched towards the convention centre that includes a 5,500-seat arena, theater and event spaces. Once there, several protesters tried to tear down a fence and occupy the building, according to media reports. The police press release stated that the crowd "charged a skirmish line at Oak Street and pelted officers with bottles, metal pipe, rocks, spray cans, improvised explosive devices and burning flares". After the marchers were dispersed, about 500 of them regrouped and continued their protest at the city centre plaza, where some burned an American flag on the city hall steps and tried to take over the building. "If the cops are willing to defend property over people, I think that shows where the city's priorities are," said Carla Orendorff, a student at University of California Davis. 'Stop using Oakland' After incidents ended on Saturday night, Occupy Oakland activists vowed to return to the streets and attempt to take over another vacant building on Sunday. Saturday was the most turbulent day of protests in Oakland since November, when police forcefully dismantled an Occupy encampment. Oakland was among the cities with the largest and most vocal Occupy protests early on. The city came into the spotlight after police used force to move out hundreds of demonstrators who had set up tents outside city hall. An exasperated Mayor Jean Quan, who faced heavy criticism for the police action last autumn, then called on the Occupy movement to "stop using Oakland as its playground". The Occupy protests against inequality and corporate influence on US politics began last September in New York and quickly spread around the country. Earlier this month, a court-appointed monitor submitted a report to a federal judge that included "serious concerns'' about the department's handling of the Occupy protests. "

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/01/201212965453169669.html


Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO_wH5cLjYw


Shit's gonna get ugly.



[Edited on January 29, 2012 at 11:39 PM. Reason : ]

1/29/2012 11:38:21 PM

One of the cops injured in the protest is going to be secretly entered into a human cyborg project, but lose his memories, only to slowly regain them over time, and then rise up to become the savior of the people against an increasingly militaristic and fascist police force.

1/29/2012 11:59:55 PM

^^ Oakland has a history of ugly protest that is for sure. I watched this all on their livestream. It was great watching the Oakland Police give a different story to the MSM than what I saw happening live just minutes before.

1/30/2012 9:44:05 AM

at this point why even try policing them...

let them go out of control, let it come to a boil and start to riot or whatever, or set the convention on fire. etc.. anyways..
let it pan out for a few days and see what these people are capable of.


then just call in an FA-18F super hornet strike package, laze the targets and be done with this nonsense.

1/30/2012 9:54:04 AM

Quote :

"After the marchers were dispersed, about 500 of them regrouped and continued their protest at the city centre plaza, where some burned an American flag on the city hall steps and tried to take over the building."

yep. those occupy protesters really love America. yep.



also, SanFraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan is calling for it's occupy dumbasses to leave today

1/30/2012 10:25:51 AM

At least three people ITT have no idea what OWS is all about.

1/30/2012 11:03:54 AM

hell, occupy barely knows what the hell occupy is all about

1/30/2012 11:34:23 AM

Yep. Hundreds of thousands of people are taking time out of their busy lives to potentially get arrested over a cause they don't know what it's about.

1/30/2012 11:49:01 AM

who's the third person?

I'm only counting two...on this page, anyway...

[Edited on January 30, 2012 at 12:02 PM. Reason : ]

1/30/2012 11:54:35 AM

The curious question is what happens if the Oakland protests and violence starts spilling over into more prosperous neighboring areas such as San Francisco, Berkeley or even down to San Jose. On one hand, I'm sure that large progressive populations in those cities are providing the manpower and funds that are fueling the current battle. However, Oakland is kind of a crime-ridden, dumping ground for the region, and it would be interesting to see what happens if the insurgency they're fueling begins engulfing their neatly manicured and well ordered towns.

1/30/2012 11:58:21 AM

occupy charlotte was cute this morning-

a bunch of kids wearing much nicer clothes than me and the homeless bums they paid to increase their ranks (with their parents money).

even cuter was they only showed up long enough to appease the channel 14 camera crew and then dispersed the various starbucks and underpass locations.

1/30/2012 11:58:36 AM

Don't worry, next spring/summer will be unprecedented. I guarantee you there will be some major action going down. Your questions will be answered.

If ron paul fails to win the presidency, you're going to see a civil war with the next 10 years. Americas vs the Government.

1/30/2012 12:01:57 PM

im sure-

1/30/2012 1:06:37 PM

Occupy oakland flag burning.

Good shit. Look at GeniuSxBoY laughing in the back.

BTW, GeniuSxBoY there's several websites (hell google probably has it) for hamas recruits. Why do you sit here in a country you hate when there are so many militant options you can join and 'take it to the anglo saxons' instead of just sitting idle on a chat forum nobody gives a shit about?

[Edited on January 30, 2012 at 1:35 PM. Reason : ,]

1/30/2012 1:35:22 PM

hes not typically idle-

if hes being quiet then hes suspended-

^and fuck those little douchenozzles. shit like this is why oakland has been a joke since the 60s. those little fuckers are far more detrimental to this "cause" then any republican or foxnews etc.

1/30/2012 2:57:53 PM

In your opinion, do you believe that those people accurately represent the Occupy Wall Street movement?

Does burning the flag have anything to do with Wall Street?

[Edited on January 30, 2012 at 5:02 PM. Reason : .]

1/30/2012 4:59:34 PM

They are there in the name of "Occupy Wall Street"

so yes, they represent the movement

1/30/2012 5:16:18 PM

Wow burning a stolen flag...good job.

1/30/2012 5:20:12 PM

Quote :

"They are there in the name of "Occupy Wall Street" so yes, they represent the movement "

A group of people wore MisterGreen shirts and did stupid things like burn a flag, it means MisterGreen approves of it because they represent MisterGreen and his philosophies.

1/30/2012 5:26:09 PM

OWS as a whole should denounce the entirety of the Oakland chapter then,

1/30/2012 5:28:03 PM

^^They are OWS protesters. who exactly do they represent, then, you dense fuck?

1/30/2012 5:52:03 PM

They represent anti-wall street. It's in the name.

Not anti-american.
Not anti-Mister Green.


anti-wall street.

This includes the big bankers, the lobbyists, the superpacs, corporations with the same rights as people. It can't be any more easy to understand.

[Edited on January 31, 2012 at 2:17 AM. Reason : .]

1/31/2012 2:12:13 AM

So they are at an OWS rally...and they are "anti-wall street"....but somehow they shouldn't be considered representative of the OWS movement.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

1/31/2012 7:22:07 AM

Gotta love how conservatives and racists/jingoists/nationalists of other forms shed a tear when a flag is burned, but don't bat an eyelash when a woman is beaten brutally (so long as the woman is a liberal protestor)

1/31/2012 9:51:35 AM

^gotta love how liberal fucks like you take every opportunity to say something devisive.

1/31/2012 9:58:05 AM

I ain't no liberal and to be quite honest, liberals and conservatives are looking more and more alike.

1/31/2012 10:07:05 AM

well what did the liberal protester woman do to get beaten?

we need more context-

i would bat an eyelash if it was unjustified... burning a flag really isnt ever.

[Edited on January 31, 2012 at 10:15 AM. Reason : it only serves to turn those that might have listened to you against you]

1/31/2012 10:09:53 AM

So if the USA invaded Mexico tomorrow just for the hell of it then it wouldn't be justified to burn the flag? Speaking in absolutes when talking about politics is generally a poor decision.

1/31/2012 10:18:03 AM

^what would burning the flag do? invading mexico would just show how dumb our leadership is, not our country.

burning the flag is like saying, "here. don't take me seriously anymore"

1/31/2012 10:22:41 AM

really doing anything symbolic for the sheer purpose of just hating you isnt very productive in any situation.

maybe your recently deceased grandmother left behind a pitbull that chewed up my kitten... i might have a legitimate complaint against the dog and your family.

instead i go take a shit on her grave and now the entire community hates me.

wtg!

1/31/2012 10:28:14 AM

It's a powerful image used in rebuttal against actions that are viewed as un-American. Since everyone has a different interpretation of what that means some people disagree with the action. Would you be tempted to burn a flag if the government decided to nationalize the entire oil industry?

1/31/2012 10:31:37 AM

no. id whine about over-reaching government power and then id shut my face when gas was $1 a gallon.

1/31/2012 10:34:06 AM

Quote :

"So they are at an OWS rally...and they are "anti-wall street"....but somehow they shouldn't be considered representative of the OWS movement. THAT MAKES SENSE. "

Not all the actions that occupy members perform is an act that is associated or connected to OWS.
If an OWS PERSON is vegetarian, it doesn't mean OWS is against eating meat.
If an OWS GROUP is gay, it doesn't mean OWS is for gays.
If an OWS burns a flag, it doesn't mean OWS is against America.

OWS is about what all OWS protesters have in common, that is, they are against Wall Street.

1/31/2012 12:20:27 PM

well at least we now know that your knowledge of the movement is representative of the average participant.

thanks!

please insert token rant against "evil corporations" below and move along, "dude."

1/31/2012 12:29:09 PM

willy, do you realize that they just posted a picture of OWS protesters burning a flag and claiming that all OWS protesters agree with that action when in reality burning a flag has nothing to do with the movement?

You bypass their "below average" knowledge and aim to criticize me for having "average" knowledge of the movement?

What's your agenda there?

1/31/2012 12:39:42 PM

^^^this is such a simplistic thought it goes without saying you shouldnt have even wasted your time typing it.

Quote :

"they are against Wall Street."

this is a simplistic thought, one that you share with the vast majority of uninformed OWS protesters. further pressed on this question you (and they) would lock up completely.

so let me break it down even further for your pizza-riddled brain.

point me to the OWS movement condemning the flag burning. point me to them decrying the entire occupy oakland movement as a complete farce because all oakland has been since the 60s is a MAGNET TO OUTSIDE PARTIES LOOKING TO TURN THE CITY INTO A PLAYGROUND.

nationwide this is just one big undirected "party." occupy charlotte only comes out of the sewer when a camera comes around. its a complete joke and so is anybody that takes it seriously.

[Edited on January 31, 2012 at 12:51 PM. Reason : -]

1/31/2012 12:49:29 PM

Yeah. dont blame us for putting OWS on blast when they themselves haven't comdemned this behavior.

Since they haven't outlined any consice platform, how are we to know they aren't against that? how would you even know?

1/31/2012 1:27:51 PM

Oh boo hoo they don't wear US flag lapel pins either

1/31/2012 1:39:39 PM

Hell, even Anonymous will go out and condemn organizations that make attacks in their name.

1/31/2012 1:53:12 PM

What if they burned the flag while wearing tri-cornered hats and "don't tread on me" t-shirts?

1/31/2012 1:56:18 PM

You mean "Some people, claiming to be Anonymous, will sometimes say that other people, claiming to be Anonymous, are not actually Anonymous."

1/31/2012 1:56:34 PM

For the record, I don't condone the burning of the flag or the destroying of property. Not because I'm necessarily against those actions, but because even the slightest acts of aggression will give detractors an excuse to sit back and revel in gross abuse of power by the state.

It wasn't until pictures of dogs attacking marchers in Birmingham and of children being sprayed by firemen that the sentiment gained traction during the civil rights marches. The Occupy protesters, in my opinion, have to be willing to take several punches to the gut and show incredible restraint if they want to draw attention to how the government (and law enforcement) is disproportionately in favor of the criminal corporate class instead of the every-day citizen.

Otherwise the jingoistic and nationalist assholes across the country will applaud the gross violation of civil liberties toward their fellow countrymen while calling themselves patriots.



[Edited on January 31, 2012 at 2:11 PM. Reason : ]

1/31/2012 2:09:25 PM

I do condone burning the flag as it is an expression of freedom which is guaranteed in the constitution.


I don't condone burning of the flag because it is not their property.




[Edited on January 31, 2012 at 3:17 PM. Reason : They should be held liable for replacing the flag, but not punished for their freedom of expression]

1/31/2012 3:14:54 PM

nice boy but you got more nerve than a bum tooth

1/31/2012 4:27:07 PM

set em up

[Edited on January 31, 2012 at 9:18 PM. Reason : -]

1/31/2012 9:17:43 PM