I fell asleep like at least once a game every 4 games I saw when Herb was still here.

1/19/2011 12:33:04 PM

oh, don't get me wrong, it was past time for Herb to go, mainly because of our fan apathy.

but, god damn, i would love an NCAA tourney now. make the NCAA's and sid can stay as long as he likes. (i don't give a shit how he gets it done.)

1/19/2011 12:39:34 PM

he just wasn't exciting. you knew he'd make the tournament, and you knew he wouldn't really do much in it. bleh.

now i'm on the edge of my seat as to whether or not we'll be in the game. it's very much improved on an excitement level.

1/19/2011 12:40:39 PM

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"once a game every 4 games "

1/19/2011 12:43:19 PM

^sometimes twice a game every 4 games.

shoot that infamous Seton Hall game? woke up mid game to find us down like 20, went back to sleep. Got a good nap in during that Iowa snoozefest.

That St. Johns game too. Got a GOOD nap in.

1/19/2011 12:53:20 PM

I too used to nap in the RBC during herb's games.

1/19/2011 1:00:06 PM

i really don't see how people think sidney lowe's teams are less boring than herb sendek's. up until this year, the entire offense has been "everybody stand around, pass the ball to tracy smith (or hickson). if that doesn't work, throw up a desparation 3."

i mean herb's offense was pretty much the same thing the last 5 years, but with the occasional back door cut. and his teams could actually play defense!

1/19/2011 1:00:30 PM

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"i really don't see how people think sidney lowe's teams are less boring than herb sendek's."

i don't think anyone's really saying that. unless you count me, where i'm cearly joking.

although i am glad that herb is gone.

1/19/2011 1:02:10 PM

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"That St. Johns game too. Got a GOOD nap in."

10 pts at half, ftw.

there have been a few Lowe coached games that, imo, were on close to being on par with that one.

1/19/2011 1:03:58 PM

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1/19/2011 1:09:24 PM

I can't recall a Lowe coached game that was as bad as the St. Johns game. Most of the time we've had at least one good half. Like 2 or 3 years ago when we were down like 42-12 to UNC in the first half we played well in the second half (still lost the game, but we played better).

The closest thing I can think of would be either that Northwestern game or the MSU game, but neither was as bad as the St. Johns game. EPIC 21.5% eFG. 2/24 from 3, 20% overall from the field. 19 turnovers, and St. Johns was NOT a good team. They finished that year 9-18 overall, including 3-13 in the big east.

1/19/2011 1:12:16 PM

i don't think sid's teams are as boring as herb's teams were, overall, especially when the team is playing well.

1/19/2011 1:23:34 PM

^ I personally thought Herb's offense was beautiful when it was run perfectly. Those precision cuts and passes to open layups were nice and could be very frustrating for a defense...and when knocking down open threes, it could be a very difficult offense to guard against.

It just wasn't run to perfection very often. And it definitely didn't work against the zone. I thought our offense was great when we would run a mix of that and just a straight up post-up offense when Josh Powell was killing it.

"if and buts" and all...but with a Josh Powell type big man, just one slashing/creating guard to create when that offense broke down....and that offense becomes quite formidable. We just were never able to put together all those piece (we came close with Hodge and Powell...but fucking Powell went up and left).

1/19/2011 1:34:03 PM

Powell left because his momma took some scrilla, and Hreb did what was right.

1/19/2011 1:36:06 PM

Herb's offense ran perfectly was just someone tossing up a three, whether it went in or not.

1/19/2011 1:41:40 PM

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"I personally thought Herb's offense was beautiful when it was run perfectly. Those precision cuts and passes to open layups were nice and could be very frustrating for a defense...and when knocking down open threes, it could be a very difficult offense to guard against."

Herb's offenses were always extremely efficient. 4 of his last 5 years we were in the Top 30 (and 3 of his last 5 in the Top 15) in offensive efficiency.

They weren't always high-paced obviously, but it worked.

It wasn't the offense that was the problem with Herb. And Georgetown, especially with Jeff Green and Roy Hibbert, was about as beautiful a college offense to watch as you'll ever see...

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""if and buts" and all...but with a Josh Powell type big man, just one slashing/creating guard to create when that offense broke down....and that offense becomes quite formidable. We just were never able to put together all those piece (we came close with Hodge and Powell...but fucking Powell went up and left)."

I still think Levi was going to be one hell of a player. He had such good skills as a freshman and a good body -- that ACL just destroyed his career.

^ no offense, but that's just asinine.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 1:43 PM. Reason : x]

1/19/2011 1:42:19 PM

Herb would be a much better NBA or Euroleague coach, because his system is way to complex for most 19 year olds to fully grasp. They just want to launch 3s and do tomohawk dunks and he's trying to teach them complex back cuts and double screens. Simple offenses work best for young players, like the Dribble Drive. The best players in Herb's tenure were people like Evitmov and Hodge who didn't fit the mold of traditional elite college players.

1/19/2011 1:44:09 PM

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""if and buts" and all...but with a Josh Powell type big man, just one slashing/creating guard to create when that offense broke down....and that offense becomes quite formidable. We just were never able to put together all those piece (we came close with Hodge and Powell...but fucking Powell went up and left)."

Excuses!

1/19/2011 1:46:00 PM

^^^I wasn't being completely serious, of course, but in most games against teams with decent defense our offense seldom had more direction than tossing the ball around until someone had a decent look at three. Sometimes you'd see the ball get thrown into Ced/Powell/whoever was the designated bigman, and sometimes you'd see a guy like Cam or Hodge make something else happen, but more times than not it was 25-30 seconds of disorganization followed by a 3.

1/19/2011 1:47:23 PM

Herb was great a drawing up a play coming out of a timeout, especially if there wasn't much time left on the shot clock.

And, man, I always loved his end-of-game calls. Always felt so confident about his schemes.

1/19/2011 1:48:42 PM

^hahahaha you left out inbounds plays.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 1:54:59 PM

You know the Javi Heave from the FSU game

There were at least 19 of those every game under Herb

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 1:56 PM. Reason : It was actually his preferred call for the final possession]

1/19/2011 1:56:24 PM

My vote is for Bennerman off the side of the backboard at Miami

1/19/2011 1:58:06 PM

Bilas on David Glenn's show basically said there are no better options out there for NC State than Lowe.

I lol'd.

1/19/2011 2:04:54 PM

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"My vote is for Bennerman off the side of the backboard at Miami"

I managed to block that out of my memory

And now I'm having vietnam style flashbacks of some of those duke games

1/19/2011 2:09:12 PM

Jay Bilas is a piece of shit

Herb's end of game plays were always

1/19/2011 2:10:04 PM

I remember multiple instances of Julius being frustrated with his end of game plays. I still think we would have never made it to the sweet 16 if Sendek had called a timeout.

1/19/2011 2:36:24 PM

The Marcus Melvin end of game call against Houston was pure genius.

1/19/2011 2:40:38 PM

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"^hahahaha you left out inbounds plays. "

i forgot about the inbounds plays!

all those zany dunks and alley oops off inbounds passes! and passes off peoples backs and just plain creative ways to get the ball in and never having to burn multiple timeouts to get the ball in play.

1/19/2011 4:28:12 PM

I've always found it amusing that people like BigEgo hated Herb and love Sid.

Talking about the end games, if those plays occurred now here's what it would sound like:

Sid called up a good play, it's not his fault Cam Ben Javi hit the side of the backboard.

1/19/2011 4:35:18 PM

How about me boozie, I loved Herb and I love Sid

wtf kind of sense does that make

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 4:38 PM. Reason : probably just a hopeless optimist]

1/19/2011 4:37:37 PM

^^i find YOU amusing

1/19/2011 4:40:58 PM

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"probably just a hopeless optimist"

You are. I loved Herb as well but after he was gone I realized he had reached his peak and we could probably do better. Didn't realize that Fowler would hire his unqualified consultant though.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 4:41 PM. Reason : ^You admitted in this very page that you booed at a game and that's something I would NEVER do]

1/19/2011 4:41:19 PM

anyone remember the end game play Sid drew up to beat Miami on ESPNU either his second year (I think it was his second year at least)? IIRC it gave someone an open shot (which was missed) and put Fells in position to slam home the rebound for the win? It also was blocked after that by someone's fist since ESPNU wasn't well produced at all at the time compared to ESPN.

I liked herb until I was old enough to know better.

1/19/2011 4:41:26 PM

I remember that well designed play Sid drew up where Julius Mays jacked up that 27-footer to send it into overtime. It was some "Annexation of Puerto Rico" Little Giants type shit.

1/19/2011 4:46:07 PM

"He's still credible durrnitt.. in fact, i just finished draft 3 of my vote of confidence letter"

1/19/2011 4:51:01 PM

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"^You admitted in this very page that you booed at a game and that's something I would NEVER do"

Well, you're a great fan!

Yes, i admit, for a couple seconds, I booed the team for getting off to a 3-21 start against the mighty penguins. I don't think it hurt their feelings too bad, they already knew they were playing terrible, and they knew the fans weren't happy.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 5:12 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2011 4:51:45 PM

The only wolfpack player I've booed is Harrison Beck. Fuck that guy

1/19/2011 4:54:53 PM

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"I loved Herb and I love Sid"

Same here but I can definitely admit that Herb's out of bounds/ end of game/ post timeout calls weren't too impressive.

1/19/2011 4:58:53 PM

his offense was also boring, and his personality was dry

1/19/2011 5:00:06 PM

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"I can't recall a Lowe coached game that was as bad as the St. Johns game. Most of the time we've had at least one good half. Like 2 or 3 years ago when we were down like 42-12 to UNC in the first half we played well in the second half (still lost the game, but we played better). "

The Wisconsin game was just plain retarded, but yes the St. John's game goes down as the worst IMO in the past 10 or so years.

1/19/2011 5:02:03 PM

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"Talking about the end games, if those plays occurred now here's what it would sound like:"

we have end of game plays now? im pretty sure we're always down 10+ on the last possession

oh, do you mean those games against delaware state?

1/19/2011 5:15:10 PM

The Wisconsin game wasn't nearly as bad from a fans standpoint IMO. That game was against a very good team that played lights out in a venue that's really hard to win in, coupled with us being without our best player and the closest thing we have to a leader.

The St. Johns game? Terrible team that didn't even play well. Game was on the road, but St. Johns wasn't exactly the kind of team that had any home field advantage. Herb's most successful team still has this loss on their resumé.

1/19/2011 5:16:16 PM

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"but St. Johns wasn't exactly the kind of team that had any home field advantage. "

Not defending this game at all...because it was quite abysmal...but wasn't the game in MSG...basically St. John backyard?? That's like saying UNC wouldn't have any home field advantage playing Missouri in Carrboro.

1/19/2011 5:26:40 PM

^It was a STJ's home game, but that team was bad and I think going through scandal so it was pretty much a neutral court other than it being home for St. Johns and a good trip from home for State.

1/19/2011 5:44:24 PM

^If I remember correctly Hodge was all hyped up about playing in MSG. Who knows though I did my best to forget that game...

1/19/2011 5:47:38 PM

TONIGHT

1/19/2011 6:03:12 PM

^^Yeah...I remember that. He laid an egg in front of his home crowd. He also tried to do wayyy too much. That game was a fucking disaster.

1/19/2011 6:23:11 PM

YOU

1/19/2011 6:23:23 PM

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"10 POINT FIRST HALF"

1/19/2011 6:23:43 PM