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"If we can't get Barnes, Stevens or another big name, then I won't be excited if a change is made. We are going up year in and year out against two of the giants of college basketball, and we need a coach that can go toe-to-toe with them, keep the current players here and also keep the 4 and 5 star recruits coming in. If we can compete against K and Roy year in and year out, then we'll have a team that is capable of winning the ACC and winning a National Championship."

man, this is some JT3bucky shit. i did a doubletake looking at the poster.

1/31/2011 8:15:10 PM

We're not getting Brad stevens. He signed a 11 year contract just last year.

1/31/2011 8:29:46 PM

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"If we can't get Barnes, Stevens or another big name, then I won't be excited if a change is made. We are going up year in and year out against two of the giants of college basketball, and we need a coach that can go toe-to-toe with them, keep the current players here and also keep the 4 and 5 star recruits coming in. If we can compete against K and Roy year in and year out, then we'll have a team that is capable of winning the ACC and winning a National Championship. "

The whole point is to find the next Kryzooski, Knight, Izzo, etc. All coaches have to start somewhere....and hopefully Debbie has an eye for young coaching talent.

Short of a miracle, Miller and/or Barnes aren't coming.

1/31/2011 8:39:20 PM

Example 1...typical delusional NC State basketball fan:

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"I didn't say that. I just said I wouldn't be excited. I wouldn't have any hope that things will get better, well at least to where we all want them to be, and that's winning championships and becoming one of the elites of college basketball again. "

1/31/2011 8:49:39 PM

can't this be discussed in the credibility thread?

1/31/2011 8:55:09 PM

Can we hire an up and comer that might take us to the promised land? Of course. It'll probably take a little while though. I'm so jaded now about NC State basketball that I can't get excited about the prospects of a new coach unless it's a monumental hire. Now I know that Stevens isn't coming here and knew about his contract, I just was using him as an example of a big name. I know there's maybe at best a 1% chance that Barnes will come here too. This fanbase wants to get to the NCAA Tournament now, especially with the talent we have in place. I don't know if they can wait around for 2 seasons of NIT invites like in Izzo's first two years, or losing seasons like in K's first 3 years. We have the longest streak in the ACC of not getting to the NCAA Tournament. Will the fanbase really give some guy from the Missouri Valley Conference time to learn the ropes of the ACC? It isn't wrong to want an established coached that has proven that they can compete in a power conference. If a change is made and it's not a big name coach I'll still support him. I'm just not going to be all giddy like a kid on Christmas Eve thinking about all the possibilities that lie ahead, only to be possibly disappointed with socks and clothes rather than receive some bad ass toy/video game system.

All I'm saying is that if we open up the checkbook and lure a big name coach away there's a higher chance that we'll all get what we want. Some say, "oh well we can't afford ______." That's bull. With how crazy and starved this fanbase is, a winning NC State basketball program would bring in a ton of money. We have one of the biggest arenas in the NCAA, with one of the highest number of suites too. If the RBC Center is sold out even for the cupcake games, like the way UK does, rather than just for Duke and UNC, then there will be plenty of money to be made.

1/31/2011 9:28:30 PM

i feel like in college basketball today, big name coaches don't just up and leave programs. as long as you are making a good salary, can consistently get into the tournament, and have the opportunity to attain a top 25 ranking there really isn't a reason to jump ship.

1/31/2011 9:42:05 PM

Sorry, I thought this was the recruiting thread.

/backs away slowly.

1/31/2011 11:29:34 PM

^coaches are recruited too...

2/1/2011 9:00:34 AM

i love the football recruiting thread so much more than this one

2/1/2011 9:12:19 AM

^^ ooh, sick burn!

2/1/2011 9:21:28 AM

Capel anyone for coach?

2/1/2011 9:27:13 AM

Quote :

"Can we hire an up and comer that might take us to the promised land? Of course. It'll probably take a little while though. I'm so jaded now about NC State basketball that I can't get excited about the prospects of a new coach unless it's a monumental hire. Now I know that Stevens isn't coming here and knew about his contract, I just was using him as an example of a big name. I know there's maybe at best a 1% chance that Barnes will come here too. This fanbase wants to get to the NCAA Tournament now, especially with the talent we have in place. I don't know if they can wait around for 2 seasons of NIT invites like in Izzo's first two years, or losing seasons like in K's first 3 years. We have the longest streak in the ACC of not getting to the NCAA Tournament. Will the fanbase really give some guy from the Missouri Valley Conference time to learn the ropes of the ACC? It isn't wrong to want an established coached that has proven that they can compete in a power conference. If a change is made and it's not a big name coach I'll still support him. I'm just not going to be all giddy like a kid on Christmas Eve thinking about all the possibilities that lie ahead, only to be possibly disappointed with socks and clothes rather than receive some bad ass toy/video game system. All I'm saying is that if we open up the checkbook and lure a big name coach away there's a higher chance that we'll all get what we want. Some say, "oh well we can't afford ______." That's bull. With how crazy and starved this fanbase is, a winning NC State basketball program would bring in a ton of money. We have one of the biggest arenas in the NCAA, with one of the highest number of suites too. If the RBC Center is sold out even for the cupcake games, like the way UK does, rather than just for Duke and UNC, then there will be plenty of money to be made. "

The only advantage we get from a big name coach is that we have a better chance at keeping all of our players and all of our recruits. So as long as we can retain most of our talent, I don't give a shit if we clone John Wooden or get the Broughton High School equipment manager to coach us....as long as he's a good coach. Sidney is obviously not a great basketball coach. We need someone who can coach these guys. I don't care if he's a "name" or not.

Back to talking about recruiting.

2/1/2011 9:42:16 AM

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"The only advantage we get from a big name coach is that we have a better chance at keeping all of our players and all of our recruits."

that makes a ton of sense

2/1/2011 9:53:28 AM

speaking of retaining talent, props to Coach Bzdelik at Wake for keeping all 5 of Gaudio's recruits. Even though they suck this year, they were all 3* and 4* recruits and top 25 players at their respective positions.

They're freshmen now, but they'll be competitive in 2 years when they're juniors and Stewart and Harris will be seniors

2/1/2011 10:10:22 AM

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"that makes a ton of sense"

I don't see why it doesn't?? You're 18 years old and the coach that recruited you just got fired. All of a sudden you hear that Tubby Smith/Rick Barnes just got hired, and you're all like, "that's awesome, that guy won a lot at Kentucky/Texas/Minnesota and has put tons of players in the NBA, this could be good." As opposed to, "who the fuck is that?? He coaches at (insert name of mid-major program here), what state is that in??"

Actually meeting with the new coach and getting to know him and hearing his "pitch" is probably more important...but you can't deny that the initial reaction to the "name" isn't important.

2/1/2011 10:17:40 AM

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"The only advantage we get from a big name coach is that we have a better chance at keeping all of our players and all of our recruits."

You don't think there might be other advantages to a big name coach? Say, the fact that they are a good coach. Or perhaps the national visibility it would bring to the program. Just seems like a poor choice of words.

2/1/2011 10:36:14 AM

^Honestly...not really. You forget that I said this:

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"as long as he's a good coach."

All I want is a good coach...that's it. I thought about the "publicity" of hiring a name coach...and although it would be nice to begin with...winning is all that matters. A name coach won't get us into the NCAA tourney...wins will.

2/1/2011 11:12:01 AM

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"Capel anyone for coach?"

Jeff Capel - probably wouldn't come here.

Jason Capel - HAHAHAHA we would be a thousand times better off hiring Julius Hodge. (They have almost the same amount of coaching experience!)

2/1/2011 11:22:42 AM

^^ I would like to see your list of big name coaches that are not good coaches (or are coaches that dont win)

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 12:01 PM. Reason : ]

2/1/2011 12:00:03 PM

Worst case would be jumping on a hot coach with no track record, like when we almost got the clown from LSU.

2/1/2011 12:09:50 PM

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"I would like to see your list of big name coaches that are not good coaches (or are coaches that dont win)"

Christ guys...I'm just saying I don't give a shit whether or not he's a "name" coach. I just want a good fucking coach. It was in response to a poster saying that he couldn't get excited if we didn't hire a big name coach. First...its going to be tough to get a name coach in here anyways. We might have a shot at someone like Tubby who is older and wants to get the fuck out of Minnesota and back near his family on the East Coast. But it's going to have to be a situation like that, because a name coach who is doing well at a school that is either on par or better than us (which is where 100% of these coaches already are) is NOT going to come here.

So just give me a good coach and I'll be excited. You guys are making up arguments that I haven't started.

2/1/2011 12:14:07 PM

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"This is NC STATE, not UNC-Asheville. If you miss the tournament 3 years in a row here then you should be fired. Lowe missed it four times and got a 5th chance. He has had his opportunity and he has squandered it."

If we continue to fire coaches every few years, we're going to become the NCAA version of the Redskins, and we're going to suck forever.


I didn't mean to turn this into the new coaching carousel....

Can anyone find some literature about why Uchebo/Tylers are interested in NC State? I don't think there's any indication that they would stay if Lowe gets booted.

2/1/2011 12:49:20 PM

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"If we continue to fire coaches every few years"

We haven't fired a basketball coach since 1990

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"I don't think there's any indication that they would stay if Lowe gets booted."

Uchebo is from Nigeria and has family in the area, so I think we have a good shot at keeping him even through a coaching change. But regardless of that our 2011/2012 recruiting classes ARE NOT good enough to keep Lowe around if he isn't winning games.

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 1:00 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2011 12:57:47 PM

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"If we continue to fire coaches every few years, we're going to become the NCAA version of the Redskins, and we're going to suck forever."

When is the last time we fired a coach? 15 years ago? Get out of here with that weak shit.

2/1/2011 12:59:25 PM

^
LOL, and we promoted that guy to AD.

2/1/2011 1:01:04 PM

recruiting, dammit!

2/1/2011 1:03:21 PM

remember guys NC State is an elite basketball school

who wouldn't want to come here

2/1/2011 1:03:52 PM

somebody needss to start a new coaching candidates thread

2/1/2011 1:06:14 PM

i think someone did and it got locked!

2/1/2011 1:14:39 PM

Nah, fair enough....

I guess I should say, "if we start firing coaches every few years" because they aren't making the NCAA's by year two... We gotta let someone build a program. I'd love to see Sidney do it

I don't know why I have such a man crush on him...

2/1/2011 2:49:39 PM

^^^ I did, and it got locked ...

Probably because I put "sidney lowe" on the "fired" list

But it was serious business ... the better we prepare with a legitimate evaluation of coaches, the better our chances at seeing one get offered and accept such an offer...

2/1/2011 2:54:42 PM

^you think the better tww prepares with a legitimate evaluation of the coaches, the better the chances that we get a good coach?

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 4:55 PM. Reason : dammit, this is a recruiting thread!]

2/1/2011 4:54:43 PM

Yow is reading this thread just to see who we want for the job. She was hired as AD to please TWW Bullet.

On the real though, Lowe can't be our HC after this season unless he makes an unbelievable run through the rest of the season.

2/1/2011 5:10:04 PM

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 5:57 PM. Reason : crap wrong thread]

2/1/2011 5:45:26 PM

^I posted in the Credibility thread.

Let's go discuss it there!

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 5:54 PM. Reason : ]

2/1/2011 5:49:31 PM

I keep clicking on this thread thinking that there is new recruiting information, but no. SAME FUCKING BULLSHIT.

2/1/2011 9:35:10 PM

^^^^^ ... that was supposed to be sarcasm

[Edited on February 1, 2011 at 10:26 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2011 10:25:43 PM

Quote :

"I guess I should say, "if we start firing coaches every few years" because they aren't making the NCAA's by year two... We gotta let someone build a program. I'd love to see Sidney do it"

Notice that I said the coach should be fired if he misses the tourney three years in a row. It shouldn't be that hard to take NC State to the tournament 3 times a decade. If that's unreasonable then I imagine the majority of us will become occasional fans, and by occasional fans I mean we'll get interested in the team when we either make the tournament or it's apparent that a bid is forthcoming. Twice in a decade? Could anyone really get excited about that?

2/1/2011 11:18:30 PM

STATE BASKETBALL RECRUITING

2/1/2011 11:31:21 PM

^ that's just a hash algorithm or maybe an MD5 Checksum for "Sidney Lowe Credibility Thread"

2/2/2011 12:34:31 AM

thewolfpacker.com says we've got a new commitment. Any got the scoop?

2/12/2011 2:24:52 PM

http://www.floridahoopsrecruits.com/nike-team-florida-claims-super-regional-championship/

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"Josip Mikulic – 6’11 sophomore forward – North Broward Prep – 8 points, 4 rebounds: When watching Mikulic, one has to remember he only played one game this past season due to injury so he is a bit behind the learning curve. That said, he is a skilled player in the European mold. Though he missed his lone three point attempt, it looked good so you can tell he has that kind of range. He runs the court well and actually handles the basketball well in the open court. Mikulic is alert for offensive rebounds and to his credit doesn’t waste time and motion bringing the ball down and going back up in traffic. He lacks strength and therefore isn’t much of a post scoring presence at this time but his future is playing facing the basket."

[Edited on February 12, 2011 at 2:32 PM. Reason : ]

2/12/2011 2:27:51 PM

that dude is skinnier than julius hodge.

2/12/2011 2:34:45 PM

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"Though he missed his lone three point attempt, it looked good so you can tell he has that kind of range."

LOL, he missed, but it looked good

2/12/2011 2:44:09 PM

what are the odds this guy makes it to our campus? 600:1?

2/12/2011 2:49:36 PM

euro john henson?

2/12/2011 2:52:21 PM

Unless Yow recruited him I don't think he makes it here

2/12/2011 3:13:00 PM

we better keep lowe around another year lest we lose this beast!

2/12/2011 3:14:32 PM

forget it

[Edited on February 12, 2011 at 3:26 PM. Reason : lol]

2/12/2011 3:25:59 PM