I hate to be the douche bag who says it, but face was right.

We need more Howell and Harrow.

We need the 2 H's on the floor as much as Sidney Lowe possible.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 9:29 PM. Reason : .]

1/19/2011 9:26:20 PM

we should get harrow, wood, leslie, howell, and smith at the same time as long as possible.

1/19/2011 9:30:36 PM

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"Let us not forget how Sidney Lowe got CJ Leslie in a State uniform. He took CJ into the RBC, pointed to one side of the rafters, and said, "You see that banner? Old Spice Champions, nigga." Then pointed to the other side of the rafters and said, "You see that banner? John Wilkes Booth Champions, nigga." Then he said, "You like this red blazer? Here, try it on.""

1/19/2011 9:45:36 PM

^lol


and i don't even remember the actual name of that tourney thanks to calling it john wilkes booth so many times

1/19/2011 9:47:23 PM

Oh shit, its not the John Wilkes Booth? Fuck. I gota reprint all these damned t-shirts.

1/19/2011 9:51:41 PM

it sucks that the one time so far that we put together an actual good game it's against duke, who still wins handily.

and lorenzo brown is too talented to not be putting up points. he could've been the difference this game.

also i'm convinced that the reason howell tends to not get as many minutes as maybe he should is b/c he's liable to take 20' shots, which is so stupid.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 10:00 PM. Reason : it makes me so mad when he does that, even if they go in.]

1/19/2011 9:56:48 PM

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"we should get harrow, wood, leslie, howell, and smith at the same time as long as possible."

I was saying this to my friends as we walked out of the arena. How would that work as a starting 5? It'd be big...and could create match up problems with the other team.

1/19/2011 9:57:46 PM

It'd be harder for defenses to double Tracy, and if they did he's our best passing big man and Howell is becoming a really good finisher

Plus offensive rebounds out the wazoo

I'm 100% behind starting Howell in place of Brown

We'll lose some speed (which Brown never uses anyway), but Howell has shown he can rebound, finish, play defense away from the basket and get down the court pretty well

It's a no-brainer (but Sidiot doesn't have a brain LOL)

1/19/2011 10:01:46 PM

there are a few acc 2 guards that could probably abuse wood with their quickness (Dexter Strickland at UNC for one) but overall it'd probably work out best

1/19/2011 10:03:14 PM

Howell needs to learn not to take a damn dribble every time he touches it in the paint

(Not that he did it much this game, but he's done it alot this season and gotten it stolen a ton)

1/19/2011 10:04:45 PM

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"Howell is becoming a really good finisher"

in the last three games he's gone 1-5, 2-5, 4-11. he also drops way too many passes.

1/19/2011 10:05:29 PM

^^ Howell has the lowest turnover rate of any of our bigs

^ A few of those misses are the dumb shots you're talking about. And I said he's becoming a good finisher, not he's become a good finisher.

1/19/2011 10:07:20 PM

I used to say that Richard Howell was too soft down low and would not go up strong with the ball and couldn't get to the foul line because of it. I take that back. The past few games he has gone up strong with the ball and been successful doing it...and has gotten some nice and-1 plays out of it. He's playing very well lately. I just think you gotta start your best 5...which at this point is Harrow, Wood, Leslie, Howell, Smith

As for the actual topic of the thread, Sid Lowe...this game did not change my opinion of him. I still think he's a dead man walking. I like him and his passion for NC State sports...just don't think he's the man to take us to the next level in basketball.

1/19/2011 10:10:30 PM

Lets just be clear.. that was probably sidney's last chance..

a win there would have at least kept a slim possibility of making the tourney, but it is all but impossible now at 1-3 (needing 10-6) with 2 vs. UNC and 1 vs. Duke.

Its year 5 and no tourney = no job.. sorry

1/19/2011 10:10:47 PM

hahah i just looked at javi's stat line. 6 minutes, 4 points, 1 rebound, 1 turnover.

i know everyone hates the guy, but that is a productive six minutes. but there's no excuse for throwing alley oops to the free throw line.

1/19/2011 10:11:29 PM

I think we were like minus 10 or something like that in those 6 minutes though.


edit: ESPN box score doesn't show when players are subbed, but he started and it looks like he went out at 11-3 (-8), then got subbed back in when it was 13-12 (harrow picked up his second foul), and when he went out like 2 minutes later it was 27-16 (-10). So I think we were -18 with Javi in but I could be wrong

1/19/2011 10:14:43 PM

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"It'd be harder for defenses to double Tracy, and if they did he's our best passing big man and Howell is becoming a really good finisher Plus offensive rebounds out the wazoo I'm 100% behind starting Howell in place of Brown We'll lose some speed (which Brown never uses anyway), but Howell has shown he can rebound, finish, play defense away from the basket and get down the court pretty well It's a no-brainer (but Sidiot doesn't have a brain LOL)"

Not quite a no brainer. A lot of SF's are able to get past Wood on the dribble I think most ACC 2 guards would drive around him pretty easily. Can you imagine him guarding Stitt and Delaney? I would like to see it but I don't think it would necessarily be the answer.

1/19/2011 10:28:16 PM

I was sitting near Debbie Yow. Did not see her smile all night.

1/19/2011 10:30:41 PM

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"It's a no-brainer (but Sidiot doesn't have a brain LOL)"

you're learning....

1/19/2011 10:32:16 PM

I guess Harrow needed a breather before the game even started

1/19/2011 10:44:09 PM

Wood would be no worse on Delaney than Brown would. Delaney's gonna get his pretty much no matter who guards him. He's gonna take ~20 shots and make ~40-45% of them.

I don't know if I'd want him on Stitt though.

1/19/2011 10:44:55 PM

Methinks the boozie doth protest too much

1/19/2011 10:45:42 PM

It's pretty funny when I've been saying Harrow needs to start and Howell needs to play over Painter ALL YEAR but I am the retard right?

1/19/2011 10:48:40 PM

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"Wood would be no worse on Delaney than Brown would. Delaney's gonna get his pretty much no matter who guards him. He's gonna take ~20 shots and make ~40-45% of them. I don't know if I'd want him on Stitt though."

I can't think of too many ACC SGs I would like to see Wood try and defend. Delaney would eat him alive at least brown has a chance to stay in front of him.

Quote :

"Harrow needs to start and Howell needs to play over Painter"

Considering Harrow just now has started to play decent defense and Howell and Painter still play different positions yes you still are a retard...

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 10:50 PM. Reason : asdfd]

1/19/2011 10:49:30 PM

All I can do at that post is

1/19/2011 10:52:54 PM

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"I can't think of too many ACC SGs I would like to see Wood try and defend."

I can name more he'd be fine against than would abuse him. I don't want him on Stitt, but he could probably get by. Strickland he should get no where near (and wouldn't if he guarded him, but oddly he'd do fine against UNC's PGs). Miami's Grant wouldn't be a good matchup at all for him. That's it.

1/19/2011 11:00:20 PM

Because you have no actual rebuttal classic boozie

^Delaney would KILL him. He has trouble with dribble penetration already guarding the 3 it would be brutal at the 2. However it would take away the problem of him getting posted up and outrebounded so I still would like to see it attempted.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:04 PM. Reason : asdfasd]

1/19/2011 11:01:13 PM

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"hahah i just looked at javi's stat line. 6 minutes, 4 points, 1 rebound, 1 turnover. i know everyone hates the guy, but that is a productive six minutes. but there's no excuse for throwing alley oops to the free throw line."

Yeah, he really wasn't that bad tonight (then again he only played 6 minutes, so he didn't have much of an opportunity to screw up). That being said, there was no reason to take Harrow out...he played very well and took good care of the ball. He missed some point blank lay-ups, but besides that I thought he played great.

1/19/2011 11:01:33 PM

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"Because you have no actual rebuttal classic boozie"

You can't even fucking admit when you are wrong dude.

Harrow+Howell>>>>Javi+Painter

It's been that way all God damn year.

How's that for a rebuttal.

You could not be any more wrong.

1/19/2011 11:06:04 PM

You aren't going to get too much more than 34 minutes out of a rail thin freshman PG. You don't want to play him too much it could easily lead to injuries and defensive lapses.

Howell and Painter do not play the same position so stating that one should be getting minutes over the other is was and always will be retarded. Harrow was a defensive liability (this has been almost universally acknowledged) he has finally started to maintain good position on the defensive end and surprise surprise he played almost the entire game tonight...

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:09 PM. Reason : asdfd]

1/19/2011 11:07:27 PM

Who is arguing against Howell + Harrow?

Has there even been a game with a healthy Tracy where Painter has seen more time than Howell?

Why do you continue to argue against invisible enemies, boozie

1/19/2011 11:09:31 PM

Invisible?

He's right there, posting right in front of you.

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:12 PM. Reason : If Lowe started Vandenburg, adder would have a reason for it]

1/19/2011 11:12:03 PM

It doesn't matter that Javi started

He's going to get his six minutes at some point, might as well get them out of the way

1/19/2011 11:13:59 PM

brown probably needs to be taken out of the starting line up for a game or two to get his head on straight but im not for eliminating him altogether in favor of wood at the 2 just so we can fit howell/leslie/smith all in at the same time

that line up should be used more (and i suggested that about a week back only for adder or someone to tell me IT WOULDNT WORK) but we still need brown, the good brown, to show up. tonight he was awful so sitting him was the right move

1/19/2011 11:19:05 PM

Starting the game down 11-3 to the #5 team didn't matter?

I really don't care anymore.....I doubt I go to any more games and need to stop posting here.

I've never been proven wrong. Everything I've said about this year has came true.

1/19/2011 11:19:56 PM

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"Delaney would KILL him. He has trouble with dribble penetration already guarding the 3 it would be brutal at the 2. However it would take away the problem of him getting posted up and outrebounded so I still would like to see it attempted. "

Delaney is going to get his no matter who we put on him. Wood is athletic and smart enough to not get beat everytime out, and it might be different for Delaney to be guarded by a 6'6/6'7 wing. Like I said, no matter who we put on him he'll get ~20 points on ~45% shooting.

Quote :

"Starting the game down 11-3 to the #5 team didn't matter? "

in the grand scheme of things, not too much as -10 he went in the 2 minutes after Harrow picked up his second foul were worse.

1/19/2011 11:20:29 PM

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"Delaney is going to get his no matter who we put on him"

That attitude sometimes works but Delaney is a pretty dynamic player. When Delaney beats wood off the dribble it forces players to switch over to try and stop the drive and allows him to create shots for others.
There is a big difference between 20 pts and 0 assists and 20 pts and 10 assists.

1/19/2011 11:32:17 PM

delaney used to be just a straight chucker/flopper but he actually knocks down some 3s now. putting wood on him might actually stop him for hitting those, though wood would probably foul out before the 2nd tv timeout

[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 11:34 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2011 11:33:46 PM

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"Howell needs to play over Painter"

painter got 3 minutes tonight.

1/19/2011 11:51:57 PM

i am disappoint this thread dint make 250 pages tonight

1/19/2011 11:52:48 PM

wow, what a civil discussion. i've enjoyed reading and thinking about the last two pages of comments and discussion. even ohbeebee is being fairly rational. but not boozie. come on man

1/19/2011 11:58:17 PM

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"There is a big difference between 20 pts and 0 assists and 20 pts and 10 assists."

Duh.

1/20/2011 12:10:30 AM

I liked our effort tonight, and we showed a ton of promise at times with those lineups he was putting on the floor. Especially the start of the 2nd half. That was fun to watch.

But.... I think we're seeing the beginnings of a loooooong season with a young team starting off conference play at 1-3.

1/20/2011 1:19:21 AM

Howell is a terrible finisher because he doesn't jump. He's good at getting rebounds. He's not good at putting them back in the basket.




Moral victory, yay

1/20/2011 1:44:29 AM

Can we get back on track here?

Not credible...

1/20/2011 7:56:13 AM

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"I'll say tonight they were the best shotblocking team in the country. A lot of blocks, no fouls. That's... yeah, that's all I'm going to say about that."

-Sidney

Well, a halfway crack at the officiating is +1/2 credibility in my book. At least as far as that aspect of the officiating was concerned.

1/20/2011 8:10:15 AM

aha

1/20/2011 8:28:16 AM

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"Brown adds absolutely nothing to either end of the court. Has he made a significant contribution to any game in the past month?"

Brown is confusing the shit out of me. It's not like he's playing bad (he does like to turn the ball over a little bit)...but it's almost like he's completely nonexistent out there the past couple games. It does seem like he's playing a little hesitant. So hopefully he can be a little more assertive in the next few games and get his game going.

The offense looked pretty good last night against a good defensive team. We missed a lot of bunnies in the first half that would have maybe made it an 8 point game instead of a 14 point game at halftime and made a 2nd half comeback a little more feasible. I think having Harrow in there for a majority of the time is a big reason for that. I think point guard is the only position where it's really difficult to have two guys getting the same amount of minutes. They dictate the style/pace of play and it's when you consistently switch it up, it's hard for the offense to get in rhythm. I feel sorry for Javi...but he's just going to have to deal with his new role. Hopefully he can take it well, but I don't have a good feeling about it.

I know Duke is Duke, but our defense was not good. Way too many easy baskets inside. They shot 50%, but a little bit of that was weighed down by the fact that they jacked a lot of threes. If our offense continues to play well, we can win some games despite that effort on defense...but to beat good teams and to win enough games to get into the tournament...the defense is going to have to step it up.

1/20/2011 8:40:47 AM

I heard he isn't going to wish Tracy Smith a happy birthday today... what a dick!!

1/20/2011 9:05:12 AM

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"Well, a halfway crack at the officiating is +1/2 credibility in my book. At least as far as that aspect of the officiating was concerned."

Is that tongue in cheek? You can't really think criticizing the officials publicly is the makings of a credible basketball coach ... do you? If so you lose 1/2 credibilities in my book.

1/20/2011 9:07:21 AM