I waited until it said that Mark Turgeon was a viable candidate before I closed it.

1/21/2011 11:05:40 PM

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"This has to be done to be fair to Herb."

TO BE FAIR TO HERB

1/21/2011 11:10:24 PM

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"because he was the best candidated"

1/21/2011 11:10:58 PM

^ haha...good find. I missed that

And plenty of people wanted the job....just no splash hires.

[Edited on January 21, 2011 at 11:14 PM. Reason : ]

1/21/2011 11:13:39 PM

yeah, folks were lining up at the door...

1/21/2011 11:29:05 PM

Well, I think part of that was Fowler's fault.

You always ask a couple of doubtful big names (Barnes, Calipari). I don't think there's anything wrong with getting turned down by those two (privately would have been better, admittedly)

After that, didn't we go after Belein? Heck, we turned him down when we saw his buyout. Hearsay was that he was willing to pay a large chunk of it....he wanted out

After that we went after Lavin (for some damn reason), and that was pretty humiliating.

I think an AD should privately guage interest from a few big names, but have a sure-fire up and comer list. Fowler apparently did not.

I wonder had State fans not started tracking planes how many of our strikeouts would have been made public?

Hindsight is 20/20, but we likely could have had Mike Anderson or Mark Turgeon at the time. Both would have been a big step up from thier respective locations. (I dont think Anderson was at Mizzou yet?)

[Edited on January 21, 2011 at 11:41 PM. Reason : ]

1/21/2011 11:35:47 PM

1/21/2011 11:42:03 PM

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"You always ask a couple of doubtful big names (Barnes, Calipari). I don't think there's anything wrong with getting turned down by those two (privately would have been better, admittedly)"

If Fowler had not gone after the big guys publicly, our fan base would still be of the opinion that we are a high profile destination job. The only good that came of that search was illuminating just where we are on the pecking order, which is a lesson in humility some of us have forgotten.

[Edited on January 21, 2011 at 11:49 PM. Reason : ]

1/21/2011 11:46:40 PM

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"After that we went after Lavin (for some damn reason)"

http://saintjohns.scout.com/a.z?s=443&p=9&c=8&cfg=bb&yr=2011
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2599/st-john-red-storm

1/22/2011 12:29:48 AM

I realize the man can recruit, but he had a less than stellar exit from UCLA. Baron Davis certainly wasn't a big fan of his coaching abilities.

I guess time will tell how he does, but I certainly don't want him.

1/22/2011 12:38:45 AM

Lavin cannot coach

1/22/2011 1:17:04 AM

lavin's assistant is coaching that damn team is what i'm thinkin', lol. smart move to go out and get gene keady.

but, they also lost to fordham and st. bonaventure.... and they're in the middle of a brutal month long stretch of games. georgetown again, duke, pitt, nova, uconn, cincy, marquette, ucla, etc. who knows where they'll be by february.

1/22/2011 1:17:30 AM

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"Lavin cannot coach"

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2599/st-john-red-storm

1/22/2011 1:41:42 AM

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"I dont think Anderson was at Mizzou yet?)"

He was hired at Mizzou like March 26th 2006. Lowe was hired May 6th 2006. Herb left what, April 3rd?

Anderson was not an option

1/22/2011 6:35:31 AM

Anyone who is a UCLA fan knows they guy can't coach. They were happy to see him go. That's very telling. Good coaches are mourned when they leave.

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 9:01 AM. Reason : .]

1/22/2011 9:00:27 AM

nc state is not ucla.

and i'm also convinced that no one in this thread actually watched ucla basketball when lavin was there, and are just repeating shit that they read on packpride during the coaching search.

1/22/2011 11:20:28 AM

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"This has to be done to be fair to Herb"

let me let you guys in on something here. herb did not give a shit about nc state. at all. nothing needs to be done to be fair to him.

1/22/2011 11:21:09 AM

dumb bitches everywhere in this thread.


im not going to join in other than to say that we have the best coach we can get right now.

deal with it

stupid pack fans :shakes head:

1/22/2011 11:31:42 AM

we couldn't get a sure thing better than lowe, but we could easily get an up and coming mid major coach who might be better than lowe.

not that i want to do that RIGHT NOW.

1/22/2011 11:36:21 AM

i've just never been one to give up on a coach or a state team or complain about the guys we have. sure, sometimes i'm disappointed or disagree with a decision, but that's not going to make me bitch and moan.

i'll support whomever is employed by our university to coach our athletics teams. i don't see what the point in bitching is. the AD will hire/fire as they see fit. there is NOTHING we can do about who Yow decides to keep or let go. i just support the team and coaches, no matter who they are.

i supported herb. i support lowe and will continue to do so as long as he is our coach.

*don't get me wrong, you are certainly allowed to have a differing opinion. i'm not knocking that, but this is just how i feel.

1/22/2011 11:49:56 AM

youre exactly how a fan should be

its these dumbfuck "i have to get my opinion out on the innernets" people who fuck everything up

you have all these instances where recruits say they read this shit, hell we even lost a recruit (chris wright) because of shit read on boards, and yet people still have to bash our program in public forums.

perpetuate the problem pack fans, its what you do best

you know it all message board posters.

1/22/2011 12:08:02 PM

Yes, message boards where the reason Chris Wright left.

1/22/2011 12:21:56 PM

Where is the reason?

1/22/2011 12:45:09 PM

Mr Grace is right. WE suck because of message boards!!!!!

1/22/2011 1:08:30 PM

No what he's saying is keep on complaining, the AD reads TWW and cares what the hell you have to say Milkboner!

Yow is gonna be all like "well I was clueless as to the situation until Milkboner posted Lowe's ACC record. Thats why I have fired him midseason"

1/22/2011 1:11:30 PM

Roy Williams and Coach K are so lucky that they don't have message boards!

1/22/2011 1:14:08 PM

roy williams publicly called out his fan base (message boards) last week

coach K did away with his call in radio show due to "message board fans"

Chris Wright's father openly said that the treatment of herb on message boards was the reason he did not want his son playing here.



[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 1:25 PM. Reason : s]

1/22/2011 1:22:27 PM

Message board rants are the result of the frustration with the sad state of our basketball program. Message boards are the only place where fans can get together and discuss the team, upcoming games, recruiting, and anything else dealing with their school. It happens at every school, not just NC State.

Arguing that message board fans should shut up and always be positive is ridiculous. Personal attacks should not be allowed, but discussion and criticism of the program is normal and going to happen no matter how good/bad we are and how much you want it not to. Stopping that from happening is akin to ending world hunger or poverty...it ain't gonna happen as long as forums are here. That's the nature of the business and the pressure is why these guys get paid so much...that is the way it is in the 21st century.

Message boards are not why we are where we are.

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 1:35 PM. Reason : ]

1/22/2011 1:34:02 PM

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"could easily get an up and coming mid major coach who might be better than lowe"

COULD

MIGHT

1/22/2011 1:38:34 PM

so what youre saying is that coming on here, as opposed to venting to real people in real life like i do, is the best thing for the program, despite the evidence that it does indeed do harm to our program.


we want our teams to do well, but fuck creating a better environment for them to do so.

usernamefuckstick's opinion must be known!

1/22/2011 1:39:28 PM

^^^that's like, your opinion

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 1:41 PM. Reason : ^s]

1/22/2011 1:41:24 PM

I vent in real life too. Sure, we have some posters that go over the top, but I don't think an honest discussion of the program is a bad thing. What I'm saying is that it's pointless to whine about message board fodder. It happens EVERYWHERE, not just NC State. It's never going to stop. Ever.

Asking message boards to only be rainbows and sunshine is asking the impossible.

(And for the record, I haven't been one of the ones screaming to fire Lowe, much less midseason. Not sure I've even said anywhere to fire him...but it's possible. I don't think he's a very good coach based on the evidence, but I even said I wouldn't mind giving him another year to let these kids turn into sophmores. I do think we have some major problems, and I don't foresee them getting better, though)


[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 1:55 PM. Reason : ]

1/22/2011 1:50:38 PM

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"Asking message boards to only be rainbows and sunshine is asking the impossible"

the thing is, i don't think anybody is asking that. i think the comments were directed at those that "go over the top", as you stated. it accomplishing nothing positive. and yes, it has the potential to harm the program. even if you think it can't.

1/22/2011 2:06:36 PM

TWW doesn't care what's good for the program

qfred will let shitheads run amok so long as he gets his $5

1/22/2011 2:43:10 PM

i need to pass some time so someone say something stupid i can argue about pls

1/22/2011 2:49:47 PM

sid should make cjl take more freethrows in practice. and he needs to make howell do more jumping jacks.

1/22/2011 2:52:33 PM

so continues our inexorable march to becoming packpride

1/22/2011 3:01:29 PM

OhboyeeeDonBeebeMilkboner keeps tww in business at least. gotta get that money somehow.

1/22/2011 3:47:44 PM

Would you rather get Calipari, Calhoun, Brown, or Wright?

1/22/2011 3:59:38 PM

I'd rather give Lowe several more years, because I enjoy being not only irrelevant, but awful as well.

1/22/2011 4:01:28 PM

This is the exact thing he got suspended for twice before

Somehow it has become permissable again

1/22/2011 4:04:21 PM

$5

1/22/2011 4:04:39 PM

^^ Dude, seriously. Panties in a wad much? It seems like you are really really upset about it? Relax man. Just because I have a different opinion (and might I add my opinion is the overwhelming majority of NC State fans) from you isn't a suspendable offense last I checked.

edit: Can you please keep these kind of comments in your boohoo feedback forum thread?

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM. Reason : edit]

1/22/2011 4:11:44 PM

If it were your opinion that was the problem, wouldn't I be calling for the suspension of the majority of the fanbase, and not just you?

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 4:14 PM. Reason : ]

1/22/2011 4:14:04 PM

what am I doing that's a suspendable offense?

1/22/2011 4:14:42 PM

Not sucking my dick for one thing

1/22/2011 4:16:07 PM

Ok go with that, "not sucking Ernie's dick is a suspendable offense"

Seriously man, if you don't like me or my opinion just ignore me.

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 4:17 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2011 4:17:15 PM

We had this exact same conversatiom a year ago in the FF

The end result was you getting suspended for a second time

You don't have to play naive

1/22/2011 4:19:13 PM

I already talked to qfred about this, he told me to chill out if I want to post again, and I have.

All I ask is to give me the same respect, or simply ignore me.

1/22/2011 4:20:10 PM

lol respect

1/22/2011 4:22:10 PM