1/22/2011 5:08:44 PM

i think we need to build a computer to coach

it can just take every real-time post on tww and pack pride, average the decision and yell out instructions to the players

and it would definitely need to have a robot-voice and it wouldn't be able to understand the concept of love

1/22/2011 5:24:19 PM

lets play a new game:

predict the lowe supporter's excuses for our upcoming loss to miami

1/22/2011 5:28:22 PM

hey Ernie

quit derailing the thread

you wanna talk about Milkboner, go to FF. People having opinions on message boards is not a suspendable offense. how you express your opinion can be

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 5:51 PM. Reason : thxu]

1/22/2011 5:49:36 PM

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"(and might I add my opinion is the overwhelming majority of NC State fans)"

bullshit

1/22/2011 7:09:57 PM

still [never has been] credible

1/22/2011 7:13:41 PM

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"and might I add my opinion is the overwhelming majority of NC State fans"

is this a fact, or just your opinion?

1/22/2011 7:15:45 PM

still [was the only person who would coach this team, and a member of one of the greatest memories wolfpack fans have]

yeah we suck and he probably will get fired, but don't fucking hate on the guy. I fucking guarantee you he hates losing more than all you hateful bastards combined.

can't wait for us to hire another coach and still be garbage so you can keep your hate alive!

1/22/2011 7:16:51 PM

Mark Turgeon, if we could catch a break, and land him would be real good for us. Moving up in the rankings every week now.

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 7:28 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2011 7:27:56 PM

we aren't going to get shit

and i wonder why so many people think we're such a bad job and have poor fans

1/22/2011 7:34:48 PM

^
This guy's got a bug up his ass because people bitch about being a losing program.

1/22/2011 7:37:07 PM

people aren't bitching about being a losing program, they are being vitriolic towards the head coach.

you can have a problem with the program (hey, I hate watching shitty basketball, too!), but there's no need for this asshattery against sid. That's why people think we have such shitty fans.

Sid is doing as good as he fucking can, it just isn't working. At the end of the year, if the university and Sid part ways in a respectful manner, I have no problem with that. There's no need to be so incensed that it leads to personal attacks on anyone involved in the program.

but whatever, keep it up, i'm sure the next hire will be better!

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 7:41 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2011 7:40:58 PM

Can't be worse.

1/22/2011 7:51:22 PM

we are literally approaching les robinson levels of fail

BUT STOP BEING MEAN GUYS. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE FANBASE DISAPPROVES. LOWE IS AS GOOD AS WE CAN GET

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 8:00 PM. Reason : SHITTY FANS]

1/22/2011 7:59:48 PM

can't WIN with him!

1/22/2011 8:05:41 PM

list of "shitty" fanbases:

nc state
unc (dean, effigy, etc)
georgetown (dropping n bombs)
duke (wanted to get rid of k)
wake forest (ditched dino, already hanging bzdelik. starting to mumble about a guy who got WAKE to the orange bowl)
boston college (fuck TOB, we can do better!)
maryland (no explanation needed)
kentucky (10 loss tubby)
fsu (forced out a LEGEND)
georgia (fired dennis felton midseason)
florida (fireronzook.com)
alabama (everyone besides saban and bear bryant suck)
lsu (wants to fire a guy who wins 10 games every year)
west virginia (just in general. also, thought that joke they have now would be better than richrod)
pitt (fired 2 coaches in 2 weeks)

alright i'm bored and don't feel like venturing too far off the east coast

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 8:24 PM. Reason : ]

1/22/2011 8:14:44 PM

^^ I really liked Mike. If he had a half way decent QB they'd be in the playoffs. Same with John Fox though.

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 8:15 PM. Reason : ^ nice]

1/22/2011 8:15:11 PM

^ You clearly didn't watch enough 49er football this year.

Even with a better QB than Alex Smith, they wouldn't have gone any farther.

I liked him when he came in mid-season. He had nothing to lose, took a lot of risks in game, and they paid off. With a clean slate this past year, he just looked clueless. He's stuck in his mind playing 80's ball.

...but we digress.

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 8:19 PM. Reason : clarity on Smith]

1/22/2011 8:19:31 PM

im not advocating keeping him unless a miracle occurs

i'm just saying people don't have to be complete fuckers, it doesn't do anything but make us worse overall.

but whatever, its just tww, go ahead and do your thing.

1/22/2011 8:20:03 PM

pic had nothing to do w/ singletary as a coach, it was a quote about VD

1/22/2011 8:26:03 PM

singletary is a clown. but besides that he wasnt qualified to be a head coach when he was hired

obviously the 49ers have a shitty fanbase because he was fired

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 8:27 PM. Reason : also they need to give up on alex smith already. it's been, what, 6 years? wait...]

1/22/2011 8:26:28 PM

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"obviously the 49ers have a shitty fanbase because he was fired"

obviously you're not getting it

1/22/2011 8:29:27 PM

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"Can't be worse."

Probably what WF fans were saying at about this time last year... That sure has worked out well for them so far hasn't it?

1/22/2011 8:36:51 PM

Jesus, can we stop with these stupid comparisons? It's so stupid on both sides. I don't want to hear about how keeping/firing Sidney Lowe is like any number of schools who had negative/positive experiences with new coaches.

[Edited on January 22, 2011 at 8:46 PM. Reason : -]

1/22/2011 8:41:45 PM

wow? no love for Mike?

1/22/2011 8:44:02 PM

Don't read this then.
WF is also probably even a more desirable job
Unfortunately I would put NCSU at about 6-7th in the ACC as far as job desirability so a coaching change shouldn't be undertaken lightly.

1/22/2011 8:48:27 PM

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"WF is also probably even a more desirable job "

LOL i would love to hear the explanation for this

1/22/2011 8:49:10 PM

I can't see Turgeon leaving for anything other than an upper eschelon program. Kansas is his dream job (not that Self is going anywhere anytime soon), but he's comfortable in Texas and the Midwest.

1/22/2011 8:51:13 PM

Much more relevant in recent times (when was the last time NCSU acheived a top 10 ranking let alone #1). Has several top tier players in the NBA (helps with recruiting). Job isn't perceived as being as high pressure.

1/22/2011 8:56:48 PM

no way, people still believe that this is a premier job, people are fucking dying to come to a program that hasn't done shit in 20 years, that is also sandwiched in between Roy Williams and Coach K

1/22/2011 9:01:02 PM

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"i think we need to build a computer to coach it can just take every real-time post on tww and pack pride, average the decision and yell out instructions to the players and it would definitely need to have a robot-voice and it wouldn't be able to understand the concept of love "

I laughed.

Then I realized it would be awesome becuase robocoach would probably fire himself midway through the first half of game 1

1/22/2011 10:13:22 PM

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"I can't see Turgeon leaving for anything other than an upper eschelon program. Kansas is his dream job (not that Self is going anywhere anytime soon), but he's comfortable in Texas and the Midwest. "

Agreed. No shot in hell for Turgeon. Midwest guy, aTm can pay him more, he's got a great program there. He'll stay there until Kansas or an elite comes calling (UK, UNC, Duke, etc).

The only way we'd have a shot is if aTm's AD and he don't get along, if we somehow offered him way more than they were willing, or if facilities are uber important to him.

I give it about a 0.01% chance. Should have hired him the first go-round. Anyone who takes Witchifreakingta State to the Sweet 16 is ok in my book

1/22/2011 10:17:11 PM

ahahaha robocoach hate self


Why robocoach exist?

1/22/2011 10:17:32 PM

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"Much more relevant in recent times (when was the last time NCSU acheived a top 10 ranking let alone #1). Has several top tier players in the NBA (helps with recruiting). Job isn't perceived as being as high pressure."

counter point: they've had 2 coaching changes since our last

change 1: they hired an assistant
change 2: they hired jeff bzdelik and forced him to keep all the former staff

equally as bad as our last search imo and they supposedly have an AD mastermind. reality of the situation is that they are a small private school where recruiting is difficult and if it wasnt for chris paul and tim duncan they would be elon (oh wait, they basically are this year). their ceiling is lower. they still have the shadow of unc and duke...they're just a little further removed from it. also, good luck getting anyone to come take over that disaster of a roster when the fanbase is already frothing at the mouth from the awful bzdelik move

state is in a much better temporary and long term position. the fanbase just wants any success after the last few years and isn't as crazed (well, most of it at least) as it was post-sendek. theoretically, a good roster. big state school located in a major city (ok, it's not LA or even atlanta but it's better than freaking winston salem) with an nba (err...nhl) size arena. theoretically, a talented roster to work with. plenty of pluses to our job, we're at least equal to WF as a job and I would argue above it.

if we're being honest about this there is no list of how good each college's job is. there are tiers, and even then...it depends on the guy. for instance, brad stevens probably isn't leaving butler for anywhere but indiana or duke. the purdue coach is an alum so he's not going anywhere unless it's a top 5 job and they bust out mega $$$. etc. im sure some coaches look at our job and are scared by the neighbors down the road. i wouldnt want those guys anyway. there are coaches out there who'd view it as a challenge. go find them

we're a mid level acc job, which still has some pull. the acc doesn't have the same magic to it that it used to but it's still one of the few major conferences that takes basketball seriously and right now the competition is about as weak as you're ever going to get. big opportunity to make a name for yourself if you stabilize a program and are ready to pounce once k and the williams' retire

1/22/2011 11:26:15 PM

Are we really a mid-level ACC team, though? I mean, we've finished at the bottom for a while now. And to be perfectly honest, I have to think that we are a less desirable job than we were five years ago. I hope Sidney can turn it around, but I think a reality check would help us make realistic and achievable goals when trying to climb back up the ranks.

1/23/2011 12:00:03 AM

1/23/2011 12:05:28 AM

The only thing worse than the ingrates who want to fire a coach mid-season are the fucking asshole douche bags who think we should be happy with mediocre coaches because of our current status among college basketball's elite. WAAAAAAAA don't call out the head coach because the losing hurts him more than it hurts us.....give me a fucking break. But recruits read these boards!.....fine, but they also see our games, read the standings and watch the NCAA Tournament.

Win or get the fuck out. I'll be the first one to say I was wrong if Sid somehow turned it around. And for those who think we have bad fans.....there is not a more loyal fan base in the country. (To a fault actually, most fanbases would not have put up with the bullshit that we've endured over the past 20 years) At this point, based on merit there should be about 2-3,000 people at home games, not 14-15,000.

1/23/2011 12:09:57 AM

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"Are we really a mid-level ACC team, though? I mean, we've finished at the bottom for a while now."

clemson just lost their coach to depaul

[Edited on January 23, 2011 at 12:13 AM. Reason : sendek years 6-10 we were well established in the mid level. maybe even upper-mid]

1/23/2011 12:11:00 AM

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"sendek years 6-10 we were well established in the mid level. maybe even upper-mid"

That's kind of the point I was trying to make. As a program, we were probably a more desirable destination for a coach after Sendek left than we are right now (assuming we can't turn it around this season). So, I really don't know who we could get, or more importantly, who would be willing to jump into this situation.

1/23/2011 12:18:55 AM

All things considered-Duke, UNC, and I guess Maryland are the only ACC jobs better than ours. Huge fanbase at a basketball first school with a great arena. FSU, Clemson, Miami, BC, VT, and GT are not even close. One could make a decent case for WF or UVA. Win (relatively) big here, and you're a god.

And there is really nothing wrong with speculating over a new hire, because in all likelihood we will have a new coach next season.

1/23/2011 12:20:06 AM

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"Win (relatively) big here, and you're a god."

Define "relatively." Multiple top 3 finishes in the ACC? Consecutive NCAA appearances? Sweet 16 appearance?

1/23/2011 12:24:42 AM

Better than one sweet 16 in 10 season years.
Able to put up a least a decent fight vs your arch rivals.
An ACC title.

Basically Sendek without the choking.

71–88 record in the ACC and a 32–87 record against RPI top 50 teams

1/23/2011 12:28:36 AM

Let's Paul Maurice this bitch.

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"10 SEASON YEARS"

[Edited on January 23, 2011 at 12:32 AM. Reason : .]

1/23/2011 12:30:58 AM

LOL, not even going to edit that fuck up.

1/23/2011 12:32:31 AM

this is starting to become a circular debate but how exactly are we supposed to BECOME a mid level job? when herb left our fans were too mean and deluded for anyone to come because he had made 5 straight NCAAs. now lowe is angling for 5 straight bottom 4 in the conference finishes and our team is too bad? with those standards the only places that can make good hires are historic programs after a guy retires. ...but then you have the pressure of following a legend. so not then either

i agree with hey now. we should at least sell ourselves as better than all the traditional football schools. we've covered wake and I'd take us over uva too. though uva did hire a young coach from a BCS school that had post-season success and was 10 games over .500 in conference in just 3 years of coaching

i'd take that. preferably without the sit on the ball offense. but i'd take it

1/23/2011 12:36:15 AM

Basically what it comes down to (to me, anyway) is that the ACC is not the same as say, the SEC in football. It's not as deep as it once was, and merely being in the ACC doesn't add any allure to the job. And, if we aren't at the top of the ACC (and we're not, obviously) then our position in the conference could easily be seen as more as a detriment than an opportunity. I'm not suggesting we sit back and accept our lot, but we have to realistically understand that it's going to take time, a bit of luck, and an overachieving coach/team to overcome the many obstacles we face.

We were in a position to land a big name after Sendek left, and we didn't. I really think that was the biggest reality check for me. We were a top level ACC team, and we still couldn't find a big name to rise up to the challenge. Now we are not at the top, so its going to be even harder to find that special coach.

[Edited on January 23, 2011 at 12:40 AM. Reason : ]

1/23/2011 12:36:19 AM

^
Of course that GT rebuttal is ridiculous. George Mason made the Elite 8 during that time. And the rest of your post (especially the ACC part) is right on, except that I think our fanbase is more realistic than you think, and we give our coaches PLENTY of time to get things right.

1/23/2011 12:38:43 AM

Oh this has been a circular debate for years now.

1/23/2011 12:40:40 AM

GT isn't a bad job. Their campus is in Atlanta. Huge recruiting boon right there. Outside the metro area Georgia is a football state, though. And they're #2 behind UGA in the state (sound familiar?). It's also tough to hide athletes at that school. They dont have many joke majors. I don't think they have quite the same fan support or basketball focus personally. But overall it's a solid job. If they can ever ditch Hewitt and his contract they should be able to make a good hire. Just like we should

1/23/2011 12:45:14 AM

Agreed, it's the best job of the "football" schools.

1/23/2011 12:46:32 AM