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"So her ghost carried Aaron all the way to where they made camp and passed out for the night? That's the only hole in that idea."

he did say this:

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"Does anyone think it's possible that Claire died in her sleep somehow?"

[Edited on May 10, 2008 at 10:18 PM. Reason : /]

5/10/2008 10:18:22 PM

Desmond had a vision about her and Aaron getting into a helicopter if Charlie were to die at the Looking Glass. Charlie died so she has to get into a helicopter with Aaron at some point.

5/10/2008 10:37:07 PM

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"So her ghost carried Aaron all the way to where they made camp and passed out for the night? That's the only hole in that idea."

yeah, i definitely said "in her sleep"... as in after they got to camp.

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"but claire being dead and being something akin to a zombie just seems crazy, even for Lost"

Who said anything about zombies?

I acknowledged that I didn't think of the fact that her body should still be there. But even then... we know the smoke shit can pick stuff up and move it. We also know there is a ring of grayish powder around the cabin (could have to do with the smoke shit... maybe not). And someone said Christian's body went missing, so it wouldn't be the first time.

But there is definitely something up with Claire just up and leaving her baby (i'm sure everyone agrees with this). She wouldn't do that under normal circumstances... and she wouldn't be hanging out in a cabin laughing and shit while her baby was out in the elements. Of course, it's also not normal to see your father, who should be dead (although she doesn't know that), on a remote island. They didn't really show any interaction between Claire and Christian, but two things which probably would have come up are... A) Claire asking how her father, who she barely knows, how he is on the island she crashed on and how he found their camp... and B) him saying something that would make her not only leave her baby in the woods, but to be so cool with it that later she is just hanging out, laughing, and seemingly not worried about Aaron.


I'm not saying that I definitely think she is dead, it was just a thought I had and was wondering if anyone else had a similar thought. I don't think there is anything that explicitly makes it impossible (in the world of Lost), or more accurately... there are things which have happened which make it possible. Time will tell though.

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"Desmond had a vision about her and Aaron getting into a helicopter if Charlie were to die at the Looking Glass. Charlie died so she has to get into a helicopter with Aaron at some point."

That's a good point. Probably the strongest against the possibility of her being dead.

[Edited on May 11, 2008 at 11:20 AM. Reason : saying]

5/11/2008 11:16:31 AM

i really wanted to see harper and juliette lez out.

5/11/2008 6:23:53 PM

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"Who said anything about zombies?"

ha, no one. but you were theorizing about the possibility of a dead person walking around

5/11/2008 6:31:14 PM

lol they talk about the zombie season in a podcast.

btw i just started listening to these podcasts. kind of funny how far people read into stuff.

5/11/2008 6:32:57 PM

^^ In my mind she would have been like Charlie, Christian, Walt, and others who are believed to be dead/and or missing but who have been seen by various characters. I don't know if they're ghosts, dead, alive, time traveling, real, whatever... but more along those lines than a dead body up and walking around. I just didn't think of the simple fact that the body would still be back at camp, which pretty much puts a plug in the idea unless the body was moved.

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"i really wanted to see harper and juliette lez out."

In addition to those, I would accept Kate, Claire, Naomi, Libby, Nikki, Shannon, and even M-rod.

5/11/2008 7:35:55 PM

methinks the black guy who was the orderly might be jacob?

He said:
"Next time you see me, you'll owe me one..."

5/12/2008 5:00:59 PM

i really can't start to speculate as to who abaddon or alpert are.


but i'm pretty sure he isn't jacob.
why would abaddon hire naomi to attack the island then move it in defense from the people that he ordered to come here?


we do know that he told her that there were no survivors then later asks hurley if 'they' were still alive. not sure what this is a reference too and i'd assume we'll figure this out in the next 2 or 3 weeks considering his team is already back on the island and we already know what locke has to do to 'save' the island.

5/12/2008 5:12:18 PM

^^ That's possible, although the only thing I could possibly think of that would go against it is the episode where Locke and Ben first went to the cabin and Ben was talking to Jacob but Locke couldn't see/hear Jacob. Then things started going crazy and stuff started flying all over the place and for a split second you could "see" Jacob sitting on the rocking chair. When you could see him, he wasn't black and he had hair. It might have been Jack's dad again or Jacob might be the smoke monster that can change shapes, etc.

[Edited on May 12, 2008 at 5:24 PM. Reason : ]

5/12/2008 5:15:18 PM

i'm really iffy about jacks dad.

i think people who arrive on the island and are already dead are reanimated by the island (like Yemi). Then again (according to lostpedia) yemi appeared to eko right before the smoke monster did. Maybe they are all somehow connected.

could be confirmed if we see the dead docter wondering around followed by the smoke monster.

5/12/2008 5:23:15 PM

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"we do know that he told her that there were no survivors then later asks hurley if 'they' were still alive. "

I think Abaddon works for Whidmore (or vice versa).
He knew there were survivors on the island, but told Naomi there weren't, winking at her and telling her to kill anyone that claims to be a survivor. This is necessary to maintain the lie of the wreckage that was found in the Trench. He asks Hurley if they were still alive to find out if Naomi did her job and killed the rest.

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"think people who arrive on the island and are already dead are reanimated by the island (like Yemi). Then again (according to lostpedia) yemi appeared to eko right before the smoke monster did. Maybe they are all somehow connected."

I think the Christian we see on the island is not his dead body reanimated but is actually the smoke monster taking his form. At the same time, I think it really is Christian in mind/spirit and that the smoke is only a way for him to communicate from death.

The smoke monster can only take the form of someone that is dead, but when it does it actually brings that person to the island. Locke's dad thought that he was in hell/purgatory because the last thing he remembered was being in a car accident in Tennessee before he appeared on the island.

I don't think that Jacob is the smoke monster. Maybe Jacob is dead and can only communicate with/through the dead people that the smoke monster summons.

5/12/2008 5:59:47 PM

^Then how do you explain Zed (fat gay dude who was shot by sawyer) ending up outside the island in the real world guiding Michael towards the mission on the Whidmore ship heading to the island?

5/13/2008 12:01:31 AM

what the fuck are you talking about?

5/13/2008 12:31:56 AM

^^do you really not realize that what was happening in that episode took place long before he got shot...??

5/13/2008 1:10:37 AM

Zed? wtf did you get that name from? His name was Tom. And Sawyer shot him after he told Michael to go back to the island.

5/13/2008 9:18:41 AM

The added moxy they gave Claire made her hot as shit in that episode(to me).

5/13/2008 10:55:12 AM

pretty sure Sawyer calls Tom Zed.. maybe it was zeek

5/13/2008 11:01:22 AM

His character was initially introduced as Zeke back when very little was known about the Others. That is when he was wearing a fake beard and we thought he was their leader.

5/13/2008 11:18:06 AM

no one ever called him Zed.
Sawyer called him Zeke or Bluebeard a couple times each.
Fans called him the Gorton's fisherman for a short bit after his first appearance.
The producers called him Mr. Friendly until he was given an actual name at the end of season two.

[Edited on May 13, 2008 at 11:21 AM. Reason : some speculate that 'friendly' actually is his last name, which would be awesome, imo]

5/13/2008 11:18:54 AM

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"I think the Christian we see on the island is not his dead body reanimated but is actually the smoke monster taking his form. At the same time, I think it really is Christian in mind/spirit and that the smoke is only a way for him to communicate from death. The smoke monster can only take the form of someone that is dead, but when it does it actually brings that person to the island. Locke's dad thought that he was in hell/purgatory because the last thing he remembered was being in a car accident in Tennessee before he appeared on the island. I don't think that Jacob is the smoke monster. Maybe Jacob is dead and can only communicate with/through the dead people that the smoke monster summons."

What in the fuck are you talking about?

5/13/2008 2:47:51 PM

first off

Ryan, Zeke is what the guy was called and yes that took place before he was shot.

I doubt the smoke monster is jacob for those saying that because Ben can obviously summon the smoke monster but can't summon jacob, from what we've seen thus far.

I don't think the smoke monster summons dead people or takes the form of them or anything in that direction, personally. to take the locke's dad example, he was killed (or rekilled) by sawyer and didn't make any appearance of dissipating into smoke or a non-flesh state.

People have visions out there. Some times its people who have already died or some times its people who are just away from the island, but we've never really seen any evidence of them being alive in the traditional sense of the word.

its likely an explanation we have as of yet to concoct. at the end of this season i think we'll have most of our answers in that direction.

5/13/2008 5:03:50 PM

WRONG THREAD

5/13/2008 5:04:46 PM

5/14/2008 1:26:32 PM

^lol

btw, the writers have said that we have seen the smoke monster more times than we think, and that sometimes when it is on screen we just don't know it. That is the main reason I think that at least some of the dead people on the island (specifically Yemi) are actually it. Whatever it is (nanobots or something), it obviously has the ability to "read" people's minds so I'm thinking that it is just able to take someone from your memory and manifest itself like that. I'd really like to know what that sound it makes is though... I remember even hearing it in that episode about Nikki and Paulo that nobody liked at the part when the spiders started coming out of nowhere.

5/14/2008 1:49:50 PM

^What in the fuck are you talking about?

5/14/2008 3:04:16 PM

Before this season started, the writers said that we have seen the smoke monster more times then we know, it has just taken the shape of something else. We already know it is able to read people's minds, so I think that for example on the case of Eko, it read his mind and manifested itself as Yemi who we already know to be dead.

5/14/2008 3:09:01 PM

I'll sign on to what you say in part, but i still disagree with it being connected to who was in the cabin. especially given that christian also showed up on the mainland/real world. i seriously doubt that the smoke monster is capable of such a range.

5/14/2008 3:15:49 PM

they also said the monster was not nanobots.

5/14/2008 3:31:30 PM

if the smoke monster is christian in the cabin i will stop watching the show.

5/14/2008 3:34:28 PM

Oh they confirmed that? I figured it was just some type of prototype Dharma weapon that got loose and nanobots was all I could come up with. I guess Danielle said it was a "defense system" but that doesn't say much...

5/14/2008 3:49:33 PM

Random question, probably covered a long time ago:

Rousseau's distress signal that the survivors found in the pilot episode, it said something like "They're all dead, it/he has killed them all." Was that in reference to the purge?

I haven't been paying much attention to this show the past two seasons, so I've probably missed it. Troll away.

5/14/2008 4:54:07 PM

I don't think so, she was never a member of the Dharma Initiative. She came to the island years after the purge.

5/14/2008 5:21:51 PM

I think Rousseau was around for the purge. The Horace guy from Locke's dream said he's been dead for 12 years, the tape has been playing for 16 years. That of course debunks the theory that the signal was related to the purge, but maybe Sayid just messed up his math.

--

From the Lostpedia article on the purge (hardly factual, but more credence to my post):

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"How did Danielle Rousseau survive the Purge?"

Lostpedia also says that Rousseau sounded like she was out of breath on the message. I don't remember that, but it seems like it could be caused by the gas.

[Edited on May 14, 2008 at 5:37 PM. Reason : ]

5/14/2008 5:25:59 PM

^wow. yeah. How else could Ben have found Alex at first? (did they explain that already?)

Also

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"i seriously doubt that the smoke monster is capable of such a range."

How do u explain Juliette's sister being cured of cancer? (Yet Ben can't cure his own....)


Quite a few great eps so far this season. Phuck all the haters.
Buuuut they really have raised more questions than answers -yet again.

Based on the pure number of linkages that are surely involved in all of the scenarios that form the 'solution' to wtf is going on here - it can only get better once they finally begin to converge....

[Edited on May 14, 2008 at 9:15 PM. Reason : bold, son]

5/14/2008 9:13:34 PM

^ that's how they keep us coming back, the belief that they will eventually answer questions

5/15/2008 11:06:03 AM

^^ i think last week he made a reference to "enduring cancer" implying that it could have been taken care of, but he didn't allow it to based on what jacob had requested per what needed to take place.

5/15/2008 1:13:38 PM

aaron looks too old. he should only be 4-6 months old, or at most ~8

5/15/2008 10:06:50 PM

you look too old.

5/15/2008 10:08:17 PM

too

5/15/2008 10:09:59 PM

This is looking like a good one.

5/15/2008 10:10:36 PM

woot! uscg Aviation with the "rescue"

k, so to harp on about the only thing in lost that I know about without having to google it.

They do have C-130's stationed out of Barber's Point, HI but minimum crew for a C-130 is 2 Pilots (shown) 1 Nav, 1 Radioman and at least 2 crew in the back.
Basically there were no enlisted types on that flight in the lost world...

5/15/2008 10:18:17 PM

Aaron is 5-weeks. ha, nobody will buy that?

hmm, n/m..... he looks younger now than the baby that was on the cargo plane

[Edited on May 15, 2008 at 10:20 PM. Reason : .]

5/15/2008 10:20:24 PM

oh snap

5/15/2008 10:32:33 PM

the birth of Sun Microsystems


yay the numbers are back

[Edited on May 15, 2008 at 10:39 PM. Reason : ]

5/15/2008 10:33:11 PM

You had to assume jack's weirdness towards Aaron in previous episodes was related to him discovering he was related to Claire...
Still though... wow.

[Edited on May 15, 2008 at 10:53 PM. Reason : ..]

5/15/2008 10:53:15 PM

"we took a boat and followed Ben's bearing", landed on an island, blah blah blah
yeah, he's lying. He did some kind of space/time warp back to NYC

btw, what was Michael back before the crash? Any indication that he was an engine-fixing wizard?

5/15/2008 10:56:09 PM

aha, The Others are back!

5/15/2008 10:56:55 PM

Jesus Christ is not a weapon

5/15/2008 11:08:41 PM

Michael was an artist/architect type who at least dabbled in mech engineering/design. Remember he designed/built an aqueduct system and 2 seaworthy rafts on the island.

I think the idea behind him having to fix the engines was the fact that he was the one who fucked them up to start with, so he'd know what had to be undone.

5/15/2008 11:32:42 PM