Just saw the QQ vs. KQ, dirty

1/4/2009 4:17:21 PM

Haha yeah.

1/4/2009 4:18:26 PM

Him with the 6 woulda been nice...

PokerStars Game #23572925501: Tournament #129736512, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/01/04 16:28:30 ET
Table '129736512 2102' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Go_Tigers11 (11954 in chips)
Seat 2: ncsuthedude (5200 in chips)
Seat 3: Neurspi (4398 in chips)
Seat 4: KaspersRealm (3430 in chips)
Seat 5: Fussi (1940 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 6: antho444 (16736 in chips)
Seat 7: brukacka (10240 in chips)
Seat 8: Braxel (4880 in chips)
Seat 9: TorontoTonto (2075 in chips) is sitting out
Fussi: posts small blind 100
antho444: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ncsuthedude [Qs Qh]
brukacka: folds
Braxel: calls 200
TorontoTonto: folds
Go_Tigers11: folds
ncsuthedude: raises 600 to 800
Neurspi: folds
KaspersRealm: folds
Fussi: folds
antho444: folds
Braxel: calls 600
*** FLOP *** [6d 6h Qd]
Braxel: bets 200
ncsuthedude: calls 200
*** TURN *** [6d 6h Qd] [Qc]
Braxel: bets 200
ncsuthedude: calls 200
*** RIVER *** [6d 6h Qd Qc] [6s]
Braxel: bets 200
ncsuthedude: raises 800 to 1000
Braxel: calls 800
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ncsuthedude: shows [Qs Qh] (four of a kind, Queens)
Braxel: mucks hand
ncsuthedude collected 4700 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4700 | Rake 0
Board [6d 6h Qd Qc 6s]
Seat 1: Go_Tigers11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: ncsuthedude showed [Qs Qh] and won (4700) with four of a kind, Queens
Seat 3: Neurspi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: KaspersRealm (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Fussi (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: antho444 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: brukacka folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Braxel mucked [8h Ah]
Seat 9: TorontoTonto folded before Flop (didn't bet)

1/4/2009 4:29:57 PM

No fair, your QQ held up.

1/4/2009 4:32:26 PM

Now its your turn to get 10101010

Full Tilt Poker Game #9855697621: $18,000 Guarantee (1r+1a) (74831634), Table 21 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:35:37 ET - 2009/01/04
Seat 1: marginreturns (11,455)
Seat 2: chickengod (23,795)
Seat 3: AsMetzmagnyAs (17,932)
Seat 4: hat46 (12,706)
Seat 5: ROSSEN (25,528)
Seat 6: david0603 (14,483)
Seat 7: mendieta19 (8,613)
Seat 8: Bergmannen (4,190)
Seat 9: rdcrsn (25,862)
marginreturns antes 50
chickengod antes 50
AsMetzmagnyAs antes 50
hat46 antes 50
ROSSEN antes 50
david0603 antes 50
mendieta19 antes 50
Bergmannen antes 50
rdcrsn antes 50
rdcrsn posts the small blind of 250
marginreturns posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david0603 [Jh Js]
chickengod folds
AsMetzmagnyAs folds
hat46 folds
ROSSEN folds
david0603 raises to 1,250
mendieta19 raises to 8,563, and is all in
Bergmannen folds
rdcrsn folds
marginreturns folds
david0603 has 15 seconds left to act
david0603 calls 7,313
mendieta19 shows [Ks Ad]
david0603 shows [Jh Js]
*** FLOP *** [4h 4c Jc]
*** TURN *** [4h 4c Jc] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [4h 4c Jc Jd] [7d]
mendieta19 shows two pair, Jacks and Fours
david0603 shows four of a kind, Jacks
david0603 wins the pot (18,326) with four of a kind, Jacks
mendieta19 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18,326 | Rake 0
Board: [4h 4c Jc Jd 7d]
Seat 1: marginreturns (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: chickengod folded before the Flop
Seat 3: AsMetzmagnyAs folded before the Flop
Seat 4: hat46 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: ROSSEN folded before the Flop
Seat 6: david0603 showed [Jh Js] and won (18,326) with four of a kind, Jacks
Seat 7: mendieta19 showed [Ks Ad] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fours
Seat 8: Bergmannen (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: rdcrsn (small blind) folded before the Flop

1/4/2009 4:37:08 PM

Heh. Damn probability.

Full Tilt Poker Game #9855728049: $18,000 Guarantee (1r+1a) (74831634), Table 21 - 250/500 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:37:23 ET - 2009/01/04
Seat 1: marginreturns (10,605)
Seat 2: chickengod (23,195)
Seat 3: AsMetzmagnyAs (17,832)
Seat 4: hat46 (12,606)
Seat 5: ROSSEN (26,003)
Seat 6: david0603 (24,146)
Seat 8: Bergmannen (4,665)
Seat 9: rdcrsn (25,512)
marginreturns antes 50
chickengod antes 50
AsMetzmagnyAs antes 50
hat46 antes 50
ROSSEN antes 50
david0603 antes 50
Bergmannen antes 50
rdcrsn antes 50
chickengod posts the small blind of 250
AsMetzmagnyAs posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david0603 [Js Jc]
hat46 folds
ROSSEN folds
mattster24 sits down
mattster24 adds 26,318
david0603 has 15 seconds left to act
david0603 raises to 1,250
Bergmannen folds
rdcrsn folds
marginreturns has 15 seconds left to act
marginreturns raises to 10,555, and is all in
chickengod folds
AsMetzmagnyAs folds
david0603 calls 9,305
marginreturns shows [Ac Kh]
david0603 shows [Js Jc]
*** FLOP *** [3d 3s 4h]
*** TURN *** [3d 3s 4h] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [3d 3s 4h Ks] [Kd]
marginreturns shows a full house, Kings full of Threes
david0603 shows two pair, Kings and Jacks
marginreturns wins the pot (22,260) with a full house, Kings full of Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 22,260 | Rake 0
Board: [3d 3s 4h Ks Kd]
Seat 1: marginreturns (button) showed [Ac Kh] and won (22,260) with a full house, Kings full of Threes
Seat 2: chickengod (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: AsMetzmagnyAs (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: hat46 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: ROSSEN folded before the Flop
Seat 6: david0603 showed [Js Jc] and lost with two pair, Kings and Jacks
Seat 8: Bergmannen folded before the Flop
Seat 9: rdcrsn folded before the Flop

1/4/2009 4:38:38 PM

KK vs AA twice is one day. Not good. Not good at all.

1/4/2009 4:54:42 PM

I don't know why your queens can't hold up...

PokerStars Game #23573871130: Tournament #129736512, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/01/04 16:57:51 ET
Table '129736512 1220' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: fikuuu (4087 in chips)
Seat 2: ncsuthedude (6150 in chips)
Seat 3: adamkenno (8065 in chips)
Seat 4: ciprovo (7496 in chips)
Seat 5: tourl48 (7655 in chips)
Seat 6: Timepirat (11067 in chips)
Seat 7: HanTheMan15 (4712 in chips)
Seat 8: 10_dimer_10 (11745 in chips)
Seat 9: mppowerm (11830 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
fikuuu: posts the ante 25
ncsuthedude: posts the ante 25
adamkenno: posts the ante 25
ciprovo: posts the ante 25
tourl48: posts the ante 25
Timepirat: posts the ante 25
HanTheMan15: posts the ante 25
10_dimer_10: posts the ante 25
fikuuu: posts small blind 150
ncsuthedude: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ncsuthedude [Qc Qd]
adamkenno: folds
ciprovo: folds
tourl48: folds
Timepirat: calls 300
HanTheMan15: folds
10_dimer_10: raises 1200 to 1500
fikuuu: folds
ncsuthedude: raises 4625 to 6125 and is all-in
Timepirat: folds
10_dimer_10: calls 4625
*** FLOP *** [Qh Qs Js]
*** TURN *** [Qh Qs Js] [7d]
*** RIVER *** [Qh Qs Js 7d] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ncsuthedude: shows [Qc Qd] (four of a kind, Queens)
10_dimer_10: shows [Jh Jd] (a full house, Jacks full of Queens)
ncsuthedude collected 12900 from pot
10_dimer_10 said, "ouch"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 12900 | Rake 0
Board [Qh Qs Js 7d 8h]
Seat 1: fikuuu (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: ncsuthedude (big blind) showed [Qc Qd] and won (12900) with four of a kind, Queens
Seat 3: adamkenno folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: ciprovo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tourl48 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Timepirat folded before Flop
Seat 7: HanTheMan15 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: 10_dimer_10 (button) showed [Jh Jd] and lost with a full house, Jacks full of Queens

1/4/2009 4:59:14 PM

Show off.

1/4/2009 5:06:49 PM

I'm such a station...

PokerStars Game #23574798625: Tournament #129736512, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2009/01/04 17:26:17 ET
Table '129736512 2177' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: cpnemofish (27017 in chips)
Seat 2: Mahadgy (17680 in chips)
Seat 3: ncsuthedude (16699 in chips)
Seat 4: brig_panda (43869 in chips)
Seat 5: BigFlop4me (7955 in chips)
Seat 6: MALAMUTE (33993 in chips)
Seat 7: Stef333 (13971 in chips)
Seat 8: KKDANKK (11540 in chips)
Seat 9: jgeebs (19237 in chips)
cpnemofish: posts the ante 75
Mahadgy: posts the ante 75
ncsuthedude: posts the ante 75
brig_panda: posts the ante 75
BigFlop4me: posts the ante 75
MALAMUTE: posts the ante 75
Stef333: posts the ante 75
KKDANKK: posts the ante 75
jgeebs: posts the ante 75
brig_panda: posts small blind 400
BigFlop4me: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ncsuthedude [Kd Ah]
MALAMUTE: folds
Stef333: raises 1600 to 2400
KKDANKK: folds
jgeebs: folds
cpnemofish: folds
Mahadgy: folds
ncsuthedude: calls 2400
brig_panda: folds
BigFlop4me: folds
*** FLOP *** [5c 4s 5s]
Stef333: bets 2400
ncsuthedude: calls 2400
*** TURN *** [5c 4s 5s] [2h]
Stef333: bets 2400
ncsuthedude: calls 2400
*** RIVER *** [5c 4s 5s 2h] [Kc]
Stef333: checks
ncsuthedude: bets 4000
Stef333: calls 4000
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ncsuthedude: shows [Kd Ah] (two pair, Kings and Fives)
Stef333: mucks hand
ncsuthedude collected 24275 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 24275 | Rake 0
Board [5c 4s 5s 2h Kc]
Seat 1: cpnemofish folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Mahadgy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: ncsuthedude (button) showed [Kd Ah] and won (24275) with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 4: brig_panda (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: BigFlop4me (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: MALAMUTE folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Stef333 mucked [Jd Jc]
Seat 8: KKDANKK folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: jgeebs folded before Flop (didn't bet)

1/4/2009 5:28:20 PM

Haha. And you were talking about my ROI last page???

1/4/2009 5:36:12 PM

Put him on TTish or AQish and just floated the flop, gave me the wheel gutter and was pretty much priced to call the turn (although floating against an OP and floating w/o betting the turn doesnt make much sense). Thats also my cash game mentality and I only play tournies when I've got other things to do at the same time, so that part of my game can admittedly use a lot of work



[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 5:48 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2009 5:40:43 PM

moe...is ur name kensmoe8 on stars?

if so ur at my 25nl table right now

1/4/2009 6:03:38 PM

Out in 1078th for a grand total of $30, what a terrible prize structure.

1/4/2009 6:46:26 PM

Haha, yeah. I got about 200 a few weeks ago and it too was a jok.e

1/4/2009 7:01:42 PM

David, when you win the Sunday Million can you send me like...errrr.... 1k?

Ty

1/4/2009 7:24:00 PM

haha, fingers crossed

1/4/2009 7:28:22 PM

Haha yeh

Just saw you rocket from like 10bb to 40bb in less than an orbit...gg

1/4/2009 7:30:03 PM

1/4/2009 7:39:12 PM

That was a pretty gross call w/ 88

1/4/2009 7:41:41 PM

Agreed
PokerStars Game #23578969407: Tournament #129730961, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (1000/2000) - 2009/01/04 19:38:04 ET
Table '129730961 100' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Ze_worm (58650 in chips)
Seat 2: Dunross (31599 in chips)
Seat 3: scb22 (47178 in chips)
Seat 4: Eegah (13030 in chips)
Seat 5: canplaypoker (91534 in chips)
Seat 6: Alfaman147 (25134 in chips)
Seat 7: greezhool (57137 in chips)
Seat 8: ICTOASN (38519 in chips)
Seat 9: david0603 (111710 in chips)
Ze_worm: posts the ante 200
Dunross: posts the ante 200
scb22: posts the ante 200
Eegah: posts the ante 200
canplaypoker: posts the ante 200
Alfaman147: posts the ante 200
greezhool: posts the ante 200
ICTOASN: posts the ante 200
david0603: posts the ante 200
david0603: posts small blind 1000
Ze_worm: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david0603 [Kh Kc]
Dunross: folds
scb22: raises 2765 to 4765
Eegah: folds
canplaypoker: folds
Alfaman147: folds
greezhool: folds
ICTOASN: folds
david0603: raises 61235 to 66000
Ze_worm: folds
scb22: calls 42213 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (19022) returned to david0603
*** FLOP *** [5s 9c 3c]
*** TURN *** [5s 9c 3c] [8c]
*** RIVER *** [5s 9c 3c 8c] [7h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
david0603: shows [Kh Kc] (a pair of Kings)
scb22: shows [8h 8d] (three of a kind, Eights)
scb22 collected 97756 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 97756 | Rake 0
Board [5s 9c 3c 8c 7h]
Seat 1: Ze_worm (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Dunross folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: scb22 showed [8h 8d] and won (97756) with three of a kind, Eights
Seat 4: Eegah folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: canplaypoker folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Alfaman147 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: greezhool folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ICTOASN (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: david0603 (small blind) showed [Kh Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings


[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 7:42 PM. Reason : ]

1/4/2009 7:42:15 PM

What does tornament played hand for hand mena?

1/4/2009 8:21:11 PM

Every table waits for all the other tables to finish each hand when you get to the bubble to prevent short stacks from stalling.

[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 8:24 PM. Reason : sp]

1/4/2009 8:24:22 PM

Yeah, I gathered it by your comments at the table (stalking you now!).

1/4/2009 8:26:08 PM

Can you see into my place?

1/4/2009 8:28:50 PM

Yeah. Cards must be dead for you now, no?

1/4/2009 8:30:53 PM

Nah, I just like folding premium hands when I am short stacked.

1/4/2009 8:32:16 PM

AK on bb.

1/4/2009 8:34:12 PM

Of course.

1/4/2009 8:34:46 PM

Is this how it is for most of these big MTTs? A lot of folding? I've been watching for 10-15 minutes and I figured I would have seen more flops than this. Everyone just trying to get to the next cash level or something?


That helped, what did you have?

[Edited on January 4, 2009 at 8:37 PM. Reason : .]

1/4/2009 8:35:49 PM

Nah, just depends on the table. No one really stalls after the money.

1/4/2009 8:37:37 PM

KK, needed a caller, fucking blinds going up

1/4/2009 8:38:04 PM

What was that? This table seems scared as hell?

1/4/2009 8:44:36 PM

89 suited, pussies

1/4/2009 8:45:01 PM

And just like that.

1/4/2009 8:45:54 PM

Yeah, pretty much.

1/4/2009 8:46:07 PM

Fuck. It's play money, so I know it's worthless, but as I build my skill up (mostly for my local cash game), I take it seriously.

I grab a medium level SitnGo and am dealt KQ clubs first hand. Flop is xAJ clubs. I call station a 120 bet and another club pops out for the nut flush. I get mildly greedy, wanting to take this whole guys stack. Another J pops out...guy doesn't go all in on me, I think...nooooooo....all in him, and he flips AJ for the full house.

1/4/2009 9:51:15 PM

Quote :

"moe...is ur name kensmoe8 on stars? if so ur at my 25nl table right now "

Yep. Thats me. Was 24 tabling so sorry if I missed any of your chat.

1/5/2009 9:31:55 AM

Question: Anyone having success in tournaments or sit-n-go's using a super aggressive approach (ala Gus Hansen and Daniel Negreanu)? I find that one of biggest problems in tournaments is that I get bored easily when folding a lot. It often has led to me getting too aggressive and making dumbassed plays that donk off huge chunks of my chips. Thought that by playing more hands, and doing so as part of a coherent strategy, I could better keep that from happening. It'd also give me more opportunities to make good reads after the flop, which is one of my strengths... well usually it is anyway

Thoughts?

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 1:46 PM. Reason : sdf]

1/5/2009 1:46:33 PM

I wouldn't recommend trying to emulate a style like that when its difficult to understand their whole thought process and knowledge of the game... With that said, if patience is an issue for you, I wouldn't recommend playing tournaments and just stick to cash games (at least a couple tables at a time), or playing multiple sngs at a time. First few levels of any tourny should always be played very tight, hard to avoid "boring" play without running hot (theres always something to do though even if you're folding nearly every hand, like paying attention to everyone else's play).

1/5/2009 1:58:39 PM

^pretty much what he said

I usually play super tight through the early stages of SNG's, only looking for a good spot to double up if I come into a pot. If I'm only playing 1 SNG, sometimes I'll play a couple cash tables on the side to keep from getting bored. You really have to go with the flow of your table, if everyone's playing loose then play tight, if everyone's playing tight then loosen up a bit. That usually happens when you get close to the bubble. I usually widen my range of raisable hands at that time since a lot of people try to fold their way into the money. If I'm chip leader sometimes I try to keep the short stack alive while I steal blinds from the other players.

1/5/2009 2:15:16 PM

Keep the short stack alive???

1/5/2009 2:22:13 PM

General strategy on SNGs:

Play tight as balls early - open JJ+, AQ+, and that's about it until 75/150 or so
Loose late - take the scared monies

1/5/2009 3:15:07 PM

^^yeah, I know it sounds crazy, but I'll explain...

I usually only do this if the shortstack is immediately to my left. You might be able to steal a few blinds from him, but eventually he's going to have a hand and play back at you, so you're either going to have to fold and lose 3 BB's (2.5 for David, lol) or call with a more than likely dominated hand. Either way you're going to probably wash out most of your gains from punishing him earlier.

Don't get me wrong, I gladly punish the short stacks from certain positions where it doesn't quite look like a blantant steal. But when they're right next to you and the other 2 players have decent chip stacks, I usually give them a walk unless I have a good hand. Instead, I steal from the other 2 players, because they will fold almost anything preflop (unless they are really stubborn) until the short stack goes out on the bubble.

I am by no means a big Scott Fischmann fanboy, but I first heard about doing this from his book 'Online Ace,' and it's worked pretty well for me in 9 to 45 man SNG's

[Edited on January 5, 2009 at 8:07 PM. Reason : /]

1/5/2009 7:58:04 PM

Gotcha.

Does anyone have any experience w/ staking? Someone from 2p2 offered to stake me today. Basically what they were wanting to do was double my current bankroll, which I want, because I want to take some shots at higher level MTTs that I don't currently feel comfortable with using my roll. They will take 55% of net profit.

I haven't been staked before, but I really like the idea of not having to invest my own money as heavily. I take money off all the time to enjoy the college life, so I never have the opportunity to build a huge roll. Although I think i'll hate it when I final table a larger MTT and have to ship of 55% of my winnings. Anyone have any thoughts or experiences?

1/5/2009 8:12:35 PM

Ehh? You feel confident you're going to final a large table with an investor, and not like giving away half the winnings....ummm...why not stake yourself?


On an unrelated note, I really hate that I can't chat after going bust on a table on Poker Stars on either good or bad beats.

1/6/2009 9:29:12 PM

simple.

no risk of losing anything, with a chance of making something.

I would gladly let someone stake me.

1/6/2009 11:01:54 PM

Quote :

"Ehh? You feel confident you're going to final a large table with an investor, and not like giving away half the winnings....ummm...why not stake yourself? "

I do it all the time. I just want to do it at higher limits with less risk. When I win big now I generally take it off, if I win a lot more at higher limits staked I won't necessarily have to do that.

1/6/2009 11:31:34 PM

Quote :

"you're either going to have to fold and lose 3 BB's"

If the short stack (<=10BBs) pushes, you almost certainly have pot odds to call after putting in 3 bbs. Maybe I'd play it differently if it was the bubble but that's pretty much always an insta call for me.

1/7/2009 9:54:49 AM

^

Quote :

"or call with a more than likely dominated hand"

1/7/2009 11:51:00 AM