There should be an anti-stupid suckout mechanism built into all poker site engines

Full Tilt Poker Game #10721407103: $1 + $0.25 Sit & Go (80758385), Table 1 - 60/120 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:39:11 ET - 2009/02/19
Seat 1: bimco (2,500)
Seat 6: SHWADE22 (5,405)
Seat 8: Ismabat (5,595)
SHWADE22 posts the small blind of 60
Ismabat posts the big blind of 120
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SHWADE22 [Qd 5s]
bimco folds
SHWADE22 calls 60
Ismabat raises to 240
SHWADE22 calls 120
*** FLOP *** [9h Qs 6s]
SHWADE22 bets 480
Ismabat raises to 5,355, and is all in
SHWADE22 calls 4,685, and is all in
Ismabat shows [2c Js]
SHWADE22 shows [Qd 5s]
Uncalled bet of 190 returned to Ismabat
*** TURN *** [9h Qs 6s] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [9h Qs 6s 9s] [4s]
Ismabat shows a flush, Queen high
SHWADE22 shows a flush, Queen high
Ismabat wins the pot (10,810) with a flush, Queen high
SHWADE22 stands up
The blinds are now 80/160
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10,810 | Rake 0
Board: [9h Qs 6s 9s 4s]
Seat 1: bimco (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: SHWADE22 (small blind) showed [Qd 5s] and lost with a flush, Queen high
Seat 8: Ismabat (big blind) showed [2c Js] and won (10,810) with a flush, Queen high

2/19/2009 5:41:39 AM

Quote :

"Dealt to SHWADE22 [Qd 5s] bimco folds SHWADE22 calls 60 Ismabat raises to 240 SHWADE22 calls 120"

wtf are you doing?

2/19/2009 8:35:12 AM

^^i agree, you have unsuited Q & 5 why would you match a raise that was triple your bet. plus again why would you go all in on a pair of queens.

seriously if you are going to complain about some one sucking out on you, may you should have a really good hand to be pissed of about first

pair of queens

2/19/2009 9:36:45 AM

l

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2/19/2009 10:49:13 AM

2/19/2009 10:52:17 AM

Ok... look. Sit and go. I was SB. I called. He min-raised. I called. Flop comes out. Is top pair not usually a decent hand 3-handed? I was under the impression that it was. His bet was so large that I was 90% sure he was just trying to take the pot down without a fight so I called. He has absolutely nothing, hits running flush cards, and crushes me. It's not that bad of a play so get your heads out of your asses.

You're supposed to play the player and not the cards and I made the right play so yall can fuck off.

[Edited on February 19, 2009 at 3:30 PM. Reason : ]

2/19/2009 3:24:18 PM

lol, that didn't really go how you expected i take it.

2/19/2009 3:42:05 PM

Quote :

"You're supposed to play the player and not the cards "

No i think you play the cards.

you have 1000 or so in and then he bumps it up 5,000 when he goes all in. true he could be bluff (which he was) but there are too many possiblities that can beat you (he could have 2 pair, 3 of a kind, straight draw, flush draw)

i just think the smart move would let him get a way with a stupid bluff and then nail him when you have a made hand

2/19/2009 4:42:28 PM

how do you ever expect to win that hand by limp calling a raise oop? that is the complete opposite of optimal preflop play

2/19/2009 8:05:20 PM

But he was right damnit! Thats what counts! Results only!

2/19/2009 9:17:09 PM

Ok, ignore the fact that I was right. You guys know everything.

2/20/2009 9:13:36 AM

Quote :

"Ok, ignore the fact that I was right."

Where in any of this were you right about how you played the hand?

The only thing I see that was done right was betting that flop.

2/20/2009 10:36:48 AM

Quote :

"You're supposed to play the player and not the cards and I made the right play so yall can fuck off."

HU4rollzzzz plz?

2/20/2009 10:59:59 PM

Raising/folding your SB is generally optimal play when it's folded to you but mixing it up with a limp every now and then isn't the worst play ever. Then calling a minraise at that point is better than folding/reraising so wtf, make the best out of a bad situation.

Checkraising TPNK is kinda bad because you only get action from hands that have you beat or big draws. Leading is okay but the decision to call the overshove is marginal, it's all read dependent. It's possible that a guy playing J2o in this manner has done something earlier in the tournament($1 sng should also factor into your read) to lead us to believe we just induced a spew. I don't think I would have called but whatever, he was right and got fucked by runners.

I've seen much worse hands posted in here from a wtf is the hero thinking perspective.



[Edited on February 21, 2009 at 1:50 AM. Reason : .]

2/21/2009 1:50:14 AM

yall need to stop making decisions in a vacuum...that is all.. bye

i don't mind calling the minriaise once you called the big blind...you made a good call on the flop and got sucked out on.... it happens

[Edited on February 21, 2009 at 3:29 AM. Reason : aa]

2/21/2009 3:25:17 AM

I am so fucking pleased with the way I played this hand. FYI bigredAK is a pro.

Full Tilt Poker Game #10784781401: The Sunday Brawl (77352484), Table 90 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:37:07 ET - 2009/02/22
Seat 1: _Noooooo___oo (5,205)
Seat 2: iamthat (1,528)
Seat 3: _The_Ghost_XX (4,847)
Seat 4: russbuster (1,545)
Seat 5: jeff w d1 (1,495)
Seat 6: david0603 (2,790)
Seat 7: bigredAK (4,265)
Seat 8: Nuscas (6,685)
Seat 9: EasyBones06 (8,325)
_The_Ghost_XX posts the small blind of 25
russbuster posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david0603 [As Ah]
jeff w d1 folds
david0603 has 15 seconds left to act
david0603 raises to 125
bigredAK raises to 275
Nuscas folds
EasyBones06 folds
_Noooooo___oo folds
iamthat folds
_The_Ghost_XX folds
russbuster has 15 seconds left to act
russbuster folds
david0603 calls 150
*** FLOP *** [6s 3d 8c]
david0603 checks
bigredAK bets 425
david0603 has 15 seconds left to act
david0603 raises to 1,100
bigredAK has 15 seconds left to act
bigredAK raises to 3,990, and is all in
david0603 calls 1,415, and is all in
bigredAK shows [Kd Qd]
david0603 shows [As Ah]
Uncalled bet of 1,475 returned to bigredAK
*** TURN *** [6s 3d 8c] [8d]
*** RIVER *** [6s 3d 8c 8d] [5s]
bigredAK shows a pair of Eights
david0603 shows two pair, Aces and Eights
david0603 wins the pot (5,655) with two pair, Aces and Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,655 | Rake 0
Board: [6s 3d 8c 8d 5s]
Seat 1: _Noooooo___oo didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: iamthat (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: _The_Ghost_XX (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: russbuster (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: jeff w d1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: david0603 showed [As Ah] and won (5,655) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 7: bigredAK showed [Kd Qd] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 8: Nuscas didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: EasyBones06 didn't bet (folded)

2/22/2009 2:42:33 PM

i just feel like posting another bad beat (live game) so you guys will feel sorry for me.

so i play once or twice a year with some guys from work in their monthly game. its a tournament with a decent structure. i go to the game half for the cards and the other half to socialize with co workers.

were halfway through the tournament and i have about 6.5k in chips with the blinds at 400/800. it folds to me on the button and i have KK. bing. i raise to 2.1k and was planning on calling all in if one of the blinds shoved OR pushing all in on the flop. pretty standard.

the SB folds and the BB goes into the tank. he has 5.5 in chips and is still sitting contemplating. i get irritated because he is taking forever and tell him calling is the wrong move and to go ahead and push because i may fold. i think this made him just flat call. awesome.

i deal and bring a flop of 8d, 5d, and 10c. SB checks and i go all in. he instantly calls. i immediately put him on either 55 or 88. i was wrong....he flips Qd4d. i was like seriously? turn blank...river flush.

i went nuts here. i think i have the right to say something considering he called almost half his stack with qd4d. here was his logic: if i hit a queen im good or if i hit diamonds im good. if i miss the flop i fold.

this play makes no sense. he essentially is leaving it to chance to hit the flop and he doesnt even consider making a play. i know everyone says you want players to make this call, but it seems that every live tournament i have played in i get outed with some hand like this.

i second feeble minded's thoughts on having poker being one of the few things i get overly emotional about. no clue why either.

either way, i am hoping things turn around eventually.

again, gl to everyone still playing.

2/22/2009 10:16:08 PM

There are some people who will never ever fold a flush draw. They think they are making the right play, and the really sad thing is they don't even realize how stupid they are. Very sad.

2/22/2009 11:14:06 PM

pokerstars have a referal bonus? i am assuming so but cant find any details

2/23/2009 2:18:12 AM

Not sure if they do..

Anyone going to Vegas for spring break? I'll be at the MGM March 2nd-6th

2/23/2009 5:50:11 PM

this is pretty funny...


http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20090222182227485

2/25/2009 2:10:20 PM

^ i def LOLd

2/25/2009 5:29:30 PM

Love it, would watch again. A+ A+

2/25/2009 5:39:10 PM

on a live poker note, was at the venetian on Monday playing 1/2 and saw the great pearljammer playing in the megastack main event. not sure how he ended up doing but was pretty cool to watch him play live

2/25/2009 9:20:51 PM

hehe "great" pearljammer

2/26/2009 12:45:12 PM

Quote :

"this is pretty funny... http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20090222182227485"

LOL

2/26/2009 7:57:44 PM

hah, I just came here to post that link.. it's great

I sound like that pretty much always, the more poker you play the more jaded you get

2/28/2009 9:34:20 PM

Oh wait, I was going to post a different link:
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20090223064131495

They all sound like me as it turns out.. there's a whole bunch of these lol

2/28/2009 9:42:17 PM

Could I have been more obvious???

Full Tilt Poker Game #10907478949: The Sunday Brawl (80003459), Table 128 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 14:25:41 ET - 2009/03/01
Seat 1: Blivot (2,600)
Seat 2: TheTranceformer (2,091)
Seat 3: jantheJ6 (3,567)
Seat 4: esbz1111 (2,450)
Seat 5: nyquill71 (4,340)
Seat 6: Cayavajor (3,200)
Seat 7: nusser83 (2,831)
Seat 8: Mutha Flushaa (3,710)
Seat 9: david0603 (2,680)
nusser83 posts the small blind of 20
Mutha Flushaa posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david0603 [Kd Ks]
david0603 has 15 seconds left to act
david0603 calls 40
Blivot folds
TheTranceformer folds
jantheJ6 folds
esbz1111 has 15 seconds left to act
esbz1111 raises to 80
nyquill71 folds
Cayavajor folds
nusser83 has 15 seconds left to act
nusser83 folds
Mutha Flushaa has 15 seconds left to act
Mutha Flushaa folds
david0603 has 15 seconds left to act
david0603 raises to 250
esbz1111 calls 170
*** FLOP *** [3s 6c 5h]
david0603 has 15 seconds left to act
david0603 bets 400
esbz1111 has 15 seconds left to act
esbz1111 raises to 800
david0603 has 15 seconds left to act
david0603 has requested TIME
david0603 raises to 2,430, and is all in
esbz1111 calls 1,400, and is all in
david0603 shows [Kd Ks]
esbz1111 shows [7s 7h]
Uncalled bet of 230 returned to david0603
*** TURN *** [3s 6c 5h] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [3s 6c 5h 3c] [3d]
david0603 shows a full house, Threes full of Kings
esbz1111 shows a full house, Threes full of Sevens
david0603 wins the pot (4,960) with a full house, Threes full of Kings
esbz1111 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,960 | Rake 0
Board: [3s 6c 5h 3c 3d]
Seat 1: Blivot didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: TheTranceformer didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: jantheJ6 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: esbz1111 showed [7s 7h] and lost with a full house, Threes full of Sevens
Seat 5: nyquill71 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Cayavajor (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: nusser83 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Mutha Flushaa (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: david0603 showed [Kd Ks] and won (4,960) with a full house, Threes full of Kings

3/1/2009 2:35:23 PM

^clearly you were just trying to steal the pot with AK

3/1/2009 3:57:46 PM

got a royal flush today playing world tavern.

yeap.

3/1/2009 4:07:02 PM

Just noticed u were super deep in the full tilt 750k David.

GLGLGLGL

3/2/2009 1:09:29 AM

ty, what is your name again?

3/2/2009 1:13:49 AM

slowcheetah1

i'm just watching...would be a nice paydayyy

3/2/2009 1:19:03 AM

Oh yeah. I saw your post a while back. Can't keep track of tww names and poker names.

3/2/2009 1:29:07 AM

Ah well. At least I didn't bad beat out.

3/2/2009 2:06:03 AM

Yeh

gg man

3/2/2009 2:06:27 AM

thx gnite

3/2/2009 2:11:33 AM

someone from raleigh won the sunday million on stars this week
anybody here know about it?

3/3/2009 12:24:31 AM

someone wanna post the '09 wsop schedule, can't access the links at work.

3/3/2009 8:34:00 PM

almost took down a nice little $3 + $.30 MTT on FT...

I would've had a good shot if it weren't for this crap...

Full Tilt Poker Game #11008887765: $3 + $0.30 Knockout (82697297), Table 37 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:07:12 ET - 2009/03/07
Seat 1: RoroLeskro78 (485,728)
Seat 2: NiceCallPre (130,464)
Seat 3: AxmanAX (167,954)
Seat 5: aaron314159 (141,517)
Seat 6: nikedunklowpro (171,221)
Seat 7: -theQfamily (61,116)
RoroLeskro78 antes 1,000
NiceCallPre antes 1,000
AxmanAX antes 1,000
aaron314159 antes 1,000
nikedunklowpro antes 1,000
-theQfamily antes 1,000
aaron314159 posts the small blind of 5,000
nikedunklowpro posts the big blind of 10,000
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nikedunklowpro [Ac Ks]
-theQfamily raises to 60,116, and is all in
RoroLeskro78 folds
NiceCallPre folds
AxmanAX folds
aaron314159 folds
nikedunklowpro calls 50,116
-theQfamily shows [9d 7c]
nikedunklowpro shows [Ac Ks]
*** FLOP *** [9s 4s 3c]
*** TURN *** [9s 4s 3c] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [9s 4s 3c 6h] [3s]
-theQfamily shows two pair, Nines and Threes
nikedunklowpro shows a pair of Threes
-theQfamily wins the pot (131,232) with two pair, Nines and Threes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 131,232 | Rake 0
Board: [9s 4s 3c 6h 3s]
Seat 1: RoroLeskro78 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: NiceCallPre folded before the Flop
Seat 3: AxmanAX (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: aaron314159 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: nikedunklowpro (big blind) showed [Ac Ks] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 7: -theQfamily showed [9d 7c] and won (131,232) with two pair, Nines and Threes

same guy hit a boat and took me out a few hands later...

Full Tilt Poker Game #11008924006: $3 + $0.30 Knockout (82697297), Table 37 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 5:12:25 ET - 2009/03/07
Seat 1: RoroLeskro78 (786,199)
Seat 2: NiceCallPre (168,464)
Seat 6: nikedunklowpro (91,105)
Seat 7: -theQfamily (112,232)
RoroLeskro78 antes 1,000
NiceCallPre antes 1,000
nikedunklowpro antes 1,000
-theQfamily antes 1,000
nikedunklowpro posts the small blind of 5,000
-theQfamily posts the big blind of 10,000
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nikedunklowpro [Ac 3s]
RoroLeskro78 folds
NiceCallPre folds
nikedunklowpro raises to 90,105, and is all in
-theQfamily calls 80,105
nikedunklowpro shows [Ac 3s]
-theQfamily shows [Td Ks]
*** FLOP *** [Kc Th Qc]
*** TURN *** [Kc Th Qc] [Ts]
*** RIVER *** [Kc Th Qc Ts] [5d]
nikedunklowpro shows a pair of Tens
-theQfamily shows a full house, Tens full of Kings
-theQfamily wins the pot (184,210) with a full house, Tens full of Kings
nikedunklowpro stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 184,210 | Rake 0
Board: [Kc Th Qc Ts 5d]
Seat 1: RoroLeskro78 folded before the Flop
Seat 2: NiceCallPre (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: nikedunklowpro (small blind) showed [Ac 3s] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 7: -theQfamily (big blind) showed [Td Ks] and won (184,210) with a full house, Tens full of Kings

ended up taking 4th out of 772 for $165, not bad for my small stakes bankroll

3/7/2009 5:26:04 AM

^ i'm not thrilled about the shove w A3...
usually you are only getting called with hands that dominate you (bigger A's and pocket pairs)

3/8/2009 11:34:32 AM

^figured I had good fold equity and most likely the best hand, plus blinds were getting outrageous and I had less than 10 BB's left

I mean do you really fold there??? I routinely watch some of the best online players in the world shove with far less quality hands in that position

3/8/2009 3:39:35 PM

That's an insta shove scenario right there. You played it correctly.

3/8/2009 8:08:17 PM

Been a while...

PokerStars Game #25754972167: Tournament #144057038, $200+$15 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2009/03/08 19:53:23 ET
Table '144057038 7' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: westmenloAA (2710 in chips)
Seat 2: tdrot (4340 in chips)
Seat 3: david0603 (2720 in chips)
Seat 4: Bassysaffari (2905 in chips)
Seat 5: tamyoh (4980 in chips)
Seat 7: correlli (2655 in chips)
Seat 8: DaleDenton5 (3000 in chips)
Seat 9: iMsoLucky0 (3690 in chips)
westmenloAA: posts small blind 15
tdrot: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to david0603 [Ah Qh]
david0603: raises 45 to 75
Bassysaffari: folds
tamyoh: calls 75
correlli: folds
DaleDenton5: folds
iMsoLucky0: folds
westmenloAA: folds
tdrot: folds
*** FLOP *** [Td 7c Th]
david0603: checks
tamyoh: checks
*** TURN *** [Td 7c Th] [Kh]
david0603: checks
tamyoh: checks
*** RIVER *** [Td 7c Th Kh] [Jh]
david0603: bets 90
tamyoh: calls 90
*** SHOW DOWN ***
david0603: shows [Ah Qh] (a Royal Flush)
tamyoh: mucks hand
david0603 collected 375 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 375 | Rake 0
Board [Td 7c Th Kh Jh]
Seat 1: westmenloAA (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: tdrot (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: david0603 showed [Ah Qh] and won (375) with a Royal Flush
Seat 4: Bassysaffari folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tamyoh mucked [Qs Js]
Seat 7: correlli folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DaleDenton5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: iMsoLucky0 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

3/8/2009 8:09:29 PM

Your table in the 2nd chance is sooo sick David....3 of the best players in the world....glgl

3/8/2009 8:20:26 PM

Thx. Who are they?

3/8/2009 8:56:22 PM

It was ryanbluf, imsolucky0 (Jordan Morgan), and westmenloAA (Issac Baron)

http://www.pokerpages.com/players/profiles/68057/jordan-morgan.htm
http://www.pokerpages.com/players/profiles/70563/isaac-baron.htm
http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/ryanbluf

3/8/2009 11:26:48 PM

what are the odds of running into AA when you have KK? this doesn't seem like it should be very common, but I've had this happen twice in the last 3 hours of playing. It's going to end up costing me another new screen if it happens again. FUCK.

3/9/2009 11:53:54 PM

Well the odds of getting KK is 1/220, and thus the odds of your opponent getting KK is only slightly lower, about 1/204. Obviously if you were heads up, the odds would be a simple multiplication of (1/220)*(1/204)= about 1/45,000.

The odds obviously go up as the number of people in the hands increases. i could have done this problem 3 years ago. But now I can't.

3/10/2009 3:14:45 AM