pretty correct play. I'm assuming this was a MTT so you were probably in the money. You need to make a move being the short stack and you can't wait for rockets. You cannot call in this position, its too weak of a play. You either need to fold or raise allin.

^speaks the truth

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 11:17 AM. Reason : .]

5/19/2005 11:16:09 AM

^^ Good advice, and pretty much what was going through my head. There were two aggressive players on my immediate left, but no one I feared. The chip leader was also timid, which was how I took his stack later on.

As for my situation, the blinds were 500/1000, and on the previous hand I'd won the blinds moving all-in with 4s, admittedly another risky maneuver. Basically by playing aggressively I was beating the two players on my left into the pot, taking away the option to raise with marginal cards. I'd played tight the whole game, playing maybe 4 hands in an hour, so I was getting table respect as well.

In retrospect it was probably the wrong call since, at best, I would be called by the original bettor and face a coin flip (there was no way I saw her laying it down). At worst one or more players join in, as happened, and I'd be facing 3-4 overcards or a better pocket pair, as happened. It was one of those occasions where I wanted to be aggressive, and let that desire trump better judgment. I figured I needed to get lucky to keep playing, and that's exactly what happened...

Had the competition been better, I'd like to think most good players would see the UTG bet 3x the blinds, have someone go all-in overtop, and lay down anything short of a top 5 hand. Would any of you consider calling with pocket 8s and the dealer did? I know I wouldn't have....

[Edited on May 19, 2005 at 6:05 PM. Reason : presto!]

5/19/2005 6:02:34 PM

when it gets down to 3 and im the short stack im unstoppable

yo

5/19/2005 6:15:39 PM

Quick poll for those of you who play regularly online:

What game/site/buy-in seems to be the most profitable to you, and how stable are your earnings (i.e. does your win/loss total fluctuate a lot)? Just looking to maximize winnings, FYI I'm a typical tight aggressive player.

Currently I favor sit-n-go tournaments, but for low buy-ins since my bankroll is limited. So far I've had success, averaging slightly better than 3rd place in 10 tournaments. Anyone played in more expensive tournaments, especially on PartyPoker? Just wondering how good the competition is at higher levels...

5/20/2005 2:39:06 PM

Was playing at the Blue Martini Lounge. Was doing fairly decent, chip leader off and on. Last hand that knocked me was most memorable to me. I had A 10 of spades and flopped an Ace and a flush draw. I decided I needed to get in a more commanding postition so I decided to push my betting. Making it obvious that I had an Ace I put out a hefy amount of chips. The girl in front of me immediately called. Apparently she was "trying to leave". I continued to bet deep into the pot. Runner runner 3's come on the board giving me two pair. Without stopping to consider I put all of my chips in. I am immediately called and I find that she has K3 off suit. Needless to say I was very annoyed but next time, when someone says they are ready to leave, I'll just make sure to help them do so early on.

5/20/2005 2:57:53 PM

***** Hand History for Game 2079768569 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:12383401 Level:2 Blinds (10/20) - Saturday, May 21, 00:10:31 EDT 2005
Table $250 Players Club Freeroll(339614) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ysutwo ( $1400 )
Seat 2: S_Mska923 ( $847 )
Seat 4: Cmansky ( $3180 )
Seat 5: TERRYWAYNE1 ( $885 )
Seat 8: just_me645 ( $1810 )
Seat 9: jackleg512 ( $640 )
Seat 10: baby65face ( $2170 )
Seat 7: jimsu9 ( $153 )
Seat 6: bigjuicy1 ( $965 )
Seat 3: johnniemac69 ( $1215 )
Trny:12383401 Level:2
Blinds (10/20)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jackleg512 [ Ah 7d ]
TERRYWAYNE1 folds.
bigjuicy1 folds.
jimsu9 folds.
just_me645 calls [20].
jackleg512 calls [20].
baby65face raises [40].
ysutwo calls [40].
S_Mska923 calls [40].
johnniemac69 folds.
Cmansky folds.
just_me645 calls [20].
jackleg512 is all-In [620]
baby65face calls [600].
ysutwo folds.
S_Mska923 folds.
just_me645 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 4d, 4s ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7c ]
baby65face shows [ Qc, As ] three of a kind, fours.
jackleg512 shows [ Ah, 7d ] a full house, Fours full of sevens.
jackleg512 wins 1430 chips from the main pot with a full house, Fours full of sevens.

HA HA HA I LOVE FREEROLLS

and luck

5/20/2005 9:12:59 PM

OK, here's one for you.

10 person sit and go. You're in the big blind on the first hand of the game. You get dealt KK. There's a raiser UTG, followed by a reraise, followed by an all-in. After this, 2 people call this all-in before the bet even gets to you. What do you do? Three all-ins in front of you with 2 people still left to act.

Would you make the same play if you had AA in the same position?

This happened to me last night (the KK scenario). I knew I had the best preflop hand (or I was pretty damn sure of it). But the fact is, with at least 3 callers, you're not the favorite to win, at least not by much. I folded, and the initial reraiser ended up calling. The cards were flipped and here's what people had: AJ suited, QQ, 77, and J4 offsuit. So I would have been less than a 40% favorite to win the hand.

As it turned out, the guy with 77 ended up hitting a set on the river to win the hand. Even if KK would have been the winner here, I still stand by my fold. I would have folded AA too. There are too many stupid people who just want to push all-in at the beginning of a tournament, but their stupidity stacks the odds against you. I knew that if I folded, the table would be down to 7 people after the first hand, which is 4 out of the money. I also knew that anyone dumb enough to call those all-ins was probably a shitty player, and although they would start the tournament with 4000 in chips compared to my 1000, I could take them from them.

In the end, the guy who won that hand placed 5th, not even in the money. I ended up second (I lost my internet connection in the final 2, but was a 8000-2000 underdog, so I probably would have lost anyways.) How would you guys have played the hand? That's the first time I have ever layed down KK preflop, but I feel pretty good about it.

5/21/2005 9:07:50 AM

i always fold the first hand in sit and gos unless i am last in turn

at least half the time theres some dumbshit that goes all in, and someone else will call. not worth the risk, i'd rather see a couple people get knocked out than double up at the beginning.

5/21/2005 11:29:29 AM

I don't know why the hand histories are so fucked up with this site, but anyways:


*** Export for: JTstat Game: Texas Holdem Game number: 359296184 ***
Date: 5/23/2005 1:16:00 AM
Game: 359296184: Table: Multi Table 2
Multiple Table Tournament No Limit 0.50/1.00
Rake: 0.00
Seat: 6 JTstat (Dealer)
Seat: 7 camp43

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OpeningBetRound
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camp43 : Posts small blind 1500.00
JTstat : Posts big blind 3000.00
camp43 : Raises for 9000.00
JTstat : Raises for 30000.00
camp43 : Calls for 22500.00
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Flop
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camp43 : Checks
JTstat : Went all-in 44108.50
camp43 : Calls for 44108.50
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Turn
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River
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Showdown
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JTstat [ KH, KC, JC, JH, QS - Two Pair ]
camp43 [ 3C, 3S, 3D, JC, JH - Fullhouse ]

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Result
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camp43 Showed Cards (Winning) 154217.00
JTstat Showed Cards

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Community Cards
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[ JC, 8H, 3C, QS, JH ]

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Players Cards
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camp43 [ 3S, 3D ]
JTstat [ KH, KC ]

********************************************************






This was the final hand of a WSOP satellite on Poker Rewards. There was 180k total in tournament chips, meaning if I had won this hand I would have about 155k of them. First prize was a WSOP package valued at $13,000 which included airfare/hotel/spending money in addition to the $10,000 buy-in for the main event.


I'm very sad right now and I need a drink



[Edited on May 22, 2005 at 10:03 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2005 9:58:09 PM

so i am playing a friendly game of poker w/ the boys. i'm doing pretty good for the night, $5 buy in i have about $7 prolly the 2nd largest pot (one guy is completly tearing it up w/ a huge pot). the cards are dealt i receive Ace King suited heart. i decide to test the waters and strain out some compettition by raising the blinds a quarter. sure enough the guy after w/ only $3.35 goes ALL in. I've played poker w/ this guy before and know he occasionally does this to steal the blinds or intimidate players.

So i figure what the hell it will give me the money i need to strong hand the other guys and catch up to the current leader. statisically only pocket A's, K's, and Q's are better. With me having a Ace and king i figure the odds are against. i call. we flip cards he has Jack/Ten off suited. things are looking up. On the flop their is 9,7,Q. so i am gettin a little nervous but not much about a potential straight. on the turn a 2. sure enought on teh river he gets his 8 . i lose

[Edited on May 23, 2005 at 12:11 AM. Reason : a]

5/23/2005 12:11:17 AM

^ Been there, it sucks. Sunday I was badly beaten when a dude with middle pair caught a runner runner flush on my 2-pair. I remember looking at the board and thinking "there's no way he stayed in with THAT," but alas. I got smoked in 4 straight sit-n-go's, but in 3 of them I took beats that were, for a lack of a better term, fucking awful....

I got some revenge last night sitting down at a 0.5/1 table and caught a full house on my very first hand. Doubled up and gave my bankroll some breathing room...

5/23/2005 8:27:43 AM

Felt horrible about this bad beat. I knew I should have gotten out of the hand, but frankly, I didnt want the big stack to thing he could bully me around and my stack was shrinking when he raised on my big blind...


Everyone has posted blinds and it comes to the new guy from some other table. He is obviously the chip leader and has sat out of a good number of hands. He raises $3000 and everyone immediately fold until its just him and I. I look down at a 8-6 offsuit. Normally I wouldnt play these unless they were suited. I could actually afford to call and needed to get some more chips so I'm like "Okay, lests go heads up". Flop comes out X-8-X. I check, he bets, I call. 4th street comes. I check, he bets big and I'm considering folding but I've put enough in the pot to convince me to stay. The river is a 6 giving me 2 pair. He bets and I call. Big stack turns over AA but I reluctanly show my 2 pair. I knew it was a bad beat, and I was thinking I had lost some respect seeing that I made such a terrible play despite winning the hand. Needless to say I recieved a bad beat of my own later that night so maybe it was a way of setting things straight.

5/24/2005 2:19:41 PM

hahaha its poker

dont bet em if you dont wanna risk losing them. kinda like this lovely all-in push by me

Quote :

"jackleg512 shows [ Jd, Jh ] two pairs, jacks and fives. xosamsamox shows [ Qh, Qc ] two pairs, queens and fives. mash00 shows [ Ah, As ] two pairs, aces and fives."

5/24/2005 4:22:51 PM

I couldn't get the hand summary to copy and paste. Today was my first cash experience online. I am still playing the table ... Sit & Go 5+1. I'm not going to get involved for big moeny. Anyhow ... isn't it pretty?

5/24/2005 4:29:37 PM

thats what i always play. 5+1 and 10+1 or whatever. they're pretty easy

i downloaded some program that goes through the hand histories and my average ROI is like 233%

i havent played much lately, i might tonight

5/24/2005 4:45:02 PM

Quote :

"So I would have been less than a 40% favorite to win the hand."

How so?

5/25/2005 1:41:28 AM

Noid: that is the absolutely correct play in the situation. Pot odds dictate in a non-tourney game you should of course match them, but in tourney play the goal is to win not get a big stack right away.

5/25/2005 2:26:22 AM

what does that mean? you realize that was the last hand of the tourney right?


I think he played the hand shitty. I had 77k in front of me and I had reraised him to 33k preflop. Calling with 33 is the worst option there, he needed to either fold or push in that situation. He was first to act, so both check-folding and check-calling if he'd missed his set are very weak plays when I push in. Maybe he was planning on imediately putting me all in if he had missed, but I only had 44k left and there was 66k in the pot so that isn't a very good play. His call with the 3's would have put him in one of those terrible situations 7 times out of 8, flopping a set was the only way for him to avoid a really tough decision.

Of course I still would have lost the seat if he'd pushed, and I may have ended up losing it anyways if he folded

5/25/2005 8:48:46 AM

I played at Jax last night and was just totally stunned with some cocky s.o.b. reraised me all-in from a middle position. I had pocket aces, he had Jc3c. Futhermore, I was again stunned when he flopped a flush.

5/25/2005 10:53:13 AM

sorry noid, i was replying to your KK in the first hand of the sng

5/25/2005 12:27:11 PM

That was FeebleMinded's KK

my KK got busted in heads up for a WSOP seat

5/25/2005 1:03:02 PM

whoops. yours sucks ass though.

5/25/2005 1:07:43 PM

jesus tittyfucking christ that hand is haunting me

KK vs 33 again..

***** Hand History for Game 2112369115 *****
0/0 TexasHTGameTable (NL) - Fri May 27 02:09:51 EDT 2005
Table Table 36575 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: yuyuoppa72 ( $97.1)
Seat 2: slippyJ81 ( $115.2)
Seat 3: ramlopez10 ( $54.77)
Seat 4: gypson ( $98.16)
Seat 5: AA_Asassin ( $161.65)
Seat 7: luckygreen42 ( $103.24)
Seat 8: NMDynasty ( $102.75)
Seat 9: BlackJack533 ( $135.85)
Seat 10: Pokerface787 ( $16)
BlackJack533 posts small blind (0.5)
Pokerface787 is sitting out.
yuyuoppa72 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to slippyJ81 [ Kc, Kh ]
slippyJ81 calls (1)
ramlopez10 folds.
gypson folds.
AA_Asassin folds.
luckygreen42 folds.
NMDynasty folds.
BlackJack533 calls (0.5)
yuyuoppa72 raises (2) to 3
slippyJ81 raises (9) to 10
BlackJack533 folds.
yuyuoppa72 calls (7)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kd, 3h, 3c ]
yuyuoppa72 checks.
slippyJ81 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6s ]
yuyuoppa72 checks.
slippyJ81 bets (1)
yuyuoppa72 raises (2) to 2
slippyJ81 calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 8h ]
yuyuoppa72 bets (15)
slippyJ81 raises (30) to 30
yuyuoppa72 raises (70.1) to 85.1
yuyuoppa72 is all-In.
slippyJ81 calls (55.1)
Creating Main Pot with $192.2 with yuyuoppa72
** Summary **
Main Pot: $192.2 | | Rake: $3
Board: [ Kd 3h 3c 6s 8h ]
yuyuoppa72 balance $192.2, bet $97.1, collected $192.2, net +$95.1 [ 3s 3d ] [ four of a kind, threes -- Kd,3s,3d,3h,3c ]
slippyJ81 balance $18.1, lost $97.1 [ Kc Kh ] [ a full house, Kings full of threes -- Kc,Kh,Kd,3h,3c ]
ramlopez10 balance $54.77, didn't bet (folded)
gypson balance $98.16, didn't bet (folded)
AA_Asassin balance $161.65, didn't bet (folded)
luckygreen42 balance $103.24, didn't bet (folded)
NMDynasty balance $102.75, didn't bet (folded)
BlackJack533 balance $134.85, lost $1 (folded)
Discodin0 balance $40, sits out


what a week

5/27/2005 3:14:50 AM

^FUCKING OUCH...

ohh, and i have lost my game. so if anyone finds an above average poker game just laying around, it is mine, please return it.

5/27/2005 8:36:59 AM

^^Thats why I think online is rigged sometimes. There is no way in hell either of you is not going all in. So they make a good rake. And the odds of one person flopping a boat to anothers 4 of a kind have got to be so huge I dont even think someone can calculate them.

5/28/2005 1:22:47 AM

and yet it still happens sometimes.

5/28/2005 1:26:01 AM

My 1st royal in hold'em. I've done it a few times in Omaha.... of course it's in a tourney so i get nothing extra for it.

Seat 2: Izaking ($5,870 in chips)
Seat 3: scnwkwsd ($1,855 in chips)
Seat 5: DrOldSchool [QD,10D] ($5,915 in chips)
Seat 6: jamesonkryan ($1,360 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
jamesonkryan posts blind ($50), Izaking posts blind ($100).

PRE-FLOP
scnwkwsd calls $100, DrOldSchool calls $100, jamesonkryan folds, Izaking checks.

FLOP [board cards 8S,9S,KD ]
Izaking checks, scnwkwsd checks, DrOldSchool bets $100, Izaking calls $100, scnwkwsd calls $100.

TURN [board cards 8S,9S,KD,AD ]
Izaking checks, scnwkwsd bets $200, DrOldSchool calls $200, Izaking folds.

RIVER [board cards 8S,9S,KD,AD,JD ]
scnwkwsd bets $200, DrOldSchool bets $500, scnwkwsd calls $300.

SHOWDOWN
DrOldSchool shows [ QD,10D ]
scnwkwsd mucks cards [ 5S,AS ]
DrOldSchool wins $2,050.
SUMMARY
Dealer: DrOldSchool
Pot: $2,050
Izaking, loses $200
scnwkwsd, loses $900
DrOldSchool, bets $900, collects $2,050, net $1,150
jamesonkryan, loses $50

5/30/2005 1:41:56 AM

So yesterday was a good day for me. 1st Royal, and I was on the happy end of this awful AWFUL beat. I didn't get the hand # since I was in shock, but I was in an online multi-table $5+0.50 touney on pokerroom. We were at the "bubble" with about 30-35 people left and top 20 pay. 1k/2k blinds...

I was big blind with 7 3 unsuited with about 33k
UTG has about 27k limps, rest of the table folds to me, I check

Flop: rainbow 10 3 7, I check
UTG bets 2k
I raise to 4500
he reraises to 9k
I call... At this point I put him on A 10, a decent hand to limp/reraise with

Turn: 3
I check
He goes all-in for about 18k, I call

He shows: AA to my 3s over 7s boat, and proceeds to go off in an expletive tirade for me misplaying the hand, and how I should've never been involved, even though he limped in!

River was a 6 and I move into the chip lead, though I only finish 5th and make $90... but still, that was just not the way to fish with Ace's. Even a small raise and he'd have had the blinds. I just got lucky as hell.

5/30/2005 3:00:06 PM

i wouldn't call that an awful awful beat. if someone with AA UTG doesn't raise, they're asking for trouble. He let the blinds play for cheap, and could have easily had 4-5 callers.

A flop like 10, 3, 7 is dangerous to pocket aces against the blinds. So when you check-raised, he should have thought about putting you on two-pair. His re-raise was pointless.

His all-in on the turn was just plain reckless, especially since there was no flush draw to put you on and try to raise you out of chasing.

I've never felt sorry for anyone who lost with AA's that played them like shit. If you are too stubborn to fold pocket aces on what is clearly a good flop for the big blind, you deserve what is coming to you.

5/30/2005 4:45:10 PM

I sometimes slow play aces, for two reasons.

The first is, nobody will ever put you on them. If you flop AK4 and check it, maybe someone caught a K. And when the turn is a K, that guy is not laying his K down. I made a shit ton of money off of that one time. I slow play AA, flop was AK4. The turn was a K, and the river was another 4. I got 2 callers to my all-in. Of course it won't always work out that way.... hell, it usually doesn't, so I am always prepared to fold them if I don't like the flop.

The other reason is I don't like getting committed to any preflop hand in a cash game. If I raise with AA preflop, and the flop is 569, and then I raise after the flop and someone reraises, now I'm in a pickle. They could have a set, 2 pair, or even worse, flopped a straight. But they could be playing A9, or 1010, or even be on a big bluff. I don't like being bitched out of hands like AA after I have committed a lot of $ to the pot and there is no "super obvious" hands that beat me. I want either no caller or a pre-flop all-in when I have AA, nothing else.

So that's why I slow play AA sometimes, because in short, I don't mind folding them. My favorite players are the guys who either call or raise from .50 to 1.00 with AA and then refuse to fold it after the flop. Those are my kind of people.

5/30/2005 7:56:58 PM

Worst beat in a while. These sting:

Game #846477264 - (blinds $0.25/$0.50) No Limit Texas Hold'em -
2005/05/30-18:34:00.2 (CST)
Table "Varca (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: 8IIIIIIID ($41.00 in chips)
Seat 2: btonkin1 ($44.50 in chips)
Seat 3: VinceNeill ($108.00 in chips)
Seat 4: JennyB2004 ($89.75 in chips)
Seat 5: BISKIE ($23.25 in chips)
VinceNeill: Post Small Blind ($0.25)
JennyB2004: Post Big Blind ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ 3h ]
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ Qs ]
btonkin1 said, "8 X the bb"
btonkin1 said, "nice"
BISKIE : Call ($0.50)
8IIIIIIID: Fold
btonkin1: Fold
VinceNeill: Call ($0.25)
JennyB2004: Check
*** FLOP *** : [ Qh 6d 3c ]
VinceNeill: Check
JennyB2004: Check
BISKIE : Bet ($1.50)
VinceNeill: Fold
JennyB2004: Raise ($3)
BISKIE : Call ($1.50)
*** TURN *** : [ Qh 6d 3c ] [ Jh ]
JennyB2004: Bet ($7.50)
BISKIE : Call ($7.50)
*** RIVER *** : [ Qh 6d 3c Jh ] [ Td ]
JennyB2004: Bet ($7)
BISKIE : Raise All-in ($12.25)
JennyB2004: Call ($5.25)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $45 | Rake: $2
Board: [ Qh 6d 3c Jh Td ]
8IIIIIIID didn't bet (folded)
btonkin1 didn't bet (folded)
VinceNeill lost $0.50 (folded)
JennyB2004 lost $23.25 (showed hand) [ 3h Qs ] (two pair, queens and threes)
BISKIE bet $23.25, collected $45, net +$21.75 (showed hand) [ Ac Ks ] (a
straight, ten to ace)

I am not dissatisfied with the way I played the hand at all. I could have reraised more, but the fact is, I want the guy with AK who limps in to call me. I'm sure he thought of an A or K as his out, but in all truth, he needed runner runner. Oh well, that's poker.

5/30/2005 8:52:41 PM

^^ I never slow-play aces... but as it is known, I'll raise with anything, so my aces raise may be the same as my 72 off raise. The only reason i can see him limping there was the timing of the hand, and how tight people were playing not wanted to bust out. He must've hoped as UTG that anyone else had a hand that would raise pre-flop and trap them, but that wasn't the case. I agree his reraise made no sense, and the all-in was horribly reckless, as I have no idea what he thought I had. I didn't even need the 7, the 3 was enough.

The funniest was to see him tilt after I called his all-in, like I'm supposed to lay down my boat. It's hilarious to me to watch people cuss me out in chat windows for beating them, even when i have far superior hands.

5/30/2005 11:10:28 PM

This site doesn't write up nice summaries.

I raised pre-flop to 9.

After the flop, the guy with ace-jack went all in. I thought awhile then called. I knew he was trying to buy it. Stupid back door flushes

5/30/2005 11:52:07 PM

I've started playing weekly with my friend Adam, and these 4 girls he works with. And I can't figure out a good style to play them. The last 2 times we've played tourney style, and I've busted out first both times. The problem is I never can put them on a hand, since they aren't experienced players, so when I flop top two and I think its good, one of them has trip kings or something. I've tried varying my play and I can't find anything that works. The only thing I can think of is that we play real low stakes (like 5 bucks) and I just don't care if I lose. Any advice on playing against all fish?

5/30/2005 11:54:18 PM

if you're playing against people who are playing anything there isn't much you can do

you just gotta get the cards to beat em when it comes to a showdown

5/31/2005 12:20:18 AM

Online play is REALLY getting on my fucking nerves. The past 2 days, I have gone all in preflop 13 times. 11 of those I had the best hand preflop and I have won only 2 of them. The best bad beats were my AK that I reraised $30 more in a cash game with about $40 already out there, and some fucker called with AQ and hit 4 to the flush on the board to beat me. The next was in a cash game, I reraise his $5 another $40 or so with my KK with around $20 already out there. He has KJ calls my all in and catches a J on the flop and another on the river to trip up on me. I went all in with 10 10 three times to lose to QJ twice and KQ. Now I wouldn't be too pissed if those hands had hit a higher pair on me, but all three ended up getting a straight to beat me. Those odds are just silly. The other hands consisted of me having nines in the pocket or another mid pair vs a higher pair, and them hitting their higher pair. The 2 times I did win, I had pocket sixes, and made quad sixes to someones trips, and had AA vs A10. Other than that its been total bullshit. These hands all in total have prolly cost me around $200. If I had won just half of them, I would be up around $300 or so. So thats around a $500 swing. I have gotten to the point, I almost will not go all in preflop. It seems the worse hand usually wins. I figure in times its gonna even out, but its been going on for awhile now. I don't know if its just Absolute Poker or what. But I think I am gonna switch to Ultimate Bet and see how that goes.

And the bullshit continues. Just got knocked out of a $20 single table tourney. I limped in with 57os. Flop came 346. So I flopped the nuts. I raise, get reraised, so I go all in. Trip fours called me, which was a good call on their part, but as usual.....the river comes a 6, giving them a full house. I honestly do not know what else I can do other than get all my money into the middle with the best hand possible. I am not mad at myself for making bad moves, if I was trying to bluff alot and kept getting called, it would be different. But I have gotten my money into the middle with the best hand 14 times now and have only won twice. The odds of only winning twice havr just got to be fucking ridiculous too.

[Edited on June 1, 2005 at 1:04 AM. Reason : .]

6/1/2005 12:41:09 AM

dude you can't bitch too much when you're going all-in preflop

its pretty much a crapshoot

no matter how big of a dog they are to start off with, they'll never have a 0% chance

6/1/2005 1:15:25 AM

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"dude you can't bitch too much when you're going all-in preflop its pretty much a crapshoot"

No, its not a crapshoot. And yes I know they are never 0%, But KK vs KJ isnt really even a contest. KK is gonna win like 90% of the time if not more. AK vs AQ is about the same way, a little better though, maybe 15% at best. And if he had hit his queens, I really wouldnt be as mad, but 4 to the flush come out, giving him his A high heart flush. The races where I had an under pair to a higher pair, I can stand getting beat on a few of them, but not all. And the flopped nut straight vs trips and them hitting the boat is just fucking bullshit. Like I said, each individual beat isnt that bad, but if you look at ALL the bad beats over the past 2 days, its really total bullshit.

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6/1/2005 1:26:10 AM

yeah it does suck to hit a bunch of 'bad' beats like that

and hitting four to the flush is bullshit

better luck next time d00d

6/1/2005 2:12:59 AM

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"better luck next time d00d "

Thats what I have been telling myself for the past 2 weeks or so. And $300 later my ears will no longer listen. I just went all in with KK.....I raised $1 preflop, got reraised $4 with his J10. I go all in $35 more. He calls and flops 2 pair. I swear to god I would not believe this shit if I were not seeing it with my own eyes. I have been downgraded to a $1 single table tourney. After I lose this one, I am off this site for good.

6/1/2005 2:52:18 AM

what site are you playing

6/1/2005 3:14:31 AM

Like I have told others in the past, don't go all-in preflop unless you have AA or KK... it's just really not worth it. If you're going all-in with 66, then you can almost be sure you are either a huge dog, or maybe a coinflip if all they have is overs. The same can be said of even J's. And as for AK, I will almost always throw that shit away to a big reraise. And btw, AK vs AQ is about 75-25.

6/1/2005 8:19:56 AM

yea mac, not sure how that dude pushed in 35 with j10 haha, can't even imagine that actually....that's pretty bad

6/1/2005 8:49:25 AM

Yeah......i didn't go all in preflop with my Jacks. I went all in AFTER the flop and the beats still come.

I tend not to go all in preflop. People are calling machines online.

6/1/2005 11:53:53 AM

Mac,

What was your table image like? Had you bluffed recently so that the JT holder may have put you on another?

At low limits and online, getting called is much more common. The $35 just doesn't weigh compared to : (1) the hope to pull off the great hand or (2) the "nobodies gonna bluff me" syndrome.

Was the JT suited? If so, that hand has a not bad expected value (0.15) comparable with KQo. If he put you on a face-card pair or AK then he was certainly betting against the odds, but perhaps he put you on a loose all-in and had a not too bad hand.

My most recent bad beat? AA pocket in limit. raised preflop; called by several. Flop was T-9-x mixed suits. Eventually was beaten by opponent who held T9o.

6/1/2005 12:40:26 PM

It happens Amelia.

I am the worst person in the world when it comes to online tilt. If I take a couple bad beats in a row, I HAVE to stop playing or I will throw away hundreds of dollars out of sheer anger. I wish I could prevent it, but I just loathe having some idiot win a hand that I played him like a fool on and he hits his one out on the river. I would rather take $500 out of the bank and flush it down the toilet than have some dipshit that has no conception of how to play cards win $100 from me. You can always say "He will lose ity eventually", but the fact is, unless I am either the one taking it back or I get to see him lose it, then that just isn't good enough for me.

I totally realize that the very reason I make money online is due to these morons. I mean seriously, I paid for a really nice week long vacation with only online poker winnings, and it was awesome. but for some reason, I just can't justify to myself how stupid players should ever win a hand. [/rant]

And Mac, come on.... you've played some ridiculous shit in the past... need I remind you??

Gotta love it when you sit down at the 10/20 table, and this happens....

###############################################
Stage #88730728: Holdem (1 on 1) Normal $10/$20 [2005-02-23 01:17:43]
Seat 4 - UMICHIGANLAW $200 in chips
Seat 6 - VENOMPSYCHO $100 in chips
*** BLIND [dealer 6] ***
UMICHIGANLAW - Post small blind $2
VENOMPSYCHO - Post big blind $5
VENOMPSYCHO - Pocket [2s,8d]
UMICHIGANLAW - Calls $3
VENOMPSYCHO - Checks
*** FLOP [Ah,4h,2h] ***
UMICHIGANLAW - Bets $10
VENOMPSYCHO - Raises $10 to $20
UMICHIGANLAW - Calls $10
*** TURN [Ah,4h,2h,4s] ***
UMICHIGANLAW - Checks
VENOMPSYCHO - Bets $20
UMICHIGANLAW - Calls $20
*** RIVER [Ah,4h,2h,4s,4d] ***
UMICHIGANLAW - Checks
VENOMPSYCHO - Bets $20
UMICHIGANLAW - Calls $20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
VENOMPSYCHO - Show cards [2s,8d]
UMICHIGANLAW - Lost mucks
*** RESULT ***
Total Pot($130) Rake ($1)
Board [Ah,4h,2h,4s,4d]
UMICHIGANLAW - HI: [Lost mucks]
VENOMPSYCHO - Total ($129) HI$129)Full house, fours full of twos [2s,8d - B:4s,B:4h,B:4d,P:2s,B:2h]

That guy probably flopped a low flush.... then again, maybe you played it like a pro. Who knows. The point I am trying to make is, all-ins preflop are worthless. Even if you are a 70% favorite on consecutive preflop all-ins, you aren't a statistical favorite to win them both. Or if you're a 80% preflop favorite for 3 consecutive all-ins, you're only a 51% favorite to win all 3. So regardless of whether every time you go all-in preflop with AA, you're going to lose eventually. If you're pushing all-in every time with AK, you're going to lose almost half the time. So my advice. Don't push all-in preflop unless you're holding AA or KK.

6/1/2005 12:44:04 PM

heres what bugs me about online poker

at a sit and go, i'm holding [Ah Js]

flop comes [Kc Qh Th]

its on me. ace high straight. only like 5 people left -- i go all in, some dude calls me.

he has [Ks Kh]

** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]

he caught a boat. i wasnt bothered by that. tough luck jackleg, you picked the wrong time... hell, i probably would have called him if he bet.

** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]

i wanted to fucking kill someone. first he got his full house, then he got his 4 of a kind! i cant help but think someone folded pocket 10s or something. it was like he drew what he needed to beat my hand off the flop, and what he needed to beat an even better hand off the turn

there are way too many sucker hands out there. shit like that happens way too often online. i know you play more hands usually, but god damn im all about the conspiracy theory now

6/1/2005 1:08:16 PM

Flopping straights is dangerous. Hell, flopping flushes is dangerous. Because if someone has trips, then they are NOT going to lay them down. I can recall many specific instances in my head in which I flopped the nut straight, went all-in, and was called by either trips or 2 pair (or even worse, top pair) and they hit what they needed to win. It sucks. I am torn on how to play a straight if I flop it. I mean, of course I bet it. Now, if I'm reraised, I'll just call and wait and see if my hand is still the nuts after the turn. If it is, then I go all-in and take my chances that way.

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6/1/2005 1:16:52 PM

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6/1/2005 1:18:09 PM

i usually dont mess with either off the bat unless they're ace high or its a sit and go

im not calling bad beat at all, i'd call if i were him too. i'd call again in the same situation if i were me

i was just pissed to see my hand get beat by the turn, then demolished by the river. it didnt sit well with me

[Edited on June 1, 2005 at 1:20 PM. Reason : ^collusion prevention system = sucker hand generator]

6/1/2005 1:20:10 PM