Just like apple to roll out some changes this slow, gah..bring on the damn 3G already

2/5/2008 9:18:36 AM

I'm just a little worried that this 16GB refresh is just to tide us over until the real update, which may not be happening for a while now.

2/5/2008 9:36:13 AM

I'd guess sometime around summer, which sucks. I thought I had seen a release date for the European version which was going to have 3G but I haven't looked into it in quite some time. I was hoping they'd do it in the next month or so but that wouldn't make much sense now since they just added the larger storage. I mean, at the very least add the ability to use an external GPS receiver.. that wouldn't be the best solution but it'd be a hell of a lot better than what it is now. 3G is really what everybody is waiting for though, obviously.

[Edited on February 5, 2008 at 9:45 AM. Reason : I need to sell mine before the 3G ones come out though so I don't take as much of a loss..]

2/5/2008 9:44:59 AM

From what I gather, the newly released GPS triangulation works "well enough" (for pedestrian navigation, anyway.) So I don't really care about that too much. 3G is a must, and a beefier battery would be nice.

2/5/2008 10:00:00 AM

So here's something I've always wanted to know...

If you know you're gonna buy an iphone and sign the 2 year contract with AT&T anyway, but you don't really get any reduction for being a new customer or whatever, then can you just go to the AT&T store and sign a 2 year contract, get one of the free/cheap phones and then immediately go buy an iphone? Then you'd have both phones and could sell one off to take a little bit of the price off the iphone.

2/5/2008 10:26:47 AM

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"Just like apple to roll out some changes this slow, gah..bring on the damn 3G already"

GAH, it is just like Apple to incrementally make their products better instead of revolutionizing them every 6 months

2/5/2008 10:33:43 AM

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"If you know you're gonna buy an iphone and sign the 2 year contract with AT&T anyway, but you don't really get any reduction for being a new customer or whatever, then can you just go to the AT&T store and sign a 2 year contract, get one of the free/cheap phones and then immediately go buy an iphone? Then you'd have both phones and could sell one off to take a little bit of the price off the iphone."

that's a good question...

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"I'm just a little worried that this 16GB refresh is just to tide us over until the real update, which may not be happening for a while now."

I hope thats not the case.

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"From what I gather, the newly released GPS [cell tower] triangulation works "well enough" (for pedestrian navigation, anyway.) So I don't really care about that too much. 3"

the cell-phone-tower-triangulation just tells you where you are on a map (within a large circle)...it isn't integrated into navigation anything. the real use of a gps-enabled iphone would be vehicular navigation, which obviously isn't possible with this cell tower thing.



so when is this SDK coming out? Hows it all going to go down? Will there be any need for the jailbreak after the SDK, will we be able to install whatever we want? I'm assuming thats not the case, and there will be a small # of applications approved/released thru iTunes. any ideas?

2/5/2008 10:40:37 AM

the slide about the SDK said "End of February", so I'm guessing we'll hear more about it in a couple weeks. I don't quite think you'll be able to do "whatever you want" with it, but it should result in a bunch of quality apps being released (I'm thinking they'll probably have to go through some kind of approval process before they can officially be installed).

So, the cell tower triangulation won't do navigation? If I'm walking around with my iPhone and look up the nearest Starbucks, there's no way to get it to (easily) give me directions to that Starbucks from where I am? Like say, a "get directions...from current location" button? If so, lame and I want GPS in iPhone 2.

[Edited on February 5, 2008 at 10:50 AM. Reason : d]

2/5/2008 10:47:32 AM

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""get directions...from current location" button"

this is exactly what you can do. however, the current location may be off by a block or two

2/5/2008 11:01:19 AM

ah ok i haven't used that "get directions from current location" feature, but i know it still doesn't do real time street by street navigation...which would be impossible using cell tower location info.

2/5/2008 11:15:59 AM

I just want my damn text messaging order fixed, this shit is getting old and the "fix" they posted doesn't work

2/5/2008 1:25:33 PM

^ why is it that the text message ordering issue is only affecting certain iphones and not all?

2/5/2008 1:38:28 PM

that I'm not sure about... It has something to do with trying to use network times to sort text messages instead of just using the time it actually makes it to the iphone to sort them. I wonder if it has something to do with different carriers having slightly different times... that would make sense since it primarily happens when a lot of fast texting is happening and a service providers clock being off a few seconds would actually make a difference

no clue if that's right, but it's my best guess

2/5/2008 2:12:52 PM

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"So here's something I've always wanted to know... If you know you're gonna buy an iphone and sign the 2 year contract with AT&T anyway, but you don't really get any reduction for being a new customer or whatever, then can you just go to the AT&T store and sign a 2 year contract, get one of the free/cheap phones and then immediately go buy an iphone? Then you'd have both phones and could sell one off to take a little bit of the price off the iphone."

Yes. You can do that. I asked someone at AT&T (a location where they actually sell the iphone) when I was in there because I plan on doing the exact same thing. She said that was fine.

2/5/2008 2:34:22 PM

^cool. That's a really good idea.

2/5/2008 2:46:52 PM

Doesn't the iphone plan have a strange data rate plan specifically for the iphone to avoid the huge data fee's and such?

2/5/2008 4:50:54 PM

specifically for the iphone? yes

strange? not really

2/5/2008 4:53:23 PM

yeah theres nothing strange about it. its unlimited data for $20/month

2/5/2008 4:58:26 PM

Yeah it's just added into the base rate and then they call it an iPhone plan... just $20 extra added to the other plans and unlimited data separately is $20 anyways...

2/5/2008 5:02:51 PM

i like the iphone for one thing. the guitar software. i play when i'm bored.

also i was rather impressed when a iphone was run over by a semi and only the rear plastic piece broke off.

2/5/2008 10:52:31 PM

Visual Voicemail is included in the iPhone plan. So if you try this trick, you won't get that feature.

2/6/2008 12:32:56 PM

^ as long as your iphone will have at&t service, and you have some sort of a data plan, you'll have visual voicemail.

2/6/2008 12:50:23 PM

I thought is was part of the 'iphone plan'...

2/6/2008 1:20:07 PM

What trick are you talking about? The one I mentioned? I mean, you'd still have to sign up for the iphone plan. You would just switch to that plan just like any other current AT&T customer that buys an iphone. The only difference would be you would be a BRAND NEW current AT&T customer as opposed to someone that had been with them for a year or whatever.

I still don't see why it wouldn't work.

2/6/2008 1:55:55 PM

I just got this thing in the mail:

http://www.1topstore.com/product_info.php?products_id=1712

i wasn't sure if it would actually work, since the iphone seems to have different reactions to some of these things, but i put batteries in and it works like a charm, pretty sweet for 7 bucks...

the phone thinks it's plugged into the wall.

2/6/2008 2:51:01 PM

nice, does it provide a full charge?

2/6/2008 3:05:07 PM

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"^ as long as your iphone will have at&t service, and you have some sort of a data plan, you'll have visual voicemail. "

not true, the visual voicemail feature has to be specifically added to your plan or it won't work.......I know because when I first got my iPhone the visual voicemail didn't work and it was because they had forgotten to add the feature to my plan

2/6/2008 3:10:48 PM

^its included in the plan for iphones. You can't have an iphone without visual voicemail.

2/6/2008 3:17:21 PM

Any ideas on a 3g model?
i hear there is a 32 gb ipod touch out..

if i can get a 32gb i phone w/ 3g i'll be happy

2/6/2008 3:19:37 PM

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"if i can get a 32gb i phone w/ 3g i'll be happy"

2/6/2008 3:26:27 PM

i know some people who dropped USD 1,333 on iphones here in SA before it was officially on sale. some storeowners brought them from abroad, hacked them so that they could be used on local networks, and then put them on sale for USD 1,000+.

[rich] idiots bought them.

even now, it officially sells for about USD 600 for the base model.

2/7/2008 7:40:03 PM

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"its included in the plan for iphones. You can't have an iphone without visual voicemail."

You can have an iphone without visual voicemail, I know because I did for about a week........it is included in the iPhone plan but the iPhone doesn't require the iPhone plan in order to work. When I initially activated my iPhone it simply kept me on the same voice & data plan I had already been on with Cingular instead of changing me to the iPhone plan, as a result every aspect of the iPhone worked (voice, data, etc), only I didn't have visual voicemail until I called customer service and had them manually change my plan to the iPhone plan.

Which is why I said

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"as long as your iphone will have at&t service, and you have some sort of a data plan, you'll have visual voicemail."

was not true, it's not enough to simply have at&t service and some sort of data plan, you need the iPhone plan specifically in order for the visual voicemail to work

2/7/2008 11:55:28 PM

4.6 unlock out w00t

[Edited on February 8, 2008 at 10:20 AM. Reason : software..]

2/8/2008 10:18:20 AM

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"i know some people who dropped USD 1,333 on iphones here in SA before it was officially on sale. some storeowners brought them from abroad, hacked them so that they could be used on local networks, and then put them on sale for USD 1,000+. [rich] idiots bought them. even now, it officially sells for about USD 600 for the base model."

I've seen cell phones being sold for that much and they weren't iphones. They weren't hcaked phones either...just normal retail prices.

2/8/2008 11:51:13 AM

http://www.forbes.com/wireless/2008/02/08/iphone-att-hsdpa-tech-wire-cx_bc_0208techiphone.html

2/10/2008 3:07:09 PM

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"Sorry, First Adopters--Better iPhone Is On The Way"

HOW DARE THEY I AM OUTRAGED

2/10/2008 3:20:36 PM

exactly.

newer generations will always be better than older ones... so even if you got the 5th gen of a car/appliance/software, the 6th will be better. but, you gotta buy it at sometime.

however, those why buy the first gen of anything are stupid. not only are 1st gens stupidly expensive, but also have poor features, and most importantly, design and software flaws/bugs.

my first ipod was the 5th gen ipod, and my first iphone will also be at least the 3rd gen. (so i can replace my current ipod and phone with one appliance)

2/10/2008 3:24:44 PM

you people act like the iphone is an unusable piece of shit. lol. OMG no GPS no 3G

2/10/2008 6:58:34 PM

mhum.... what the hell was the point of that article? Forbes needs to waste a whole column on "Apple will introduce a new iPhone at some undetermined point in the future?"

in other news, i bet all you assholes who bought Windows 95 feel like jerks now. Windows has been updated, like, 5 times since then!

2/10/2008 9:34:17 PM

http://www.dragonkicks.com/product_info.php?products_id=7473

iphone clone. hillarious.

2/11/2008 10:52:53 PM

^

HiPhone

2/11/2008 10:56:28 PM

I'll sell my (cracked screen 4gb) iPhone for cheaper than that

2/12/2008 7:31:25 AM

The 3G iPhone: Do we have it all wrong?
http://macenstein.com/default/archives/1122

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"Everyone “knows” Apple is making a 3G iPhone, right? I mean, it’s a given, a sure thing, easy money. In fact, many prospective iPhone users are putting off the purchase of the wunder phone until Apple announces the device. But what if there will never be a 3G iPhone? At least in the US."

2/12/2008 7:39:20 AM

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"Admittedly this is pure speculation combined with a healthy dose of wishful thinking"

I don't think they would restrict the 3G version coming here just because many years down the road they might offer wi-fi as an alternative

2/12/2008 8:37:21 AM

^^ of course, that's ignoring the fact that the AT&T CEO already claimed last year we would "have [3G] next year"
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/29/atandt-ceo-outs-3g-iphone-youll-have-it-next-year/
of course, plans change, but 3G could happen within a year, but nationwide wi-fi on the 700MHz spectrum will take several years to implement

2/12/2008 9:14:38 AM

is there more potential for speed with 3G or the 700mhz wifi? Maybe longterm they'll aim towards wifi. Seems that there are a few advantages for it and they could easily then sell internet service to anybody with coverage--kind of like clearwire except hopefully faster.

2/12/2008 9:17:21 AM

^

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"The 700MHz spectrum band carries wireless signals three to four times farther than some higher spectrum bands, making it optimal for long-range broadband networks. This is raising speculation that Apple and At&T could be implementing nationwide WiFi rather than 3G."

i may not be fully up-to-date on all the wireless lingo, but i don't think this should technically be called "WiFi". I thought WiFi referred specifically to the 802.11_ family, which is not what will be implemented on the 700MHz spectrum. Unless I'm confused here, I think they will have to implement a form of WiMax or some other wireless standard, but not WiFi as we know it today.

2/12/2008 9:25:24 AM

all in all it sounds like something they'll make me pay more for I wanna to use my dinky $60/month plan for unlimited 3G data [yesterday]

2/12/2008 9:29:55 AM

yea, what's the latest on wifi-max? Last I read it seemed like a good idea but I haven't heard much about it in a little while

2/12/2008 10:02:42 AM

^^^

yeah, i think they're trying to use "wifi" interchangeably with "wireless broadband" which is definitely wrong.

Has the FCC auction for the old UHF frequencies finished yet? depending on the outcome of that, 700Mhz could be used for WiMax.

2/12/2008 10:18:40 AM