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"if Hickson planned on playing 1 year and going pro all along, why didn't he go to a better program and try to win a title in that one year that he confided in you that he was staying in college? "

how quickly we forget the preseason hype of us being a #2 seed in the NCAA tourney. I'm sure Hickson thought he was joining a quality club.

2/15/2008 1:58:50 PM

all Hickson would have to do would be look at our program over the last 10 years compared to a Duke or UNC or UConn...theres no way in hell he thought we'd win a title his first year based on a preseason ranking which was obviously way too high anyway

and i remember a preseason 3rd in the conference prediction...dont recall any preseason ncaa seedings...wouldnt they rank us preseason 8th nationally or something if we were supposed to be a #2 seed?

[Edited on February 15, 2008 at 2:03 PM. Reason : .]

2/15/2008 2:00:56 PM

I think it may be a little early to tell if Hickson will go, although I'd probably put money on it that he's gone. But whats this talk about Fells?

2/15/2008 2:13:23 PM

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"boast boast boast blame blame blame"

2/15/2008 2:19:04 PM

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"But whats this talk about Fells?"

lol that's just me, i have no credibility.

but i think he's gone. at the very least he's shopping agents.

2/15/2008 3:09:12 PM

I said this before, but I'll say it again for this page.

I really do like Sid as a person and he genuinely loves NC State, which is a welcome change. However, I have SERIOUS doubts as to whether or not he can run a college basketball program. These aren't just isolated doubts in one area. They are across the board. I'm not pleased at the caliber of PG recruits he has gotten**, I'm not pleased with his in game adjustments and I'm not pleased with the way he uses the bench. I do like his passion and I like the way he talks to the media.

Now I know my opinion isn't completely informed (none of ours is) and my opinion really doesn't matter but there it is.

** don't feed me John Wall. He is going to Memphis or Kentucky. He'd trip over himself if UNC ever offered considering he is a HUGE Heels fan but that isn't going to happen.

2/15/2008 3:13:22 PM

kentucky's not in any better shape than we are, and memphis runs a fucked up offense that doesn't use any screens.

/making up optimism.

2/15/2008 3:17:00 PM

^^i agree for the most part.

last year though, everyone (fans,media,etc) was screaming about how great his in-game adjustments were. what happened? were they never really there to begin with?

and as far as point guards go...there's not a whole lot sid could have done considering the desperate situation we were in when he got here. that one falls on the former coach.

[Edited on February 15, 2008 at 3:17 PM. Reason : ]

2/15/2008 3:17:16 PM

I'm not going to give him too much shit till the end of next year. Then it's on. You hearing me Sid!

2/15/2008 3:20:02 PM

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"and as far as point guards go...there's not a whole lot sid could have done considering the desperate situation we were in when he got here. that one falls on the former coachChris Wright. "

2/15/2008 3:24:42 PM

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"and as far as point guards go...there's not a whole lot sid could have done considering the desperate situation we were in when he got here. that one falls on the former coach."

I don't like talking about Herb as he relates to NC State when trying to judge Lowe but I think that is a bit unfair. Sidney himself recruited Javi over Jai Lucas (who I wanted despite his size) and got Degand and Johnson to transfer here (I could be wrong on those but that is how I remembered it).

Also, Chris Wright was one of the Top 5 PG recruits and both he and Jamelle McMillan had VERY HIGH interest but decided to go elsewhere. In fact, I remember rumors on here long after Sidney took over that Wright was on the verge of signing his LOI here before picked JTIII...

2/15/2008 3:27:37 PM

jai lucas turned us down waaaay before sid got javi

herb was close with chris wright so i'll give him that. but i don't think you can blame sidney for not landing him.

mcmillan...i didn't think he had very high interest.

as for degand and johnson....i doubt that sidney sought them out and convinced them to come here....offering them both scholarships though once they requested to transfer here....yeah i could fault him for that i guess (for marques johnson...not for degand as he was coming around before the injury)

2/15/2008 3:34:45 PM

degand being hurt has given a huge boost to everyone's memory of how good he is.

he's not that good. he's fast, that's about it.

2/15/2008 3:54:11 PM

he's still the best PG on our roster and the best ball handler of our PGs and the best at getting the ball over half court

2/15/2008 4:02:46 PM

degand sucked but he was better than javi. Javi now is better than degand was when he got hurt though.

2/15/2008 4:07:46 PM

^

2/15/2008 4:11:34 PM

a guy who's in his 3rd year of school and been practicing w/ the team for a full year is better than a true freshman? no way.

degand was okay at the 1 and javi is okay at the 1.

this program is going in such a bad direction right now.

2/15/2008 4:13:34 PM

I can't believe he didn't have Fells on Rice. Thats ridiculous.

2/15/2008 4:14:19 PM

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"degand was okay at the 1 and javi is okay at the 1."

Javi is less than okay.

I keep telling my tar heel fans how we'd LOVE to have quentin thomas running the point for us right now. He just doesn't understand how dire our point guard situation is.

2/15/2008 4:15:52 PM

no, he is okay.

2/15/2008 4:19:19 PM

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"I can't believe he didn't have Fells on Rice. Thats ridiculous."

I was saying this all before and during the game. Rice just had his way with Javi. That is piss-poor coaching. BC has 1 great player in Rice and 1 good one in Sanders. The rest are role players or scrubs. There is NO WAY that BC team should be ours. EVER.

2/15/2008 5:53:23 PM

^ i don't usually get on Sid, but not having Fells on Rice was a stupid fuckin' move.

2/15/2008 6:49:41 PM

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"We want our coaches to do something that nobody else in college basketball can do - beat Carolina and Dook with regularity"

i really am tired of hearing this. it's nice to beat them but if we go 12-4 every year with all four losses to Duke/UNC then i don't think i will really give a shit. i just want to bring in good talent, play to the full potential of that talent, expect to win 9 or 10 conference games, and be a lock for the NCAA tournament...with a good run every couple of years. not be on the freaking bubble EVERY SINGLE YEAR with teams that have the potential to do more.

IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK??

2/15/2008 6:50:40 PM

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"i just want to bring in good talent, play to the full potential of that talent"

that would be nice.

2/15/2008 6:52:14 PM

just field good teams that don't run an offense that routinely falls apart. christ.

and if you can manage to win more than 1 out of every 5 of your encounters w/ duke/unc, that'd be peachy.

[Edited on February 15, 2008 at 6:53 PM. Reason : .]

2/15/2008 6:53:15 PM

and maybe a road win every now and then.

2/15/2008 7:05:19 PM

you guys are fucking rediculous

are you serious?

who the fuck else do you want?

2/15/2008 7:15:04 PM

2/15/2008 11:11:07 PM

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"just field good teams that don't run an offense that routinely falls apart. christ."

NO SHIT. At this point, I would give my left nut not to see a fucking 7 minute scoring drought ever again.

2/15/2008 11:32:30 PM

no herb plz.

2/15/2008 11:57:38 PM

you gotta give the man a chance to have all of his own players on the floor. The bitching isnt going to change the fact that we havent been really competitive in the ACC in years. I think he can lead this team in the right direction, just needs his pieces in place. only 2 of his recruits are actually playing right now im pretty sure, JJ is a beast and Javi has his moments and at least looks like he's making an effoft to improve his game, unlike costner. Our team is full of 6'8" guys that like to shoot 3's.

2/16/2008 11:04:05 AM

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"The bitching isnt going to change the fact that we havent been really competitive in the ACC in years."

Where the fuck have you been for the past 5 years??

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"you guys are fucking rediculous are you serious? who the fuck else do you want?"

I don't know why the misspelling of "ridiculous" bothers me so much...but it does. You should know how to spell that word by the time you get to college.

And who do I want?? I want a good basketball coach. If its Sidney Lowe, then that's great. If not, then we need to get someone else. Unless he completely lays an egg the rest of this year and next year, then he'll probably get five years. If we haven't solidified ourselves as a consistent top 4 ACC team by then, then lets get someone else.

2/16/2008 11:09:56 AM

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"no herb plz."

Herb never lost to ECU

2/16/2008 11:25:15 AM

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"you gotta give the man a chance to have all of his own players on the floor"

That's a bad idea.

Our talent is losing their eligibility. Grant leaves this year. McCauley and Fells aren't far behind.

The cupboard is becoming bare. Sidney hasn't been able to land anyone good except Hickson thus far and he's probably one and done.

2/16/2008 12:11:05 PM

2009 class will define sidney lowe's tenure here.

2/16/2008 12:30:35 PM

where the fuck have I been?? I havent seen us win the ACC lately, getting to the acc tourn. championship after finishing around .500 in the conference isnt exactly competitive. Herb wasn't leading us anywhere but to the middle. Sid's in his second year coaching and people are already calling for his head, its hilarious. Programs like Kentucky have more of a basis to do that then we do. We've made it to exactly 1 sweet 16 in the last what 20 years?? give me a break.

[Edited on February 16, 2008 at 1:50 PM. Reason : x]

2/16/2008 1:47:04 PM

it's not out of line to want to be competitive in your own conference.

2/16/2008 1:49:45 PM

never said it was, but given the teams overall history the last 18 years, expecting someone to come in and in their second year make us awesome is ridiculous.

2/16/2008 1:54:22 PM

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"We've made it to exactly 1 sweet 16 in the last what 20 years?? give me a break"

Two.

2/16/2008 2:03:52 PM

To the Herb Sendek guys:

Herb was a great coach and maybe if his personality jived better with NC State then he might have still been here but the truth is he polarized the fan base to the point where every game we played became a critique of his coaching ability- vocally at that.

We needed to grab a coach that would take what Herb had done, and move it to the level that Herb couldn't- that is- consistently playing with passion. We decided, instead, to hire a project and not just a firebrand Div II coach but a coach who had no experience in college and a pathetic NBA head coaching career. Honestly, I don't know what Lee Fowler was thinking when he made this hire and threw an individual with little experience into a rabid basketball conference. Its a direct flashback to the Les Robinson era of coaching.

Maybe we'll have another great ACCT run and then an electrifying NIT run. Who knows. Every game we lose, however, makes it harder for us to bounce back and given our incoming recruiting class the parallels to 92-96 start becoming terrifyingly obvious.

[Edited on February 16, 2008 at 2:07 PM. Reason : >.<]

2/16/2008 2:07:01 PM

^^yea, sorry about that, forgot about the one 19 years ago.

[Edited on February 16, 2008 at 2:09 PM. Reason : s]

2/16/2008 2:08:37 PM

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"never said it was, but given the teams overall history the last 18 years, expecting someone to come in and in their second year make us awesome is ridiculous"

No one is even asking for awesome, we are just asking for half way decent. Maybe a basketball team that cares about whether they win or lose.

This team is terrible. Absolutely awful.

2/16/2008 2:09:06 PM

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"I havent seen us win the ACC lately, getting to the acc tourn. championship after finishing around .500 in the conference isnt exactly competitive."

Then you have a distorted definition of "competitive." Last five years of Sendek in the ACC, 9-7, 9-7, 11-5, 7-9, and 10-6 (and the 7-9 team actually went to the Sweet 16).

I'm sorry...but that's competitive. I personally want more than that...but right now I'd love for our current team to be "competitive" like like they were above in those five years.

2/16/2008 2:24:28 PM

yes, im sure you were just so excited when we would finish 4th in the league, then make a first round exit, even with that people were calling for herbs head, I just didnt think it would happen this fast for Sid. Sure the team isnt playing well, Im not saying they are, but you cant blame him completely, not yet at least. hell we even gave Amato more time than this.

2/16/2008 2:36:38 PM

I'm just disagreeing with your definition of competitive.

But you can keep making up arguments by putting words into my mouth.

2/16/2008 3:06:39 PM

another game with zero improvement.

2/16/2008 3:56:34 PM

2/16/2008 4:03:21 PM

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"yes, im sure you were just so excited when we would finish 4th in the league, then make a first round exit, even with that people were calling for herbs head, I just didnt think it would happen this fast for Sid"

actually we finished 2nd at herb's best. herb took a program that was teh worst in the acc to finishing in the top 4 in the best conference in the country 4 out of 5 years and 5 straight in the tourney. as soon as he left, we finished 10th and w/out some SUPERB play in the second half, we will finish in the bottom half again. and nobody is optimistic about next year.

i'm not calling for his head, as i'm sure most people in this thread or not, i'm just saying that he needs to make some significant changes.

2/16/2008 4:07:14 PM

Grant, Fells, Gonzalez, Hickson, McCauley....this should be the lineup for 35 mins of the game. there is no reason to deviate from this

2/16/2008 4:31:04 PM

why does costner play. he should be running from now until next year.



No one in the basketball program know shit about defense.

[Edited on February 16, 2008 at 5:14 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2008 4:52:21 PM