I don't actually know anyone IRL who is a Rick Santorum supporter.

^^ i bet Santorum is a closet homosexual too.
for good measure: http://spreadingsantorum.com/

1/5/2012 12:42:45 AM

^That says more about you than Rick Santorum.

I don't know anyone in real life who was hard-core for, or even very sympathetic to, Obama's 2008 candidacy. But I recognize that is only representative of the circles I live in.

1/5/2012 3:07:49 AM

McCain got a hard question on his sponsorship of Romney and had absolutely no answer. He had called Romney in 2008 "a manager not a leader", and when asked about it on CNN he was all "Well, politics is a collision sport, but Mitt and I agree on many issues herpaderp...."

1/5/2012 7:41:19 AM

I don't know why he wouldn't just respond honestly.

Back then we were opponents in a political race, so of course I'm going to go after him any way I can.

[Edited on January 5, 2012 at 9:24 AM. Reason : .]

1/5/2012 9:24:36 AM

^
For some reason, people prefer consistency over honesty, even when they're blatantly lying. I don't get it either.

1/5/2012 10:26:39 AM

Quote :

"One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country.” And also, “Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that’s okay, contraception is okay. It’s not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be."

No way...

1/5/2012 11:12:25 AM

On to New Hampshire, who's elected representatives are currently working on these gems!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/new-hampshire-legislature-curriculum-objection-law_n_1184476.html

Quote :

"The state House voted 255-112 and Senate 17-5 to enact H.B. 542, which will allow parents to request an alternative school curriculum for any subject to which they register an objection."

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/01/04/397520/new-hampshire-gop-bill-mandates-that-laws-find-their-origin-in-1215-english-magna-carta/

Quote :

"“All members of the general court proposing bills and resolutions addressing individual rights or liberties shall include a direct quote from the Magna Carta which sets forth the article from which the individual right or liberty is derived,” is the bill’s one sentence."

1/5/2012 12:16:57 PM

Holy shit, I fucking hate Rick Santorum.

http://youtu.be/1Gwwmm-cQxU

Santorum: "They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom or in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world."

1/5/2012 2:05:54 PM

wow. that is some high stupidity there, if that is how he really meant it. "real conservatives want the government to control everything." wait, what?

1/5/2012 3:09:14 PM

To be fair, "conservative" is nearing uselessness. It changes every decade, and for the past ten years, conservative has been used interchangeable with Republican. None of that changes how offensive his statement there is, though.

Santorum is a joke. The media talks about how Ron Paul is unelectable, but Santorum takes unelectability to a whole new level. The guy would get thrashed in every single swing state. This is a guy that took home his stillborn child and slept with it between him and his wife.

1/5/2012 3:57:46 PM

Quote :

"This is a guy that took home his stillborn child and slept with it between him and his wife."

what the fuck

1/5/2012 3:59:03 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A61804-2005Apr17

Quote :

"In his Senate office, on a shelf next to an autographed baseball, Sen. Rick Santorum keeps a framed photo of his son Gabriel Michael, the fourth of his seven children. Named for two archangels, Gabriel Michael was born prematurely, at 20 weeks, on Oct. 11, 1996, and lived two hours outside the womb. Upon their son's death, Rick and Karen Santorum opted not to bring his body to a funeral home. Instead, they bundled him in a blanket and drove him to Karen's parents' home in Pittsburgh. There, they spent several hours kissing and cuddling Gabriel with his three siblings, ages 6, 4 and 1 1/2. They took photos, sang lullabies in his ear and held a private Mass. "That's my little guy," Santorum says, pointing to the photo of Gabriel, in which his tiny physique is framed by his father's hand. The senator often speaks of his late son in the present tense. It is a rare instance in which he talks softly. He and Karen brought Gabriel's body home so their children could "absorb and understand that they had a brother," Santorum says. "We wanted them to see that he was real," not an abstraction, he says. Not a "fetus," either, as Rick and Karen were appalled to see him described -- "a 20-week-old fetus" -- on a hospital form. They changed the form to read "20-week-old baby.""

I remember seeing an article or interview with more detail. Seems creepy as hell to me.

[Edited on January 5, 2012 at 4:06 PM. Reason : ]

1/5/2012 4:01:42 PM

That's disturbing.

1/5/2012 4:07:00 PM

I'll take Mitt Romney's magic pajamas over Rick Santorum's dead baby any day

1/5/2012 4:11:40 PM

I get the point they were trying to make to their family. If you're that hardline on fetus=baby then I can see wanting to hammer the message home to your children.

But that's a really extreme way to do it. Creepy extreme.

1/5/2012 4:14:33 PM

I get the impression that Santorum would like to make the gov a full blown catholic theocracy

1/5/2012 4:22:21 PM

The GOP needs to rid itself of this Christianist/Theocratic cancer before the gays and drunkards are put in concentration camps.

How will housewives live without Bravo?!

1/5/2012 4:22:43 PM

^^ with the added irony that they absolutely hate islamic theocracies because they are so oppressive and we must "free those people"

1/5/2012 4:27:20 PM

i can't believe it's even legal to bring a dead baby home from the hospital

1/5/2012 4:34:01 PM

well of course, they go about oppression all wrong...

Women should be allowed to go to school, just not have jobs afterwards
Gays shouldn't be publicly executed, just social lepers
Your shouldn't be forcibly restricted in your religion, just have every public policy favor the "right" one.

Wars shouldn't be fought in order to simply spread your ideals and influence.....errrr well, at least they can agree on something

1/5/2012 4:37:47 PM

Making a 6 year old cuddle with a corpse of a 20 week old fetus is child abuse in my book.

1/5/2012 4:42:57 PM

i know. what 20-week old fetus wants to cuddle with a 6-year-old? come on!



so, his wife wrote a book on etiquette for children. i wonder if she includes a chapter on how to introduce yourself to a dead fetus, lol

[Edited on January 5, 2012 at 5:00 PM. Reason : see how I used the "edit post" feature, Str8tFoolish and pack_bryan? It's amazing!]

1/5/2012 4:44:04 PM

Rick Santorum may be a nice guy, but the fact that he is running on social issues with the economy that we have says something.

It also gives you an idea of how Iowans vote: they are values voters.

So, if we take that out of the equation and negate his votes in Iowa, Ron Paul comes in second to Mitt Romney.

I don't agree with anyone who says that birth control should be outlawed.

1/5/2012 5:03:00 PM

the guy honestly believes that if we "fix the family" that the economy will be fixed.

1/5/2012 5:11:18 PM

What's so extreme about it. Seems like a pretty wholesome way to say goodbye to a loved one, rather than promptly tossing the remains in a furnace.

1/5/2012 6:40:46 PM

because those are obviously the only two options

when has it ever been ok to take a dead body home from the hospital?

1/5/2012 6:42:16 PM

Why isn't it ok?

1/5/2012 6:46:44 PM

I wouldn't even say it's unacceptable or "not okay", it's just fucking weird. It's your baby, do what you want as long as it's not a threat to public health, but it's still going to change my opinion of you.

1/5/2012 6:53:27 PM

So say grandma dies at the hospital, I can throw her in my car and take her around town for the rest of the day. Make sure everyone has a chance to say goodbye?

1/5/2012 6:56:47 PM

look, you wanna cart her around town, I'll look at you oddly. i mean, what do you think a hearse is doing, even if it's not for everyone else to gawk at gramms. but, when you cuddle up next to her in bed for the night? yeah... not that you are disagreeing with me

1/5/2012 7:17:09 PM

^^
Don't forget to let the kids get some kissing and cuddling in!

[Edited on January 5, 2012 at 7:18 PM. Reason : .]

1/5/2012 7:17:54 PM

I came in here to make a weekend at bernie's reference. But now I'm too skeeved-out after reading that dead baby story.



[Edited on January 5, 2012 at 7:25 PM. Reason : serves me right for reading the thread from the bottom of the page to the top.]

1/5/2012 7:24:59 PM

Quote :

"So say grandma dies at the hospital, I can throw her in my car and take her around town for the rest of the day. Make sure everyone has a chance to say goodbye?"

Dunno where your grandma lives, but if she's in California ( and you take a time machine back to the 70's) you could only get charged with stealing the clothes she was wearing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gram_Parsons#Death

1/5/2012 7:38:27 PM

http://www.kcci.com/news/30144582/detail.html#ixzz1idUftgoh

Shenanigans

[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 12:15 AM. Reason : Or not, it's, just one guy]

1/6/2012 12:13:14 AM

Does it matter who won? I mean by that small of a margin, they both receive the amount of delegates. No one will care about Iowa after New Hampshire.

1/6/2012 12:15:39 AM

Not really, the state convention assigns the delegates anyway. IIRC Ron Paul could end up with the most just by virtue of his supporters being devoted enough to actually know the rules for Iowa's delegate process.

It's just amusing, after they make a huge fuss in the media about "winning" Iowa and potentially they've declared the wrong winner.

1/6/2012 12:34:11 AM

When does a dead 20 week old fetus start to decay? That's gotta be a health risk

This guy is just a walking, bad dead baby joke
---

Huntsman might be making a surge. He got endorsed by the Boston Globe or something. He any good?

1/6/2012 9:20:15 AM

^^I thought that the media had guesstimated that based on the distribution of caucus support, Paul and Gingrich would end up with no Iowa delegates, Romney would get 13, and Santorum would get 12.

With that said, here's a lovely chart by the Secular Coalition of America: http://secular.org/content/2012-presidental-candidate-scorecard

Full report: http://secular.org/files/2012scapresidentialcandidatescorecard.pdf

1/6/2012 9:30:42 AM

1/6/2012 9:36:58 AM

^^ Huntsman is the only Republican candidate I (as a staunch Dem) wouldn't mind in the presidency. He wouldn't be my ideal president, but neither is Obama and he's easily better than anyone else in the race. The key thing about him is that he's consistently conservative. I can begrudgingly take conservative fiscal policy as long as the "get the government out of our bedrooms" brand of social conservatism is being used.

I really hope that he does decently enough in the primaries to make a name for himself for 2016. Assuming the Dems manage to put up someone sane it would be the best election since I started voting.

[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 10:02 AM. Reason : .]

1/6/2012 10:00:07 AM

^^^ imagine that. liberals love Obama and hate rebublicans. or, as I'm surprised you didn't say, "rethugnicans," you sara palin lite

1/6/2012 10:27:01 AM

^^ I wasn't aware of any scientific evidence that supports the conclusion that people are born gay because of a genetic disposition.

1/6/2012 1:28:15 PM

You may want to read that post again.

1/6/2012 1:33:36 PM

I still dont get it

1/6/2012 1:39:54 PM

Quote :

"If empirical evidence isn't good enough to convince you that the Earth is over 6,000 years old, why would it be good enough to convince you that being gay is not a choice"

1/6/2012 1:42:36 PM

maybe because being gay is, at some level, a choice.

1/6/2012 2:03:21 PM

Taking a shit is, on some level, a choice.

1/6/2012 2:04:55 PM

not so much. now, taking a shit on another person's chest would certainly be a choice.
either way, I don't get why he even brought it up here, lol

1/6/2012 2:08:37 PM

Quote :

"maybe because being gay is, at some level, a choice."

Whether or not it is a choice or from a genetic disposition is irrelevant and does not warrant anyone from taking away their civil liberties.

I would bet that it is in our animal nature to be bisexual, and that gays who say that can't love a woman are just as blind as straight men who say that couldn't love a man. Given all of the scandolous gay love affairs and the double standard given to women on this issue, it seems obvious to me that sexuality is nothing more than a social construct.

1/6/2012 2:17:59 PM

Quote :

"Whether or not it is a choice or from a genetic disposition is irrelevant and does not warrant anyone from taking away their civil liberties."

sure. depending on what you are including in civil liberties. I don't include gov't recognition, approval, or conferrance of benefits in that. but what's the relevance to timswar's post that you refefenced?

1/6/2012 2:21:56 PM