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"because it's Sanders' fault that Clinton declined debating him?"

she is so bad at campaigning her strategy has been to go into hiding. hell the washington post has not been able to get an interview since 2009

5/26/2016 9:04:08 AM

She's in a position of power when it comes to the nomination and has nothing to gain from an additional debate.

5/26/2016 9:06:43 AM

Agreed she should never have agreed to a debate in June. That being said, what does Hilary have to gain from a June debate? She should have enough delegates to clinch the nominee from NJ and California alone.

Also, being part of the democratic party (which Sanders is) generally means watching out for the future nominee... Agreeing to a Fox News debate, making vague claims of rigged elections, and inviting Trump does not help the party.

I know Clinton ran a nasty campaign against Obama in 08 but that race was much tighter.

Of course if this debate does happen and Sanders comes out and attacks Trump, then I'll gladly be the first person to thank him. I doubt that happens considering fox news and Bernie's recent "Bernie or Bust" attitude.

/Rant

5/26/2016 9:17:52 AM

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" That being said, what does Hilary have to gain from a June debate? "

Advancing thought within the party, swaying Sanders supporters, proving she actually has integrity.

After yesterday, though, it's clear why she's scared to debate before California.

5/26/2016 9:52:11 AM

Clinton debating Sanders is something that she needs to do, it does benefit her. Democratic turnout hasn't been great, Clinton really needs to start building energy now for the general and she can't do that by limiting her exposure. There isn't a grave need to win over Sanders supporters, but what she does need to do is capture their energy and a good performance at a debate would help do that.

This email issue is a big deal, it's not a nothingburger, Clinton should be taking advantage of every opportunity she has to steer that narrative and its a topic that Sanders hasn't shown any interest in pursuing so a democratic debate would have helped her with this issue.

[Edited on May 26, 2016 at 10:14 AM. Reason : .]

5/26/2016 10:13:09 AM

With regards to Clinton debating with Bernie, we'll have to agree to disagree.

Now sources are saying Trump was apparently kidding about the debate with Bernie?

5/26/2016 12:01:29 PM

Yeah who knows with Trump. I'll wait for an official statement from his camp.

5/26/2016 12:03:14 PM

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"because it's Sanders' fault that Clinton declined debating him?"

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"she is so bad at campaigning her strategy has been to go into hiding"

I'm extremely worried about what President Hillary is going to do when it's time to negotiate and deal with foreign leaders.

Democrats have debated on Fox News before, although only against each other.

Bernie didn't create "Bernie or Bust." Hillary's attitude towards progressives did.

I don't want to see another debate. I want to see an unmoderated conversation where Hillary asks Bernie to support her, he says "this is what I need from you/what should be on your platform in order for me to do that," then they civilly work out the direction of a united party.

5/26/2016 12:08:16 PM

she was the Secratary of State....

5/26/2016 12:28:06 PM

So was Kissinger.

And she was so good at being Secretary of State that she was forced to resign.

5/26/2016 12:43:11 PM

what tough spots was she in that A) Obama didn't take lead or B) wasn't a total debacle?

5/26/2016 1:06:20 PM

forced to resign?

what?

5/26/2016 1:07:29 PM

Let's not pretend that Hillary's time as SOS was anything short of a disaster.

5/26/2016 1:16:19 PM

She's awesome at blowing enormous leads. She had a 20% plus lead on Obama in 2008, she had a 50 point lead on Bernie at the start of this primary, she even managed to make her senate run close against Rick Lazio after Giuliani had to drop out. She was a pretty substantial favorite over the whe Republican lineup at the beginning of the primaries, now she's in a dead heat with Trump and falling.

Her strategy absolutely needs to be to lay low until after the convention. She doesn't need to campaign anymore. She needs to strike the balance between letting Trump hang himself by saying dumb shit without letting him totally dominate the coverage.

5/26/2016 1:45:08 PM

My question is what happens when a person like that assumes office? If more visibility for her is bad, how will she handle being the most prominent leader in the world?

5/26/2016 1:48:08 PM

Seems like I remember a lot of conservatives praising her as SOS, at least compared to "feckless, limp-wristed Obama"

5/26/2016 1:48:17 PM

I don't remember that, but that's not a promising endorsement for the Dem frontrunner.

5/26/2016 1:50:53 PM

LOL at saying Clinton has anything to gain by debating Sanders. She has much, much more to lose if she were to do poorly. As others have said, she needs to lay low and let Trump tie his own noose.

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"Democratic turnout hasn't been great,"

Right, which is totally why Clinton has more votes than Trump overall so far in the primaries.



[Edited on May 26, 2016 at 2:13 PM. Reason : .]

5/26/2016 2:08:31 PM

^^I don't disagree. Although the only reason they said it is because they thought it would hurt Obama's image. The main point I'm trying to make is a bunch of conservatives going on and on about how disastrous Clintons term was is just a conversation of convenience.

5/26/2016 2:18:58 PM

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"Her strategy absolutely needs to be to lay low until after the convention. She doesn't need to campaign anymore. She needs to strike the balance between letting Trump hang himself by saying dumb shit without letting him totally dominate the coverage. "

low turnout isn't going to favor democrats

nothing trump has said so far has hurt him, waiting for him to say something that will hurt him is terrible strategy

5/26/2016 2:19:10 PM

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"Right, which is totally why Clinton has more votes than Trump overall so far in the primaries"

Right, but the number of voters voting in the Republican primaries has been significantly higher than the dems. Yes, Clinton has more raw votes than Trump, but the Republican primaries have had a much greater turnout (just 18+ candidates)

5/26/2016 2:21:15 PM

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"nothing trump has said so far has hurt him, waiting for him to say something that will hurt him is terrible strategy "

no, everything he has said has led to insanely low favorability ratings aside from racist, white males who will vote for him no matter what.

^ voter turnout is going to be low, regardless. like historically low. two awfully unfavorable people are not going to get people to the polls. fear is probably the biggest motivator and that works much more against Trump than Clinton.


[Edited on May 26, 2016 at 2:24 PM. Reason : .]

5/26/2016 2:22:00 PM

I don't understand how a debate in early June will influence voter turnout in November, especially when the state (California) the debate will be held in has voted Democrat since 1988.

That being said, I don't think comparing Clinton's poll totals to Trumps is much of an indicator of ANYTHING. Clinton ran largely against 1 other candidate while Trump had to overcome 15+. Doesn't seem like a reasonable comparison.

5/26/2016 2:26:05 PM

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". The main point I'm trying to make is a bunch of conservatives going on and on about how disastrous Clintons term was is just a conversation of convenience."

But it's not just conservatives saying that.

5/26/2016 2:26:06 PM

^^^but clinton's favorability ratings are also terrible

trump is not going to hang himself, he's not going to say anything that's suddenly a lot worse than the already terrible things he has said that is going to make people change their mind. republican turnout is better than democratic turnout, and in the general election a low turnout will not favor democrats.

if clinton just hides and waits, she will win the democratic primary (she already has) but that is a shortsighted plan. her campaign has been "sanders is unrealistic, we have to lower expectations" which doesn't exactly energize the voters. now that the democratic primary is done, she needs to change her message and energize voters so they show up. hiding won't do that.

[Edited on May 26, 2016 at 2:27 PM. Reason : .]

5/26/2016 2:26:56 PM

Trump has agreed to a debate for a $10 million donation to women's health issues. No specifics on who will pay or which charities.

I love this election. Donald Trump wins Republican primary while raising $15 million for veterans and women's health. Lmao.

[Edited on May 26, 2016 at 3:41 PM. Reason : .]

5/26/2016 3:38:34 PM

a big time cable network could pay the $10M right

5/26/2016 4:18:41 PM

Yeah, for sure. Trump implied that the network should donate the ad revenue from the debate.

5/26/2016 6:11:17 PM

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"what happens when a person like that assumes office? If more visibility for her is bad, how will she handle being the most prominent leader in the world?"

I think that the number of President Obama's public appearances has been fairly unprecedented.

5/26/2016 10:08:49 PM

engaging in a meaningless debate against a competitor you have roundly trounced does nothing. but keep on believing she's "hiding"

5/26/2016 10:53:20 PM

lol "routinely trounced"

5/26/2016 10:59:10 PM

Still not a Trump fan, but is

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"I love this election. Donald Trump wins Republican primary while raising $15 million for veterans and women's health. Lmao. "

a bad thing? To me, that is a step towards the way things should go in an election. Instead of candidates raising oodles of money for their own campaign, use their position to do actual good for the communities in which they're campaigning.

5/26/2016 11:01:41 PM

^oh I totally agree

5/26/2016 11:28:42 PM

he is a pathological liar when it comes to charitable donations, btw

5/26/2016 11:31:19 PM

go on, i'm interested

5/26/2016 11:49:50 PM

I'll post the articles after you post a reputable article that details Hilary Clinton being forced to resign as Secretary of State

[Edited on May 27, 2016 at 12:03 AM. Reason : one exists. the other doesn't. ]

5/27/2016 12:03:14 AM

I can't, so I will retract that comment.

[Edited on May 27, 2016 at 12:09 AM. Reason : still a terrible SoS]

5/27/2016 12:05:20 AM

it's now glaringly obvious that this is your first time really following politics

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-portrait-of-trump-the-donor-free-rounds-of-golf-but-no-personal-cash/2016/04/10/373b9b92-fb40-11e5-9140-e61d062438bb_story.html

5/27/2016 12:09:28 AM

a terrible what?

5/27/2016 12:13:57 AM

christ, relax man

5/27/2016 12:18:44 AM

I'm always relaxed

it's just funny that you tend to not be that informed when it comes to the big picture

passion in politics tends to be a good thing, as long as that passion is channeled in the right direction

[Edited on May 27, 2016 at 12:34 AM. Reason : .]

5/27/2016 12:29:21 AM

lol, thank you for bestowing your insight upon me, gautama.

maybe i just have a different idea of what the big picture is?

[Edited on May 27, 2016 at 12:59 AM. Reason : .]

5/27/2016 12:58:55 AM

you thought Hillary was forced to resign and knew nothing of Trumps bullshit about charity donations

you're too focused on a primary that's over/shitting on Clinton than a ton of Trump lies

[Edited on May 27, 2016 at 1:14 AM. Reason : .]

5/27/2016 1:08:06 AM

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" lol "routinely trounced""

3 million votes Earl.

[Edited on May 27, 2016 at 1:49 AM. Reason : ^ yup.]

5/27/2016 1:48:40 AM

vota totals are useless when some states have caucuses (states bernie usually does well in). the vote totals are apples and oranges. thats not the point though. Most of those votes were cast by people who thought she was the best to beat trump back when a lot of people thought she was the best to beat trump. now its become obvious that shes not so bernies in your rear view are closer than they appear.

bernie has "routinely trounced" hilary in recent competitions. I'm not saying bernies going to win (he's not without a huge indictment), but don't try to make this into some kind've landslide when its extremely close. Its so close, that participating in another debate could actually cost her the nomination.

[Edited on May 27, 2016 at 1:57 AM. Reason : running out the clock]

5/27/2016 1:52:09 AM

That's actually a fair point. Also, caucuses are fucking retarded. A yelling contest is not a good way to pick candidates.

5/27/2016 1:58:07 AM

you could give Bernie all of the caucus votes cast and he'd still be down more than a million votes

5/27/2016 2:02:31 AM

The fact that the primaries last for such a long time and so many large population states vote late is a problem. There's very little reason for non representative, small states to carry so much weight simply because they go first. It would be much more logical to have a primary election day in May or if that isn't acceptable then perhaps do them in tighter clusters instead of spreading them out so much. I mean California is hugely important and populous but rarely has any voice in selecting the candidates which makes no sense at all.

There are a lot of problems with the primary system, and I suspect if you had a re-vote today Bernie would do much better in the South.

At minimum I don't think more than a handful of states should vote until there have been 3 televised debates.

5/27/2016 2:58:34 AM

It's dishonest to say that the democratic primary has been any kind of landslide

5/27/2016 6:46:01 AM

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"vota [sic] totals are useless when some states have caucuses"

100% right. and the results of the meaningless primaries in both Nebraska and Washington show that Clinton's lead in delegates and total votes (not to mention total turnout) would be even bigger if it were not for the caucuses

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-system-isnt-rigged-against-sanders/

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"you're too focused on a primary that's over/shitting on Clinton than a ton of Trump lies "

+1 of course you're probably just saying that because you're "angry"

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""routinely trounced""

you keep putting this in quotes, but I said "roundly trounced"

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"participating in another debate could actually cost her the nomination. "

lol nah. she's going to win NJ easily. and there is no way Bernie would make up 3+ million votes in California to make a case for superdelegate flips even if she did do poorly in a debate. but she wouldn't. because she would expose bernie's plans as the frauds that they are. just like trump, he's a million miles wide and an inch deep

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"It's dishonest to say that the democratic primary has been any kind of landslide"

it's certainly a landslide for one that has been contested as long as this one has. bernie's down by massive amounts and has no hope of making it up.

[Edited on May 27, 2016 at 8:39 AM. Reason : .]

5/27/2016 8:28:10 AM