gunzz IS NÚMERO UNO 68205 Posts user info edit post |
12/18/2013 11:05:08 AM |
Bullet All American 28414 Posts user info edit post |
so that was a fake page? why do that? boo 12/18/2013 11:11:07 AM |
gunzz IS NÚMERO UNO 68205 Posts user info edit post |
just the part folt 12/18/2013 12:25:54 PM |
bonerjamz 04 All American 3217 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/01/sports/as-for-athletes-but-charges-of-tar-heel-fraud.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Quote : | "A version of this article appears in print on January 1, 2014, on page A1 of the New York edition" |
1/1/2014 11:30:17 AM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
Hell yeah, big time. Burn it to the fucking ground 1/1/2014 1:23:21 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
Yep, first page of the paper edition on the NY fucking Times
And now Bloomberg
Quote : | "The Scandal Bowl: Tar Heels Football, Academic Fraud, and Implicit Racism" |
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-02/the-scandal-bowl-tar-heels-football-academic-fraud-and-implicit-racism1/2/2014 10:07:07 AM |
Doss2k All American 18474 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The impact could be–and ought to be–far broader than that of the Penn State child-rape debacle. That’s because the deceit in Chapel Hill points to more systemic weaknesses than the failure in University Park to stop one monster coach who preyed on little boys. And the Tar Heels fiasco adds race to the toxic mixture of athletics and rank hypocrisy." |
Couldn't agree more with this statement but it will never happen unfortunately.1/2/2014 10:18:10 AM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
The highest read 'Sports' story on the NYT this New Years day. 1/2/2014 11:04:13 AM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
Too bad nothing more will come from any of this. They got their terrible one year bowl ban and that is it. Who cares if this shit goes back decades and involves players from national championship teams??
Although I will say reading those articles makes me want to break out the popcorn.
[Edited on January 2, 2014 at 11:38 AM. Reason : cv] 1/2/2014 11:27:30 AM |
ctnz71 All American 7207 Posts user info edit post |
Wonder if these writers have seen Julius Peppers transcript. That alone tells the story 1/2/2014 12:09:51 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
Racism? Is that prong 4? 1/2/2014 12:55:08 PM |
Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
the Race Card™ is a stretch, but a good distraction point for UNCCH* really. i wouldn't be surprised at all if they decided the AFAM department would be a perfect fit for their scam just because they thought people would be afraid of being called racists if they did question the shenanigans. 1/2/2014 1:01:17 PM |
Førte All American 23525 Posts user info edit post |
good thing all that cheating paid off and they got that 8-4 ACC Coastal Division Championship* 1/2/2014 1:05:52 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
^^
They had this whole thing planned perfectly, but on flimsy grounds nonetheless.
1. Creating 'lecture' style classes but make them paper style? Why not have them paper style anyway? 2. Having conversation with the academic folks on record in emails, and the unnecessary banter included. "Driving a hard bargain"? "Frat boys have come to know of this?" 3. Forging grades of Profs in the same department, when all he could have done was make them Independent studies under Nyangaro himself. 4. Investigating themselves that first time which revealed the 54 fake classes. Why release the result when they knew what its consequences would be?
They were too arrogant to think they would get caught, but they went ahead and had a shitty contingency plan anyway if things went awry. LOL, what a fucking embarrassment of a school.
[Edited on January 2, 2014 at 1:20 PM. Reason : ] 1/2/2014 1:18:33 PM |
wlb420 All American 9053 Posts user info edit post |
interesting comment from the second article:
Quote : | "Specifically, the Carolina Alumni Review points out that Dr. Nyang’oro, the professor (and department head) at the center of the AAS athletic scandal, was employed by the University as a faculty member in 1988. Nyang’oro became the chair of the curriculum at issue in 1992. The Carolina Alumni Review also points out that Nyang’oro was the *first* and *only* department head.
As a matter of deduction, that means that African American Studies as a curriculum was created in 1992 when Nyang’oro was designated the first and only chair.
In 1992-1993, the University of North Carolina basketball team won the NCAA Men’s Basketball National Championship in New Orleans finishing the year with an impressive 34-4 record.
The starting line up for the 1993 National Champion Tar Heels consisted of George Lynch, Brian Reese, Donald Williams, Derrick Phelps, and Eric Montross.
The curriculum majors/minors for that group are as follows:
Lynch (Sr): African American Studies
Reese (Jr): Communications (minor in African American Studies)
D. Williams (So): African American Studies
Phelps (Jr): African American Studies
Montross (Jr): Communications
It seems worth pointing out that in the first year a curriculum for African American Studies existed at UNC (1992) 4 of 5 members of the starting lineup of the National Championship Basketball team immediately majored/minored in the brand new curriculum with Dr. Nyang’oro at the helm. In just one year, an almost entire team happened to migrate to one particular, and brand new, curriculum? " |
1/2/2014 1:25:24 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
Ha! 1992, when Duke started getting all the smart kids, and Dean had to recruit players like Rasheed and create a fake dept for them
[Edited on January 2, 2014 at 1:28 PM. Reason : ] 1/2/2014 1:27:46 PM |
NCSUMEB All American 2530 Posts user info edit post |
wlb^, It's unfortunate, but that statistic of the 1993 team has been out there for two years. Unbelieveable they have been able to keep it under wraps. As everyone knows, 1997 and prior, Swofford, the current commissioner of the ACC and of course Dean Smith were running the show at UNC. it amazes me how Swofford's name has completely stayed out of this. Not saying there is going to be any paper trail that points at him since he was last over there over 15 years ago, but very few in the media have even mentioned the conflict of interest he faces. Especially considering he led the revolt of AD's against Clemson's Danny Ford above and beyond what the NCAA did. 1/2/2014 1:31:12 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53063 Posts user info edit post |
ahahahaha. Comment from that article:
Quote : | "As a North Carolina taxpayer I would welcome an investigation from Freeh. What we've seen so far is equivalent to Sandusky conducting the Penn State investigation." |
1/4/2014 11:55:28 AM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
The only thing other schools can learn from the Freeh investigation is to NEVER let an external entity investigate you for your athletic problems 1/4/2014 6:44:31 PM |
Bullet All American 28414 Posts user info edit post |
The second article in Bloomsburg Businessweek in in the last week (from Friday)
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-01-06/unc-athletic-scandal-charges-of-fraud-could-be-tip-of-wider-revelations#r=lr-sr
Quote : | "The indictment of Crowder, a relatively low-level administrative figure, could crack open the case. It defies logic that Nyang’oro and his assistant would have operated a rogue department without the knowledge of more senior faculty members, if not top university administrators. It further defies reason that this pair would have created phony classes for athletes without the urging and participation of people in the UNC athletic bureaucracy. Nyang’oro and Crowder are going to have ample reason to sing as part of potential plea deals.
Even before that happens, according to Smith [UNC professor who's writing a book about the scandal], one or more well-positioned whistle-blowers are likely to go public and start naming names if they think the powers that be are planning to isolate Crowder and Nyang’oro as the sole villains. This thing goes much higher, and there’s much more to come from Chapel Hill." |
1/6/2014 10:07:29 AM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
Can't wait for the book. 1/6/2014 10:26:01 AM |
HCH All American 3895 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "This thing goes much higher, and there’s much more to come from Chapel Hill."" |
1/6/2014 10:51:59 AM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
That guy Jay Smith is awesome. He is literally the only person connected to UNC that seems to actually want all the truth to come out. I am surprised he has not had a "car accident" yet due to "faulty brake lines" or something along those lines that resulted in death or a coma 1/6/2014 1:48:50 PM |
Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
this was published yesterday... didn't know about it until i was looking for the one from NYT on 12/31
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/06/opinion/acing-the-course-at-chapel-hill.html 1/6/2014 4:01:07 PM |
DoeoJ has 7062 Posts user info edit post |
ha dude is writing a book, saw a chance to make his name i guess. gotta get published in academia.
hell, i'll probably buy a copy 1/6/2014 4:05:08 PM |
aimorris All American 15213 Posts user info edit post |
I will probably buy 4 or 5 1/6/2014 4:10:26 PM |
NCSUMEB All American 2530 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "That guy Jay Smith is awesome. He is literally the only person connected to UNC that seems to actually want all the truth to come out. I am surprised he has not had a "car accident" yet due to "faulty brake lines" or something along those lines that resulted in death or a coma" |
J Smith is the only one speaking up publicly. He is the figure head for whomever over there in the faculty is fed up with their profession/careers being thrown under the bus for a few basketball banners. I'm sure he represents many, many more. Same with Willingham. UNC can't do anything to them or there would be massive whistle blower lawsuit and even more evidence would have to be revealed as well as non stop coverage which UNC needs to avoid. I'd say he probably lost his seats to the Dome if he had them though, but I doubt he had them in the first place.1/6/2014 4:17:15 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Dan Kane ?@dankanenando 16m Just did an interview with All Things Considered's Audie Cornish on the UNC academic scandal, should be on between 4:45 and 5 p.m. today." |
1/6/2014 4:29:20 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53063 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.dirtydankane.com 1/6/2014 9:40:51 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
LOL, good to see Carl Carey now begging Dan Kane to stop. 1/6/2014 10:10:23 PM |
Bullet All American 28414 Posts user info edit post |
[old, january 1st]: http://www.universityherald.com/articles/6531/20140101/unc-academic-scandal-lasted-more-than-a-decade-and-saw-hundreds-of-forged-faculty-signatures.htm
https://www.facebook.com/UNCCheats?fref=ts 1/7/2014 10:22:24 AM |
jbtilley All American 12797 Posts user info edit post |
^If that's true they should have to do 10 hours community service and have until the end of the semester to pay back $3.50. Anything above and beyond would be too harsh a punishment and may send the wrong message.
[Edited on January 7, 2014 at 11:08 AM. Reason : -] 1/7/2014 11:08:23 AM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html
Quote : | "As a graduate student at UNC-Greensboro, Willingham researched the reading levels of 183 UNC-Chapel Hill athletes who played football or basketball from 2004 to 2012. She found that 60% read between fourth- and eighth-grade levels. Between 8% and 10% read below a third-grade level. "So what are the classes they are going to take to get a degree here? You cannot come here with a third-, fourth- or fifth-grade education and get a degree here," she told CNN." |
Well since they have a pretty good APR apparently you can. 1/7/2014 4:54:43 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
Looks like 70% of UNC athletes are gonna be mad when someone reads this article out to them 1/7/2014 4:56:22 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
To be clear though I don't imagine its much different at a lot of schools. The problem with UNC has always been:
1. The holier than thou mentality 2. Not playing by the same rules as everyone else/fraud/cheating.
I think there's value in having universities cover a broader range of educational needs. Not everyone who goes to college has to be on an engineering or phd level. I would love for the athletes to get actually appropriate education, but everyone needs to be on the same playing field as far as academic requirements for athletes. 1/7/2014 5:02:10 PM |
Fry The Stubby 7784 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " -- Some athletes don't aim for high scores when taking entrance exams, looking only to score high enough to become NCAA eligible. Most athletes are just going to be lazy, and their scores reflect that, because they'll get in anyway -- Many times, low scores are indicators of learning disabilities. Really?... come on, man -- Entrance exams are just one factor taken into consideration when deciding whether to accept a student-athlete. Other factors: 1) can he/she ball? 2) how many stahs? 3) ability to drive expensive cars with weed and guns (not getting caught is preferred, but not necessarily required) " |
[Edited on January 7, 2014 at 5:14 PM. Reason : ]1/7/2014 5:13:35 PM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
Spill Da Beans
Quote : | "Sara Ganim @sganim 12m Even though she’s been vocal about what she saw inside UNC, the NCAA has never interviewed Mary Willingham.
Sara Ganim @sganim 12m One of the saddest anecdotes From Mary: An athlete who would make progress with reading, then forget it all. Too many concussions.
Sara Ganim ?@sganim 12m (cont.) “Clearly they're not telling them the truth about what they're going to have to do.” Mary Willingham.
Sara Ganim @sganim 13m This didn’t make the piece, but Willingham says one recruit was promised he could study at UNC to become a barber. (cont.)
Sara Ganim @sganim 12m (cont.) “He seriously thought he was coming to Carolina, literally, to learn to cut hair.” Mary Willingham. " |
Sadly she'll be declared a hero instead of people realizing the fact she was complicit in all this bullshit.1/7/2014 5:14:19 PM |
modlin All American 2642 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Sara Ganim ?@sganim 19m
This didn’t make the piece, but Willingham says one recruit was promised he could study at UNC to become a barber. (cont.)" |
1/7/2014 5:19:39 PM |
Prawn Star All American 7643 Posts user info edit post |
^^complicit? She's a whistleblower and has been for some time. 1/7/2014 5:22:57 PM |
qwery2 Veteran 261 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.npr.org/2014/01/06/260265169/unc-may-have-passed-football-players-with-phantom-classes
The Dan Kane interview from yesterday on NPR mentioned above. Nothing we didn't already know, but the more news outlets there are that report on this, the better. 1/7/2014 6:18:56 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
^^ Yep, we need to firmly be on #TeamWillingham.
[Edited on January 7, 2014 at 6:33 PM. Reason : ] 1/7/2014 6:32:32 PM |
ncsudude11 All American 867 Posts user info edit post |
thought this was relevant
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/07/us/ncaa-athletes-reading-scores/index.html 1/7/2014 7:01:34 PM |
xienze All American 7341 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | ""So what are the classes they are going to take to get a degree here? You cannot come here with a third-, fourth- or fifth-grade education and get a degree here," she told CNN." |
Or can you?1/7/2014 7:04:01 PM |
ncsuapex SpaceForRent 37776 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "And then another came with this request: "If I could teach him to read well enough so he could read about himself in the news, because that was something really important to him," Willingham said. " |
1/7/2014 7:08:07 PM |
The Coz Tempus Fugitive 26097 Posts user info edit post |
[Edited on January 7, 2014 at 9:41 PM. Reason : Embed didn't work.]
1/7/2014 9:40:53 PM |
swedish All American 891 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "When Willingham worked as a learning specialist for athletes from 2003 to 2010, she admits she took part in cheating, signing her name to forms that said she witnessed no NCAA rules violations when in fact she did. But the NCAA, the college sports organizing body, never interviewed her. Instead, it found no rules had been broken at Chapel Hill." |
C'mon Man!!!!1/7/2014 10:04:56 PM |
fenway All American 3135 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Looks like 70% of UNC athletes are gonna be mad when someone reads this article out to them" |
1/8/2014 12:48:42 AM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
^ Sorry was that you on PP? 1/8/2014 1:03:10 AM |
Bullet All American 28414 Posts user info edit post |
it's the top story on CNN now 1/8/2014 9:34:45 AM |
Lionheart I'm Eggscellent 12775 Posts user info edit post |
^4 & ^*
I'm all for her spilling the beans and tearing the university a new one, I just hate she'll be lauded for it when she spend years participating in it. I don't consider you a whistle blower if you go public AFTER all the shit has already come out and been around for a while. 1/8/2014 10:30:04 AM |