yea thats one of the few things that were diff in these first movies that i actually thought looked cool

5/26/2005 10:56:01 AM

It's not a matter of why Palpatine had it done because of the order the movies were made-- it's a question of "How are we going to make excuses and justifications that will make sense and cohesively bind the universe without offending anyone's cognitive reasoning abilities?"

There was -some- variation in IV, V, and VI in storm trooper uniforms and Death Star/stardestroyer employees. The technicians wore those silly ass wide brimmed vader-wannabe hats; the red guard is easily distinguishable for obvious reasons; I think the stormtroopers on Endor had different uniforms, too, but someone more knowledgable can confirm that.

5/26/2005 11:04:16 AM

The troopers on Endor did have different uniforms. I think they were supposed to be scout troopers or something like that.

5/26/2005 11:11:20 AM

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"the red guard is easily distinguishable for obvious reasons"

the red quard has been continuous throughout the entire series (even before the clones)

maybe the uniform hasn't been exactly the same, but they've been red and their style hasn't changed all that much

[Edited on May 26, 2005 at 11:16 AM. Reason : asdf]

5/26/2005 11:16:22 AM

5/26/2005 11:27:30 AM

i always thought storm troopers were clones too

who ever said kamino ever stopped making clones for the republic/empire?

5/26/2005 11:30:23 AM

Yes, yes, I am keenly aware that the uniforms themselves are different. The complete lack of color in Stormtroopers is what makes me curious, though. By and large, they are all just white and black (with Sandtroopers being the exception because of their shoulder pauldron).

5/26/2005 11:32:20 AM

Aren't all the stormtroopers trained at The Academy? Or something like that.

5/26/2005 9:39:01 PM

Going to see it tonite.

5/26/2005 9:42:05 PM

^^^

Take a soldier from 20 years ago and a soldier from today and their uniforms will look different. Whether it be functionality or someone thinking that a new beret will improve morale, they're always making changes.

5/26/2005 9:44:28 PM

I have watched episode VI a few times sence seeing episode III (partly cause it was my favorite and partly cause it was the only thing in blockbuster), and one of the things that sticks out now is that Luke seems to "blindly" support the jedi in the end whereas there was always a conflict with Anakin. Hayden really made it seem like a struggle when he attacked Mace and ultimately sided with the dark side after an emotional battle.

Basically, it seems like Hayden did a better Anakin than Hamil did a Luke.

5/26/2005 9:54:26 PM

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"Hayden really made it seem like a struggle when he attacked Mace and ultimately sided with the dark side after an emotional battle."

he didn't make it seem like a struggle, he made it seem like he went to the dark side in two minutes. at first he was yelling at mace "it's not the jedi way!!!" and then not two minutes later he was all like "yeah i'll be a sith lord." i thought it was a terrible transformation.

5/26/2005 10:03:02 PM

Initially, it was easy for Luke to side with the good side though. The Jedi were embodied in Obi-Wan Kenobi, his "father" (according to Obi-Wan), and Yoda. The Sith was embodied in the Emperor ("It's not like I like the Empire, I hate it"), and Darth Vader--the man who betrayed and murdered Luke's father AND Obi-Wan Kenobi. Luke doesn't have the disgruntled relationship with the Jedi that Anakin had.

5/26/2005 10:04:14 PM

Anyone know anything about John Williams' musical influences, aside from The Planets- Mars, Bringer of War by Gustav Holst ? I was just listening to that today, and you can definetly hear the resembelence-- its kinda neat. anyyone recommend any others tracks to listen to?

5/26/2005 10:31:25 PM

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"It does kinda make me wonder why Palpatine had all of the colors and distinguishing features removed from the armor, though. I guess the lack of distinction makes the Stormtroopers a bit more harsh."

go back to my section of the clone playback

all clones are equal, some clones are more equal than others

seriously, i would buy the shit out of some of those figures

5/26/2005 10:47:14 PM

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"he didn't make it seem like a struggle, he made it seem like he went to the dark side in two minutes. at first he was yelling at mace "it's not the jedi way!!!" and then not two minutes later he was all like "yeah i'll be a sith lord." i thought it was a terrible transformation."

exactly how i felt, it just seemed like all of a sudden he decided, ok, i'll be evil now

5/26/2005 10:53:52 PM

anakin started leaning in episode 2

and if you saw the clone wars cartoon

it wasn't that much of a leap

seemed like his last allegiances were just to padme and obi-wan

and he was already frustrated with those two

the jedi stuff was secondary to his own personal attatchments

[Edited on May 26, 2005 at 11:31 PM. Reason : .]

5/26/2005 11:31:09 PM

i'm gonna buy some action figures soon

5/27/2005 12:25:03 AM

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"Anyone know anything about John Williams' musical influences, aside from The Planets- Mars, Bringer of War by Gustav Holst"

if you listen to some of these people, john williams is a thief and should never write music again

5/27/2005 12:25:41 AM

I checked the stores here, but couldn't find any of the troopers.

5/27/2005 12:48:15 AM

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"The troopers on Endor did have different uniforms. I think they were supposed to be scout troopers or something like that."

Scout Troopers with almost identical gear are on Kashyyyk with the Wookiees in Episode III.

[Edited on May 27, 2005 at 1:52 AM. Reason : .]

5/27/2005 1:45:25 AM

http://vaderremix.ytmnd.com/

anyone else see the Drunk Vader clip on G4?

[Edited on May 27, 2005 at 3:09 AM. Reason : .]

5/27/2005 3:03:56 AM

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"exactly how i felt, it just seemed like all of a sudden he decided, ok, i'll be evil now"

So all of that talk of "I'm frustrated with the council", "The Jedi don't trust you", "The Jedi asked you to be dishonest", etc had absolutely nothing to do with it?

Do people need to write this stuff on a donut for you?

5/27/2005 8:05:18 AM

no he was trying with all of those things to make the transition well but it also seemed sorta sudden to me during the movie. he's like 'oh no! i didnt mean to do that! i shouldnt have killed a jedi omg omg " and then 2 seconds later hes like "rahr im evil! evil jedi!"

5/27/2005 8:14:49 AM

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"seriously, i would buy the shit out of some of those figures"

You and me both.

I found a nice custom of Commander Bly for you, by the way.



Someone took the red Clone Commander #33 figure and simply repainted it. Pretty good work, I should say.

What I really want is a Commander Cody figure, though. It should come with a removable helmet like the AT-TE Tank Gunner, and should also have a little handheld hologram of Palpatine telling him to execute Order 66. I know the collectors and army builders would jump all over those.

5/27/2005 9:15:55 AM

can you buy these types of figures totally unpainted? like say maybe at one of those shops that sells the model figures for this little fantasy war games?

5/27/2005 9:21:19 AM

Probably.

5/27/2005 9:23:17 AM

i hope. ive recently had an urge to start messing with model painting for some reason. right now i just paint larger things like these 8" tall gnome statues

5/27/2005 9:24:51 AM

that is a bad ass screen shot
and when i get home, its gonna be my wallpaper

5/27/2005 9:44:29 AM

Why is it that, even though they are good friends, Chewie seems to take orders from Han Solo?

did Han save his life sometime or something?

5/27/2005 9:47:50 AM

yes

5/27/2005 9:53:54 AM

its like the pilot for the show they did on seinfeld

5/27/2005 9:55:24 AM

Was this in one of the movies and I just forgot about it?

If not, could someone explain please (you know you want to)?

5/27/2005 10:23:32 AM

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22han+solo%22+chewbacca+%22life+debt%22

5/27/2005 10:24:39 AM

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"exactly how i felt, it just seemed like all of a sudden he decided, ok, i'll be evil now"

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"So all of that talk of "I'm frustrated with the council", "The Jedi don't trust you", "The Jedi asked you to be dishonest", etc had absolutely nothing to do with it? Do people need to write this stuff on a donut for you?"

yes, you can see how he is becoming disenchanted with the jedis, but its still a big leap to go from "it's not the jedi way" to "ok i'll become evil and slaughter little children" in two minutes.

5/27/2005 10:50:53 AM

^exactly

5/27/2005 10:51:47 AM

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"anakin started leaning in episode 2 (where he had ALREADY slaughtered women and children) and if you saw the clone wars cartoon (he becomes possessed in a cave) it wasn't that much of a leap (to episode 3) seemed like his last allegiances were just to padme and obi-wan and he was already frustrated with those two the jedi stuff was secondary to his own personal attatchments"

and palpatine had mind control over deebo and gave it an extra push

[Edited on May 27, 2005 at 11:04 AM. Reason : +]

5/27/2005 11:01:16 AM

Well, it's official. I've gone overboard.

http://www.axelay.net/Clones/Clone%20Reference.html

I spent the last half hour slapping together a little page which would have a definitive pic of each of the different types of Clone Troopers from ROTS. There's still a lot of confusion about who is what, so I'm also asking members of the rebelscum.com community to help me finish it.

5/27/2005 11:35:02 AM

^why are all those commanders in the field during battles anyway? couldn't they command much more effectively in a command center or something along those lines?

5/27/2005 11:39:57 AM

hahaha

5/27/2005 11:42:19 AM

Well they seem to have instant communication with all their troops, so location doesn't really matter.

Then again, in AoTC the commanders did stay behind.


^^^ cool site.

^ Don't hate

[Edited on May 27, 2005 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

5/27/2005 11:43:49 AM

Remote command makes you vulnerable to communication disruption, and it doesn't make for very good morale.

5/27/2005 11:44:06 AM

All I know is, some of those pics really make me wanna get the Visual Dictionary.

5/27/2005 11:46:00 AM

well my main point is that it i figured it would be difficult for a commander to see the big picture if he were out fighting with the troops, but mostly i would think that it would be better to have a safe commander (especially if he is good) than to have him exposed to the same dangers as the grunts.

anyway, it's just a small detail

[Edited on May 27, 2005 at 11:52 AM. Reason : ]

5/27/2005 11:49:13 AM

That's...that's, like, the whole point of the chain of command. Effective leaders are more removed and conduct war in broad strokes; then you have leaders closer to certain centers of action, closer and closer in, until eventually you HAVE to have SOMEONE working directly with the soldiers. The battlefield isn't made up of individuals, you know. What, you think you're gonna get a couple hundred dudes to decide to suit up and go fight some people just because some asshole on the other end of a radio told them to?

5/27/2005 11:58:03 AM

Yeah, I got a laugh out of the scene when Cody bends down to pick up Obi-Wan's lightsaber, and the guy right beside him gets shot.

5/27/2005 11:58:58 AM

^^ i understand the chain of command, i just assumed that these commanders were very high up on it (aren't they something like division or battalion commanders?), but if they aren't then it makes perfect sense for them to be right there with the troops.

5/27/2005 12:02:25 PM

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"Kashyyyk"

it seems a bit excessive to have three of the same letter in a row

5/27/2005 12:03:06 PM

Hey, I didn't name the place.

5/27/2005 12:44:29 PM

I actually found that name on Axelay's Clone Trooper page, I didn't read your post

5/27/2005 12:58:13 PM