You're nuts if you don't think a guy with his array of shots,floaters , and accuracy on midrange jumpers canot develop a reliable 3 point shot in the NBA.

He hit over 50% last year for God's sake.

I didn't bother watching us play but 4 games this year because we sucked but from what i saw most of his threes were forced because the defense was clogging the lane or shading heavily his way. Combine thatwith fatigue issues from his high usage rate/minutes and I think he's probably closer to 34-38% shooter on a handful less attempts/higher quality shots.

Give him two years to develop NBA range and I'd be surprised if he can't hit 33-36% like a Harrison Barnes except without the terrible 2pt% and rebounding numbers.

3/25/2014 3:15:27 PM

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"it'd be a mistake for him to come back."

i disagree!

3/25/2014 6:54:51 PM

Would love to have had TJ back, but he's earned his paycheck. I hope he adjusts well to the NBA game and has a long career. I'm not sure he has enough left to prove on an individual level to warrant coming back and hoping to move from #15 range in the draft to top 10. It seems risky. I'm pretty sure I'd go if I were in his situation.

I'm only disappointed that we couldn't translate his talent into more team success. He was a bright spot on a talented, but disappointing 2012-13 team and then made a leap and carried a weaker team to overacheive this year (despite the heartbreaking losses, this team still overacheived).

3/25/2014 8:17:34 PM

i really don't think i'm being crazy when i say the following: warren isn't being guided by a 27 year old aau coach and a mom that has no idea what's going on. basically any former player will tell you to stay in school. he turned down florida, kentucky and north carolina, among others, to come to nc state, so he is likely on some level trying to fulfill some childhood dreams. he sees the team he's playing on and he knows who's coming in, and most certainly realizes that he could potentially achieve a lot. and to boot, everything you hear about the draft these days is how the nba wants older, more complete and mature players. he has very clear flaws in his game on both ends of the floor, and has two free years to fix them before he competes for playing time in the nba.

for real, that's not crazy, is it? i'm definitely being a homer, but i'm not being crazy, am i?

3/25/2014 8:26:54 PM

There is also the fact some guys realize the college years only happen once and want to enjoy them if they can. Once you go pro basketball becomes more of a business than purely fun. Maybe he wants to enjoy one more year of just playing free fun basketball and earn his degree. Every guy is different and has different motivations.

3/25/2014 8:34:07 PM

recent history suggests that you're better off leaving when your stock as is high as it's going to get as opposed to staying and having a brighter spotlight on you/another full year of scouts picking apart your game

what more does he have to prove that would also cause his stock to rise? he isn't athletic enough to be a top-5 pick and that certainly won't change if he stays another year

every little flaw that his offensive game has can be fixed by professional coaching, not another year of being on campus

it'd be great as a fan of the team if he came back, but it'd be better for him if he left, so I'm going with what's best for him

hell, look at what happened to Hodge

3/25/2014 8:34:14 PM

that's only the right move if you think that your first nba contract is going to be your only nba contract.

3/25/2014 9:19:39 PM

he should just transfer to Wisconsin

3/25/2014 9:22:07 PM

But what about his free education? Why wouldn't he stahhahahahahahahaha oh man

3/25/2014 9:29:42 PM

We just need the NBA to go on strike real quick. That'll keep him around. Or maybe he'd get to experience Europe.

3/25/2014 9:38:36 PM

We need a miracle. Good things never happen to us. Break the curse tj ! Fulfill the prophecy.

3/25/2014 9:55:24 PM

This is a TJ Warren appreciation thread, not a "Beg TJ to stay" thread

3/25/2014 9:58:20 PM

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"hell, look at what happened to Hodge"

Not really the same. Hodge was always limited in his nba potential by not being able to shoot.

3/25/2014 10:01:58 PM

he would have been drafted higher had he left after his junior year, more than likely to a team other than the Nuggets, playing for a coach other than George Karl (who Hodge absolutely abhors)

3/25/2014 10:13:42 PM

Probably wouldn't have gotten shot either

3/25/2014 11:08:16 PM

3rd team NABC All-American.

(CJ Fair was 2nd team, Jabari 1st)

http://www.nabc.org/awards/all_america/division_I/2014_NABC_Coaches-_Division_I_All-America_team_release.pdf

3/26/2014 9:15:29 AM

never heard of the nabc, but i can see why i haven't.

[Edited on March 26, 2014 at 9:20 AM. Reason : ]

3/26/2014 9:20:08 AM

you've never heard of the national association of basketball coaches? it's not like it's some obscure group.

3/26/2014 9:25:40 AM

if i haven't seen it, it's new to me.

3/26/2014 9:29:49 AM

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"i really don't think i'm being crazy when i say the following: warren isn't being guided by a 27 year old aau coach and a mom that has no idea what's going on. basically any former player will tell you to stay in school. he turned down florida, kentucky and north carolina, among others, to come to nc state, so he is likely on some level trying to fulfill some childhood dreams. he sees the team he's playing on and he knows who's coming in, and most certainly realizes that he could potentially achieve a lot. and to boot, everything you hear about the draft these days is how the nba wants older, more complete and mature players. he has very clear flaws in his game on both ends of the floor, and has two free years to fix them before he competes for playing time in the nba."

None of this is crazy.

I wonder if Paige and McAdoo deciding to stay, and the possibility of Jabari staying is keeping TJ from finalizing a decision to go? We all like to pretend we're individuals and snowflakes, but more often than not we trend towards the decisions our peers and contemporaries make.

[Edited on March 26, 2014 at 9:35 AM. Reason : r]

3/26/2014 9:35:29 AM

3rd team All American

Too bad he wasn't wearing a shade of blue or he would've been all over the first team

just chalk it up to more NC State shit!!!!!

3/26/2014 10:37:57 AM

aren't TJ's parents pretty well off too? Color me confused if he did stay.

3/27/2014 2:23:21 AM

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"We all like to pretend we're individuals and snowflakes, but more often than not we trend towards the decisions our peers and contemporaries make."

I hear ya, but Warren actually is a special snowflake.

3/27/2014 7:19:17 AM

This is an excellent opportunity for somebody to shop TJ's face into a snowflake

3/27/2014 7:21:56 AM

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"he would have been drafted higher had he left after his junior year"

I don't think Hodge ever would have gotten drafted higher than he did. I'm surprised he got picked in the first round. His limitations were well known.

I still think he could have done alright if he hadn't gotten picked by the Nuggets and gotten shot.

3/27/2014 7:29:07 AM

^^My first Photoshop:



I have a serious time management problem.

3/27/2014 11:17:11 AM

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"We all thought Lorenzo was NBA ready"

nah, not all.

3/27/2014 12:09:58 PM

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"aren't TJ's parents pretty well off too? Color me confused if he did stay. "

He's not Cedric Simmons poor...but I heard his dad works at a Lowe's or something...so he's not rolling in it either.

3/27/2014 12:14:44 PM

I hope this is what keeps him around another year.....legacy

[Edited on March 27, 2014 at 12:25 PM. Reason : ...]

3/27/2014 12:24:46 PM

Was there supposed to be some sort of formal announcement today? Perhaps I misheard.

3/27/2014 1:15:36 PM

He was supposed to be meeting with his family to discuss it today.

3/27/2014 1:24:43 PM

I'll say this -- I think Warren is gone, and no one could blame him. He's being projected in the lottery on some sites. Yeah, he needs work on his jumper and FT's, but those are things he can get sorted out in the pros just as easily as college.

That said, NC State means more to him than most players. There's been quite a few articles where he talks about the bball history and the great players who have played here. Most of that probably has to do with his dad.

I think the chance to stay another year, potentially lead us to an ACC title, and become an all-time great at NC State (someone who's mentioned in the same sentence as David Thompson) means a lot to TJ .... maybe moreso than any player we've had here in a while.

Not saying any of that happens, and not saying it's enough to bring him back, but it's something at least.

3/27/2014 2:40:40 PM

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"become an all-time great at NC State"

you could argue he's already done this. ACC POY puts you in pretty good company at state.

that said, i obviously wish he'd stay

3/27/2014 2:44:34 PM

what an overrated piece of shit

have fun going down the same path as Julius Hodge

3/27/2014 9:15:24 PM

surprised you know who Hodge is

3/27/2014 9:18:55 PM

^^You should post a clarification that you're trying to make a joke.

You are joking, right?

3/27/2014 9:38:40 PM

hopefully he gets drafted into a good situation...he could have a really solid NBA career

3/27/2014 9:40:12 PM

^^0.3% of his 100k+ posts are in Sports Talk, if that helps

3/27/2014 9:40:59 PM

CC
JJ
CJ
TJ?

3/27/2014 10:10:47 PM

^whats that in reference to?

3/27/2014 10:13:45 PM

Did he confirm it? The only thing I can find is the sources stuff

3/27/2014 10:42:51 PM

it took me a second to notice too: that's a BubbleBobble post.

3/27/2014 11:18:00 PM

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"3rd team All American"

Lol at 10 players in college ball being better than TJW this year

3/27/2014 11:19:30 PM

just actually read this old article and realized how much the media actually hates us.

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"Warren has decided to leave NC State and turn pro, according to Yahoo! Sports. He hasn't officially told the Wolfpack staff about his intentions, but they're expecting him to go pro. "That was the plan," a source told CBSSports.com."

so who said what? bs article.

3/29/2014 4:33:49 AM

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"I still think he could have done alright if he hadn't gotten picked by the Nuggets and gotten shot."

That unc grad George Karl sabatoged his career.

3/29/2014 7:09:32 AM

I thought everyone kind of cringed when Hodge went first round. We all kind of knew he wasn't going to be an impact player. But, perhaps he could have found his NBA niche under better circumstances.

3/29/2014 7:18:23 AM

correct me if i'm wrong, but are people actually arguing that hodge should've left earlier b/c then he would have been picked by anyone but the nuggets and then he might've found his niche in the nba and had a longer career? just b/c he might have been picked by a different team?

3/29/2014 12:57:11 PM

I dont think anyone was arguing that he should've left early, I think they were just saying that Denver was a shitty landing spot for him. I dont really agree with that, unless you want to point out Denver's strangely high athlete shooting rate at the time as being a reason he would've been better off somewhere else.

3/29/2014 5:09:21 PM

I blame Quin Snyder

feel free to ask me why

[Edited on March 29, 2014 at 5:23 PM. Reason : nnn]

3/29/2014 5:22:22 PM

^why?

3/29/2014 5:40:38 PM