aaaaaaaaaaaandddd back to AC.

6/3/2005 4:31:28 PM

Well, FeebleMinded considering you think party poker is rigged I question your competence sometimes.

6/4/2005 2:03:44 PM

im doing an experiment

i will report back with the results

6/4/2005 2:07:09 PM

this one time, i played poker and i actualy won a hand

6/4/2005 3:01:01 PM

nice flop for me.

6/4/2005 11:01:16 PM

HOLY SHIT!!!!@



heads up tourney...


Getting Hand History Information...
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Hand #6338202-114 at TurboSnG-0010n (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 05/Jun/05 13:07:29

RVoegele is at seat 4 with 3540.
mr aardvark is at seat 9 with 11460.
The button is at seat 4.

RVoegele posts the small blind of 400.
mr aardvark posts the big blind of 800.

RVoegele: Ac As
mr aardvark: -- --

Pre-flop:

RVoegele raises to 1600. mr aardvark re-raises to
4800. RVoegele goes all-in for 3540. mr aardvark is
returned 1260 (uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

RVoegele shows Ac As.
mr aardvark shows Kh Kd.


Flop (board: 3c 8c Qh):

(no action in this round)


Turn (board: 3c 8c Qh 6s):

(no action in this round)


River (board: 3c 8c Qh 6s 3s):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

RVoegele has Ac As 3c Qh 3s: two pair, aces and threes.
mr aardvark has Kh Kd 3c Qh 3s: two pair, kings and threes.


Hand #6338202-114 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
RVoegele wins 7080 with two pair, aces and threes.
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6/5/2005 1:09:05 PM

Wow, you won with pocket aces. Damn you are good

6/5/2005 3:41:21 PM

you stupid fucker,

AA v. KK heads up...

not exactly an everyday thing.

6/5/2005 4:11:10 PM

I've seen it happen many times online, as I am sure most people on here have also.

6/5/2005 5:09:38 PM

Royal Flush #2.... this time of the 6 card variety.

Seat 1: ahalp ($1,050 in chips)
Seat 2: jtdragon ($2,270 in chips)
Seat 3: fatcat01 ($1,805 in chips)
Seat 4: buckbuster45 ($525 in chips)
Seat 5: DrOldSchool [AD,10D] ($2,090 in chips)
Seat 6: Odwalla ($1,535 in chips)
Seat 9: kadkins53 ($3,995 in chips)
Seat 10: bubbaloooie ($1,730 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
fatcat01 posts blind ($15), buckbuster45 posts blind ($30).

PRE-FLOP
DrOldSchool bets $100, Odwalla folds, kadkins53 calls $100, bubbaloooie folds, ahalp folds, jtdragon calls $100, fatcat01 folds, buckbuster45 calls $70.

FLOP [board cards QD,2H,JD ]
buckbuster45 bets $425 and is all-in, DrOldSchool calls $425, kadkins53 folds, jtdragon calls $425.

TURN [board cards QD,2H,JD,KD ]
DrOldSchool checks, jtdragon checks.

RIVER [board cards QD,2H,JD,KD,9D ]
DrOldSchool bets $650, jtdragon bets $1,745 and is all-in, DrOldSchool calls $915 and is all-in.

SHOWDOWN
jtdragon shows [ JH,AC ]
buckbuster45 shows [ QH,9S ]
DrOldSchool shows [ AD,10D ]
jtdragon wins $180, DrOldSchool wins $3,130, DrOldSchool wins $1,690.
SUMMARY
Dealer: jtdragon
Pot: $5,000
ahalp, loses $0
jtdragon, bets $2,270, collects $180, net -$2,090
fatcat01, loses $15
buckbuster45, loses $525
DrOldSchool, bets $2,090, collects $4,820, net $2,730
Odwalla, loses $0
kadkins53, loses $100
bubbaloooie, loses $0

6/6/2005 1:15:08 AM

What is the proper move here? It's a situation with a dealer fuck up costs me money, despite the fact it was ony one small bet. My question really pretains to the proper move from the dealer. BTW, if youve only ever played home games, online, or the trash 2/4 in a casino, unless you've been to dealer school or can cite a reference, don't bother.

The situation:

6/12 LHE in AC. I am seat one, and that plays a role into the play of the hand.

Im in the SB, in a semi-loose/passive game. got one real drunk ass guy that has dumped over 2K at the table in a few hours. This has drawn attention by some local sharps and walkers (guys who roam the floor looking for a profitable seat.. will sit long enough to win one pot and move on.) This in turn has tightened the game up to isolate against this guy. He's gone to the restroom currently, and it folds around to the button, who merely calls. (button is at seat 10, remember this) i complete with a 35s, and the BB checks.

Flop: Ah, 4s, 9d.

Missed me in a small pot, i check. BB looks down, and fingers his chips. Dealer looks over to his complete other side (seat 10), for the button's action. The button checked, and milliseconds before the dealer burns a card, the BB bets $6. Everyone at the table looks at him, but the turn card is face up. The dealer says that the BB checked, but in reality he was contemplating a bet, and with a short stack it apparently was a bit of a decision. I did not see him check, and no one else at the table did either. So the button acted out of turn, and the dealer proceeded with the action.

Heres the problem. My thought would be that this bet would be pulled back and disregarded. however, the dealer left the turn card face up, and told us that we needed to repeat the action on the flop. So, I checked, and the BB bet. ($6, a small bet) the button calls. the card was a 6c, leaving me openended, and getting 5:1 and implied odds due to the BB representing an ace. So of course i was suckered into calling here. I thought i was getting a turn card on the cheap, and that the river would be dealt. (the hand was bat-shit crazy so far, why not let that complete the action. This is where I thought the dealer was going.) However, the dealer proceeded to call for the 4th street action. I look at him, and check, the BB bets out $12, and the button folds. Now I'm not getting nearly as good of a value, so I fold. The BB flips a limped AK.

My question is, if this happens, shouldnt the exposed 6 be shown to the table, and either left as a burn card or reshuffled into the remainder of the deck? I hardly think that leaving it up as the turn, and asking for two betting rounds was the proper move here.

As i said before, it didnt really hurt me that much, but didnt seem right. I didnt think to ask the floor about it later that night, and it damn sure wasnt enough to call the floor over right then.

Whats the call?

6/6/2005 8:36:22 AM

http://www.pokerlistings.com/poker-rules-explanations

Quote :

"“If the dealer turns the fourth card on the board before the betting round is complete, the card is taken out of play for that round, even if subsequent players elect to fold. The betting is then completed. The dealer burns and turns what would have been the fifth card in the fourth card’s place. After this round of betting, the dealer reshuffles the deck, including the card that was taken out of play, but not including the burncards or discards. The dealer then cuts the deck and turns the final card without burning a card. (If the fifth card is turned up prematurely, the deck is reshuffled and dealt in the same manner.)” "

6/6/2005 9:56:41 AM

I would definitely have called the casino guy over. That sounds pretty shady. Those dealers are often just immigrants who can barely speak English, and they have no idea what they are doing.

I remember I was playing in a tournament at Atlantic City, and it was the very first hand. We all started with $10,000 in chips, and the board ended up being like KQJ10x, with no pairing or flush possibilities, so obviously anyone holding an A had the nuts. Well, after some raising and reraising, 2 guys went all-in, and split the pot. When the hand was over, Guy A counted his chips and realized he had less than $10,000 in chips, which of course should be impossible since he had played only 1 hand and won it.

Well, as it turned out, Guy B had not actually pushed his chips into the middle when he called the all-in, so when the dealer split them up, he basically split up all of Guy A's chips, and only some of Guy B's. The dealer, however, refused to admit his mistake, or even acknowledge that something could be wrong. He simply kept saying in a thick foreign accent "I do my job, I split chips in half."

This obviously infuriated Guy A. Guy B, immediately realizing the mistake, even offered to give Guy A the chips he was owed (basically Guy A and B should have identical stacks) but the dealer refused. The tournament director was called over, and after about 15 minutes of explaining, the right action was taken, and Guy A and B each ended up having about $11,000 in chips. It turned out to be pretty shitty though, because the whole ordeal ended up taking almost an entire round of blinds, which is not good for a tight-aggressive player like myself who likes to see lots of hands.

This got me to thinking, I wonder how often dealers mess up. It was caught this time ONLY because it was the very first hand of the day. However, most other screw-ups would not be caught. That's one upside of online poker.

6/6/2005 10:00:21 AM

Quote :

"can cite a reference"

good man. thats about what i thought, thanks. i'm at work with internet filters and cant really look at gambling references.

6/6/2005 10:01:02 AM

I probably would've complained, even for 1sb, i mean it's not a lot of money, but rules are rules, and that dealer sounds pretty fing incompetent, i mean did they just make that shit up on the fly or what?

6/6/2005 10:08:34 AM

next situation:

Tell me your play on the turn. ill post the results later.

6/12 LHE AC. same game, well after crazy nutball with the cash left. Very texturized game, swings from crazy LAG to TAG with no real turning points.

HERO AcQc MP

UTG calls,
UTG+1 calls,
HERO raises
CO calls,
SB/BB fold,
UTG, UTG +1 call.

flop: KdJdTd

check, check, HERO bets ($6), CO calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

turn: Ad

UTG checks, HERO checks, CO bets ($12), UTG raises ($12 to $24)

your play is obvious no?

6/6/2005 10:09:38 AM

4 diamonds A/K/J/10 on the board and you are holding A/Q of clubs.
2 raise in front of you.

You fold, no matter what. Best case scenario you split. Worst case, someone has the Qd and you are royaled, 1 diamond and you are flushed, or has 2 pair or trips and is drawing to a boat.

Your $12 is gone, let it go.

I am guessing since you posted they were all full of shit, but I think folding is easily the right play.

6/6/2005 10:18:18 AM

^everything i was gonna say, i actually don't really like the bet on the flop though, but that's just my style i guess, the bet on the flop isn't bad, but i mean you know anyone with a high diamond isn't folding anyway, so why not take one off and see what happens, could've saved that small bet after the check-raise iso on the turn, even though they happened to be bluffing this time

[Edited on June 6, 2005 at 10:21 AM. Reason : f]

6/6/2005 10:20:49 AM

yeah.. it's pretty obvious.. not really sure what his point was there...


he's probably just not thinking clearly after getting sucked out on all weekend...

... and i don't mean the hookers

6/6/2005 10:21:06 AM

more information.

UTG was pretty intoxicated (its about 9am now, game has been going since ~1am), and had been aggressively overplaying small pocket pairs and bottom pair all night long. he's the "keeping you honest" type, who likes to try and take you down with his bottom pair, and taunt you with it.

CO was a very interesting player that I could never, ever place on anyhand at all. He shifted gears the best ive ever seen anyone do in my life. No one at the table had any concept if he held garbage, or the nuts. His seemingly wild plays paid off though, and was up close to 25 BB in the session.

I was in the middle of a clash of wild play and in awful position.

Of course i folded. why in the hell would i stay in there for 2 big bets? Ive got no redraws, and a hand that went to trash. The reason i bet the flop was for information when the bets are cheap. Plus its a pretty damn weak play to raise preflop in MP, flop broadway (even on that full suited board), and not bet out. The people at this table knew that if i raise preflop, then im comming into the flop guns blazing and more than likely with a strong hand. If i get check-raised, or CO raises, then flags go off. After the turn, I knew i was probably drawing dead.

Rest of the story:

HERO folds
CO calls ($12)

River: 5c

UTG bets ($12)
CO raises ($12 to $24)
UTG calls ($12)

UTG shows JhTh
CO shows KcTc

CO wins pot (13.5 BB, $162), with two pair, kings and tens.


one of the most ridiculous things ive ever seen. (this table was full of them)

6/6/2005 11:34:28 AM

it was the right play.

yeah, you woulda won. but it was the right play.

6/6/2005 12:14:06 PM

I am fully aware of that. you dont need to preach to me about singular outcomes predicting future plays... many of the other posts in this thread would warrant that though.

i was just amazed that not a single diamond, or remaining Q was anywhere to be found within those raises.

it was a nutty weekend, and my wicked two weeks of atrocious beats and bad cards continue.


sat for 6 orbits without seeing a face card.. that was pretty funny.

6/6/2005 12:39:31 PM

in regards to your comment about the flop bet, first i want to say that i would sometimes bet the flop and sometimes not, im just for the sake of discussion providing the argument for not betting it all the time. you said you bet the flop for info, but you also said that the table knew if you raise preflop you are coming in gunz blazing on the flop, well if they know that, then your bet on the flop isn't going to get you much info against good players, bad players sure, but not players good enough to pick up on what you've just said. I mean if they expect you to raise after the flop regardless of what comes out, that makes the check-raise even easier by the utg in my opinion, because he can't credit you for a hand. Post-poning the bet until the turn might actually gain you more info occasionally (if you decide to bet it even if a diamond comes, which i would probably do sometimes, and sometimes i wouldn't) of course you can also gain more info by simply seeing another card and feeling safer about your straight if you only have to dodge one potential bullet instead of two....like i said i think either play is okay really, as long as you don't become predicable, just something to think about

6/6/2005 12:56:10 PM

Quote :

"it was the right play. yeah, you woulda won. but it was the right play."

preaching?

6/6/2005 1:44:03 PM

Quote :

"bad players sure, but not players good enough to pick up on what you've just said"

they were bad players....

6/6/2005 3:05:22 PM

^i meant bad, tight, sober players, even harder to get info from that flop bet from a loose drunk

6/6/2005 3:17:06 PM

goddammit this is bullshit....

I had a pretty good read on this guy that he had been buying A LOT of pots...

Hand #6191924-16177 at Piedmont (No Limit Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 06/Jun/05 15:12:34

toemoss66 is at seat 0 with $48.
moneymonky is at seat 1 with $18.
oilman703 is at seat 2 with $17.
geeja45231 is at seat 3 with $43.40.
Mortgageking is at seat 4 with $90.70 (sitting out).
The button is at seat 3.

toemoss66 posts the small blind of $.50.
moneymonky posts the big blind of $1.

toemoss66: Ad 5s
moneymonky: -- --
oilman703: -- --
geeja45231: -- --

Pre-flop:

oilman703 folds. geeja45231 calls. toemoss66 raises
to $4. moneymonky folds. geeja45231 calls.

Flop (board: Qs Qh Js):

toemoss66 bets $2. geeja45231 calls.

Turn (board: Qs Qh Js 3c):

geeja45231 has disconnected, is dropped.
toemoss66 bets $5. geeja45231 raises to $15.
toemoss66 goes all-in for $42. geeja45231 goes all-in
(disconnected). toemoss66 is returned $27 (uncalled).


River (board: Qs Qh Js 3c 9d):

(no action in this round)




Showdown:

toemoss66 shows Ad 5s.
toemoss66 has Ad Qs Qh Js 9d: a pair of queens.
geeja45231 shows 8d 9h.
geeja45231 has 9h Qs Qh Js 9d: two pair, queens and nines.


Hand #6191924-16177 Summary:

$2 is raked from a pot of $43.
geeja45231 wins $41 with two pair, queens and nines.
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fucking all-in protection bullshit

6/6/2005 3:17:36 PM

ToeMoss,

I'm not a big TWW guy, but I play a bit of poker now & then. You should email UltimateBet about that. I've heard of people getting booted off that site for doing that disconnect bullshit. You might not get your money back, but hopefully they'll eventually kick him off the site.

6/6/2005 3:21:11 PM

...


i do hate when people do that disconnect shit though

[Edited on June 6, 2005 at 4:13 PM. Reason : dsfasd]

6/6/2005 4:13:03 PM

yeah... i know my play can be criticized even with a good read on the guy, as he did call my preflop raise..

but I was pretty confident I had the best hand with the ace (even a low ace).. and it turned out I had made the right call... i'm just pissed because this is one aspect of online poker that should never enter into the game.

6/6/2005 5:48:57 PM

I'm not willing to play for the big bucks yet ... I only went to the table with $20.


***** Hand History for Game 2167411001 *****
1/2 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jun 06 23:29:09 EDT 2005
Table Table 50810 (9 max) (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: XXDMGXX ( $50.5)
Seat 2: TonJa1380 ( $16.5)
Seat 3: mustac614 ( $135.25)
Seat 4: RedBloch ( $64.75)
Seat 5: twister225 ( $141.96)
Seat 6: freakbro111 ( $45)
Seat 7: simon10 ( $48)
Seat 8: Staal206 ( $17)
Seat 9: GFELLA029207 ( $15.75)
simon10 posts small blind (0.5)
Staal206 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TonJa1380 [ 8h, Jh ]
GFELLA029207 folds.
XXDMGXX calls (1)
TonJa1380 calls (1)
mustac614 folds.
RedBloch folds.
twister225 folds.
simon10 calls (0.5)
Staal206 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qc, Kh, 9h ]
simon10 checks.
Staal206 checks.
XXDMGXX checks.
TonJa1380 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qh ]
simon10 checks.
Staal206 bets (2)
XXDMGXX calls (2)
TonJa1380 raises (4) to 4
simon10 folds.
Staal206 calls (2)
XXDMGXX calls (2)
** Dealing River ** : [ Th ]
Staal206 checks.
XXDMGXX checks.
TonJa1380 bets (2)
Staal206 calls (2)
XXDMGXX folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $19 | Rake: $1
Board: [ Qc Kh 9h Qh Th ]
XXDMGXX balance $45.5, lost $5 (folded)
TonJa1380 balance $28.5, bet $7, collected $19, net +$12 [ 8h Jh ] [ a straight flush, king high -- Kh,Qh,Jh,Th,9h ]
mustac614 balance $135.25, didn't bet (folded)
RedBloch balance $64.75, didn't bet (folded)
twister225 balance $141.96, didn't bet (folded)
freakbro111 balance $45, sits out
simon10 balance $47, lost $1 (folded)
Staal206 balance $10, lost $7 [ 5h 9s ] [ a flush, king high -- Kh,Qh,Th,9h,5h ]
GFELLA029207 balance $15.75, didn't bet (folded)

6/6/2005 11:43:17 PM

for future reference, if you go into a limit table with less than enough bets to cap on every street (12 big bets), you are losing value.

same with sitting at a nl/pl table with less than full buy in.

if you arent comfortable with buying in with at least 25 big bets, then you shouldn't be playing at that limit. it makes no difference if it is .25/.50 with a 12.50 buy in or a 100/200 with a 5000 buy in. its all a factor of the bets, not the money.

6/7/2005 8:34:37 AM

classic ...

***** Hand History for Game 2170280569 *****
NL Hold'em Trny:12892114 Level:1 Blinds (10/15) - Tuesday, June 07, 15:50:25 EDT 2005
Table $1,250 Players Club Freeroll(357211) Table #14 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: lwnunley ( $1000 )
Seat 2: kneeonbelly ( $1000 )
Seat 3: Guarino ( $1000 )
Seat 4: FNAllIn ( $1000 )
Seat 5: MEgebjerg ( $1000 )
Seat 6: Little_jenny ( $1000 )
Seat 7: mcphills ( $1000 )
Seat 8: hg212017 ( $1000 )
Seat 9: Dochy ( $1000 )
Seat 10: TonJa1380 ( $1000 )
Trny:12892114 Level:1
Blinds (10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TonJa1380 [ 9c Kc ]
>You have options at Table 11025 (6 max) Table!.
TonJa1380 calls [15].
lwnunley folds.
kneeonbelly calls [15].
Guarino folds.
FNAllIn folds.
>You have options at Table 11025 (6 max) Table!.
MEgebjerg folds.
Little_jenny folds.
>You have options at Table 11025 (6 max) Table!.
mcphills folds.
hg212017 calls [5].
>You have options at Table 11025 (6 max) Table!.
>You have options at Table 11025 (6 max) Table!.
>You have options at Table 11025 (6 max) Table!.
>You have options at Table 11025 (6 max) Table!.
Dochy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, 8d, Tc ]
hg212017 checks.
Dochy checks.
TonJa1380 checks.
kneeonbelly checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
>You have options at Table 11025 (6 max) Table!.
hg212017 checks.
Dochy folds.
TonJa1380 checks.
>You have options at Table 11025 (6 max) Table!.
kneeonbelly bets [100].
hg212017 folds.
TonJa1380 calls [100].
** Dealing River ** [ Ac ]
TonJa1380 checks.
>You have options at Table 11025 (6 max) Table!.
kneeonbelly bets [200].
TonJa1380 raises [400].
kneeonbelly is all-In [685]
TonJa1380 is all-In [485]
TonJa1380 shows [ 9c, Kc ] a flush, ace high.
kneeonbelly shows [ 8h, Ah ] a full house, Eights full of aces.
kneeonbelly wins 2030 chips from the main pot with a full house, Eights full of aces.
Player TonJa1380 finished in 1224 place
TonJa1380 has left the table.

6/7/2005 3:57:36 PM

1.) you were behind all the way.
2.) why the hell were you calling from utg
3.) " " with garbage like K9 suited.
4.) " " even worse in a tournament.
5.) keep up with your other tables.
6.) make your new favorite motto "Never ever get broke on a hand without raising preflop."

6/7/2005 4:34:38 PM

in no-limit, i usually won't go into a hand i wouldn't raise with or call a raise with. why i called, I dunno. but for 15 pre-flop ... i said, why not?
now with structured betting and limit, i'm a little more likely to limp with middle suited cards.
there were no bets to the river and i'm sitting on the highest possible flush. he never bet his trips, not even on the turn. so when the ace of clubs fell on the river, why wouldn't i believe i had the best hand?

6/7/2005 5:38:32 PM

Quote :

"in no-limit, i usually won't go into a hand i wouldn't raise with or call a raise with. why i called, I dunno. but for 15 pre-flop ... i said, why not? now with structured betting and limit, i'm a little more likely to limp with middle suited cards. there were no bets to the river and i'm sitting on the highest possible flush. he never bet his trips, not even on the turn. so when the ace of clubs fell on the river, why wouldn't i believe i had the best hand?"

Come on now MsWuf, you seem like a much more solid player than that to make a play like that or to ask a question like "how could I be beat" afterwards. There are a few universal truths you must abide by when playing online (IRL too, but online for sure).

1. If the board has paired up, don't chase straights or flushes, because there's a great chance you're just chasing a hand that can't win and will lose you your whole stack.

2. People will always slow play good hands. That can be good, because they will let you catch whatever you are fishing for. That can be bad, because they will let you catch whatever you are fishing for. (Yes, I meant to write that twice).

Consider the following example. I don't know how many times I have limped in from the blindswith a horrible hand (we'll say 79 offsuit for argument's sake), and the flop comes something like 977, I start betting, only to have the guy push all-in and then flip over QQ. Now he obviously had the better preflop hand, but he limped and got burned and refused to fold his overpair (as a side note, it kills me when after the all-in, a Q falls on the river and the table congratulates this idiot for a "good play".)

3. That brings me to universal truth #3, which is a second cousin of #2. While people will always slow play, they will also never fold an overpair or a pair of A's. So if you hit the nuts on the river, and they have paired up an A, or might be slow-playing that overpair, you're golden. Just remember that if you're not holding the nuts, someone else probably is, and bet accordingly.

Now as to NoidRoid's little rant. Sure, I wouldn't call with K9 suited, especially at a table with 10 people in a tournament, but K9 suited isn't THAT bad of a hand, especially if you come from the school of thinking that "I like to see flops". I dislike it personally, because I will not feel comfortable if the flush comes out, cause it won't be the nuts. I won't feel good about betting the K either, because odds are, I'm outkicked.

6/7/2005 6:44:44 PM

That wasn't my rant.


But while we're on the subject, limping UTG with K9s in the first hand of a MTT is a really bad idea. Almost as bad as raising on the river when you make a flush with a paired board. She got greedy and busted out with a hand that she never should have played in the first place.

Gotta love freerolls.









ah hell, I may as well post a hand from last night while I'm here:

Texas Hold'em $2-$4 NL (real money), hand #967,792,634
Table Madrid, 7 Jun 2005 3:05 AM ET

Seat 2: SDLUV
Seat 3: d7drummer
Seat 4: pooClown
Seat 5: bautotrimm
Seat 6: overmyer10
Seat 7: Tattoo Tom
Seat 8: slipnuts [ AS,AC ]
Seat 9: xmiu04x
Seat 10: bigjim225
ANTES/BLINDS
Tattoo Tom posts blind ($1), slipnuts posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
xmiu04x calls $2, bigjim225 calls $2, SDLUV calls $2, d7drummer calls $2, pooClown calls $2, bautotrimm calls $2, overmyer10 folds, Tattoo Tom folds, slipnuts bets $15, xmiu04x folds, bigjim225 calls $15, SDLUV calls $15, d7drummer calls $15, pooClown folds, bautotrimm calls $15.

FLOP [board cards 7C,10H,4H ]
slipnuts bets $50, bigjim225 bets $93.75 and is all-in, SDLUV folds, d7drummer calls $93.75, bautotrimm folds, slipnuts calls $43.75.

TURN [board cards 7C,10H,4H,4S ]
slipnuts checks, d7drummer bets $70, slipnuts calls $70.

RIVER [board cards 7C,10H,4H,4S,8C ]
slipnuts checks, d7drummer checks.

SHOWDOWN
slipnuts shows [ AS,AC ]
bigjim225 mucks cards
d7drummer mucks cards
slipnuts wins $508.25.

SUMMARY
Dealer: overmyer10
Pot: $511.25 | Rake: $3
SDLUV loses $17
d7drummer loses $180.75
pooClown loses $2
bautotrimm loses $17
overmyer10 loses $0
Tattoo Tom loses $1
slipnuts bets $180.75, collects $508.25, net $327.50
xmiu04x loses $2
bigjim225 loses $110.75


Even though I knew the two players I was showing down against were total retards, I was very surprised to see the pot slide my way at the end. This hand just had that ominous feeling to it where I was gonna get busted by some bullshit. Against some players I would have folded for $70 on the turn, but this guy was all over the place and he earned that call even though he had played like he made a boat. It would have been tough to fold at that point if I'd wanted to considering how much went into the pot on the flop... I'm just glad this guy was maniacal enough in previous hands for me to call him down

Weird thing I never noticed about pokerroom hand histories though.. apparently since I showed down my winning aces first and the other two guys mucked, I don't get to see what they had. Pokertracker counted this hand for their net totals, but it has no idea what hand they had either. The bigger stack that bet the turn said he had a flush draw, and I assume the guy who went all-in had an overpair.



[Edited on June 7, 2005 at 9:54 PM. Reason : pt 2]

6/7/2005 9:36:07 PM

Or A10.

People will not fold top pair, A kicker.

6/7/2005 10:52:34 PM

Could have been, this was a crazy table. ie, 5 people called my $17 preflop raise

6/7/2005 11:12:59 PM

Absolute continues fucking me in the ass. Sitting at a $30 single table tourney. I am 3rd in chips with 5 people left, I raise 400 with AQ, one person calls me, the flop comes J 10 K rainbow. So I have the nuts for sure. I raise, get reraised, and I go all in and get called. He turns over K9os. So I am the winner for sure. Till the turn comes a 10 and the river a K. Giving him a full house to knock me out....he was 2nd in chips. I keep saying I am gonna leave this site, but I like the feel of it, and I figure eventually my luck is gonna shift, but I can't keep taking bad beats like this OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!

6/7/2005 11:54:21 PM

These are the hands where I just want to jump through the screen and punch the guy in the face as hard as I can. I wasn't even in the hand (OK I kinda was, but I promptly folded my 2 pair.) Basically it's a hand with no preflop raises where a guy turns the nut flush and then slow plays it, allowing another guy to catch the K kigh flush on the river. Take a look at the betting though.

Game #855815415 - (blinds $0.25/$0.50) No Limit Texas Hold'em -
2005/06/07-21:45:25.3 (CST)
Table "Nambi (5 max)" (real money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Seat 1: JennyB2004 ($54.00 in chips)
Seat 2: Kids Tuition ($27.75 in chips)
Seat 4: gabe11 ($11.75 in chips)
Seat 5: Nad Revilo ($44.00 in chips)
Nad Revilo: Post Small Blind ($0.25)
JennyB2004: Post Big Blind ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ 5h ]
Dealt to JennyB2004 [ Td ]
Kids Tuition: Call ($0.50)
gabe11 : Fold
Nad Revilo: Call ($0.25)
JennyB2004: Check
*** FLOP *** : [ 6c Tc 8d ]
Nad Revilo: Check
JennyB2004: Check
Kids Tuition: Check
*** TURN *** : [ 6c Tc 8d ] [ 2c ]
Nad Revilo: Check
JennyB2004: Check
Kids Tuition: Check
*** RIVER *** : [ 6c Tc 8d 2c ] [ 5c ]
Nad Revilo: Bet ($0.50)
JennyB2004: Call ($0.50)
Kids Tuition: Raise ($3.50)
Nad Revilo: Raise ($43)
JennyB2004: Fold
Kids Tuition: Call All-in ($23.75)


»Kids Tuition: had to
»JennyB2004: no you didn't you retard
»Nad Revilo: tough not to w/ K
»Kids Tuition: indeed
»Kids Tuition: calm down, Jenny
»JennyB2004: you had $4 in the pot... seriously.... you just blew $30 when it was so obvious what he had
»JennyB2004: great play though.... I would really suggest a name change. You couldn't buy a stick of gum the way you play, much less pay for college.

6/8/2005 12:03:05 AM

Four words: don't tap the fishtank

6/8/2005 7:45:39 AM

Good bluff or stupid play?

My opponent here played somewhat passively, I suspected he was either new or just plain bad. Faced with a large bet I had a hunch he'd turn tail and run without at least top pair. Having raised preflop it's possible he thought I was slow playing. At any rate his small bet on the flop convinced me to go for the bluff on the river, when his check on the turn confirmed to me that he had a marginal hand.

You be the judge....


***** Hand History for Game 2167398604 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12877753) - Mon Jun 06 23:27:08 EDT
2005
Table Table 35320 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: bAd__Apple (1005)
Seat 2: Coogs1 (1665)
Seat 3: yinkiller (650)
Seat 4: dazed914 (695)
Seat 5: Grinding_It (1805)
Seat 8: tyler_d34 (770)
Seat 9: durs79 (515)
Seat 10: Kojack05 (895)
durs79 posts small blind (10)
Kojack05 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Kojack05 [ Ks, Ah ]
bAd__Apple folds.
Coogs1 folds.
yinkiller calls (15)
dazed914 calls (15)
Grinding_It folds.
tyler_d34 raises (40) to 40
durs79 calls (30)
Kojack05 raises (110) to 125
yinkiller folds.
dazed914 calls (110)
tyler_d34 calls (85)
durs79 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8c, 4h, 2h ]
Kojack05 checks.
dazed914 checks.
tyler_d34 bets (65)
Kojack05 calls (65)
dazed914 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jd ]
Kojack05 checks.
tyler_d34 checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ 8s ]
Kojack05 bets (200)
tyler_d34 folds.
** Summary **
Main Pot: 760
Board: [ 8c 4h 2h Jd 8s ]
bAd__Apple balance 1005, didn't bet (folded)
Coogs1 balance 1665, didn't bet (folded)
yinkiller balance 635, lost 15 (folded)
dazed914 balance 570, lost 125 (folded)
Grinding_It balance 1805, didn't bet (folded)
tyler_d34 balance 580, lost 190 (folded)
durs79 balance 475, lost 40 (folded)
Kojack05 balance 1265, bet 390, collected 760, net +370

6/8/2005 8:31:17 AM

good play

6/8/2005 9:42:22 AM

please don't tap the fish tank, the glass may break

6/8/2005 12:43:41 PM

In sum, I flopped a set of queens and the other guy flopped a full house. I came back to beat him on the river with a bigger full house.


** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to AndrewNCSU [ Qd 4d ]
kathy446 calls [100].
shale1572 raises [10200].
OmarAzzibi calls [10200].
papps30 calls [10200].
AndrewNCSU calls [10200].
timgeorge50 folds.
biodad calls [10100].
himesa calls [10200].
widjadidja folds.
Chas28 calls [10100].
kathy446 is all-In [4900]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Qs, Qc, 6s ]
Chas28 checks.
shale1572 checks.
OmarAzzibi checks.
papps30 bets [34100].
AndrewNCSU is all-In [143797]
biodad folds.
himesa folds.
Chas28 folds.
shale1572 folds.
OmarAzzibi folds.
papps30 calls [109697].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
papps30 shows [ 6c, 6d ] a full house, Sixes full of queens.
AndrewNCSU shows [ Qd, 4d ] a full house, Queens full of fours.
kathy446 doesn't show [ Jh, Jd ] two pairs, queens and jacks.
AndrewNCSU wins 323994 play chips from side pot #1 with a full house, Queens full of fours.
AndrewNCSU wins 40097 play chips from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of fours.

6/8/2005 3:52:22 PM

haha, as i was reading it, i was like is this for play money or something..........and it was, lol, no one cares about a play money suck out dude

you played it pretty well though

[Edited on June 8, 2005 at 4:00 PM. Reason : fdg]

6/8/2005 3:59:11 PM

yep.. i make my living off of fake chips

6/8/2005 4:03:43 PM

nice flop for me



quad 7s twice in 4 days.

and managed to get the other guy to put all his chips in on both of them.

6/8/2005 4:38:15 PM

OK, here's a question. How do you guys play your high pocket pairs?

Personally, I find it really difficult to toss KK after I have raised to $6 pre-flop on a .50/1.00 table and the board looks comes 89J. If the player seems like a tight player and he starts firing darts at me after the flop, then sure, he probably called with 8's or 9's and has tripped up. But if some idiot has been calling my raises (and others) all-day long, than who knows what the hell he has. I mean, he might be sitting on J9, 107, or 34. The fact is, when you're playing against a retard online, you just don't know.

So, to avoid these situations, I have been playing my high pocket pairs much less aggresively as of late. My motto has been, "Don't become too attached to any hand preflop." This has saved me a lot of grief, because I never feel compelled to get overly aggressive and thus lose my stack to a moron. It's been really successful, and it has prevented the "tilt factor" that I can be so prone to.

I will say, NoidRoid makes some very interesting posts when it comes to this. Twice before, I have read him say his opponent "earned a call" when talking about a hand. One time, he lost his ass, but the other, he won about $350 on the hand. Regardless, that really made me think. I used to (back in the day when I first started playing poker) think that an overpair was unbeatable. I figure most rookie players have that same misconception. AA is great, don't get me wrong, but about 90% of the time, I'll take a different hand after the flop, and an even different hand after the river. The simple fact is, if a semi-tight player is throwing bullets at you after a flop, then there's a great chance you're beat. I think in that case, your opponent has earned a fold from you, even if he might be bluffing.

But anyway, how do you guys play AA, KK, etc?

6/8/2005 5:01:22 PM