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"Joie- My nutritionist and endocrinologist say it deals with insulin resistance which then causes insulin and glucose to hang out in the blood and raise insulin production. That then causes cortisol levels to rise and you to crave more food. I don't know how to describe it too eloquently, but I was definitely dealing with insulin resistance and cutting out the caffeine has help me to regulate my glucose levels so much better."

hold up so is it the caffeine thats he problem and not the artificial sweeteners? dammit i love my coffee in the morning but now that its getting warmer i should be able to cut out the coffee on the way to work, may substitute it with green tea. i've been trying to do that more anyway.



[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 9:41 PM. Reason : quote]

3/22/2011 9:40:07 PM

<3 punchmonk. full of useful information

3/22/2011 9:43:57 PM

^hehe

It was def a bitch for me to cut it out too. I def know I am more sensitive to insulin resistance because I am type I diabetic but it has been the case for some that are not diabetics. Grain of salt here, sparky.

I was just saying about the diet soft drinks with caffeine because that is def something people think they can have as much of and be ok. I don't know if one cup of coffee a day will do it but I know this phenomenon does exist.

3/22/2011 9:49:23 PM

Quote :

"hold up so is it the caffeine thats he problem and not the artificial sweeteners? "

that was exactly my reaction too!

interesting. im gonna try and cut out the caffeinated diet beverages too (not totally though )

[Edited on March 22, 2011 at 10:06 PM. Reason : sdfdsfd]

3/22/2011 10:05:16 PM

I, too, have read a while back that caffeine was speculated to promote a cortisol response and lead to bodyfat storage.

I didn't know that it had ever been confirmed, and I'd never heard the part about the insulin and stuff. Wouldn't promoting higher blood insulin levels lead to lower fat storage, though?

I probably should cut back on caffeine. It doesn't do a lot to me (never has--not just because I have a tolerance for it), so I have to intake a lot of it if I want any stimulant effect.

3/22/2011 10:06:44 PM

I do know when your body increases insulin production, your body immediately starts a fight or flight type of situation that causes you to then eat eat eat to compensate for that tremendous imbalance or triggers your brain to say STORE WHATEVER! Higher blood sugar does cause ketoacidosis to occur and then cause your body to start basically eating itself in survival mode. I, again, def say this as a diabetic so this happens more readily with people like me than normal insulin producing people. That is why I am TOTALLY against the atkins diet because it often throws normal insulin producing people into this situation.

I just know people who are prone to weight gain or even obesity will deal more with this than people who are healthy exercise and diet type of people. That is why it is def not true for everyone.

Also, my neurologist was saying that my TIA episode that I had a few weeks ago could have been triggered by the overuse of caffeine...but who knows. Vessel constriction and whatnot

3/22/2011 10:13:49 PM

i only drink like 2 caffeinated drinks a day (usually diet cokes)....with a few exceptions (ie i had a monster yesterday and today and probably will have one tomorrow to help jack me up to study)......

so this wont be too hard



im wondering if i should even worry considering my caffeine intake is usually less than 150ish mg/day

3/22/2011 10:14:04 PM

All my doctors but one of my neurologist say up to 300mg for a normal person is acceptable.

3/22/2011 10:16:54 PM

yeah, thats what ive heard too.


ive actually read in some studies (yeah, it was more than one! ) that certain caffeine intakes (i cant remember the number like 200ish?) is actually beneficial to health rather than no intake at all.

i'll see if i can find it sometime this weekend (if anyone is interested)

3/22/2011 10:29:06 PM

I'm tremendously interested. My caffeine intake is horrendous...and interestingly enough, so are my cravings. I'm damn DRIVEN to binge like crazy.

3/22/2011 10:31:47 PM

10-4 good sir.

let me take this god awful test on thursday and then im on it

3/22/2011 10:35:18 PM

Much appreciation, madam.

I think that the bottom line is I need a trainer/babysitter to watch over me and throw the whip to me. LOL

3/22/2011 10:38:17 PM

Just wanting to know what you guys think is the best in between/ during class energy food/drink. I have my protein shake( more paste b/c I like it that way) 1 hr. before class. but I have back to back bootcamp then spin class on wed. and when it comes to spin i push myself but am a lil tired.

3/23/2011 1:11:50 AM

Quote :

"I, too, have read a while back that caffeine was speculated to promote a cortisol response and lead to bodyfat storage."

this is interesting because a lot of your pre-workout supplements are loaded with caffeine. regardless i didn't have my usual morning coffee today, instead i had a cup of green tea. i'm thinking this is a much healthier route regardless of caffeine.

3/23/2011 8:30:16 AM

^^ Why don't you drink something like gatorade during the spin class?

3/23/2011 8:56:52 AM

Official end of second month in to this weight loss journey and I am down a total of 17lbs. Feels good.

Now only a bajillion more to go!!

3/23/2011 9:13:40 AM

nice job kiwi

i've gained about a 100... i'm super fucking pleased with myself

3/23/2011 9:15:33 AM

I love this bread and wanted to share it's awesomeness with you.
It is portion size, 7g carb, 5g protein, 3g fiber per slice

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_F8gQEWl-Ekg/SwSKt8s9BBI/AAAAAAAAD7Y/-T9aWOpjobc/s1600/2009-11+112.jpg

Trader Joe's Sprouted 7 grain Bread

[Edited on March 23, 2011 at 10:17 AM. Reason : big ass picture]

3/23/2011 10:13:35 AM

My friend eats a sandwich with that bread every day and always buys it when we take trips to TJ's together. I'd never thought about it because I don't eat bread much at all, but then she started talking about the nutritional profile of it and that it's actually good and ever since I have been pretty excited to try it. I think that makes me a dork. But it's nice to hear another recommendation for it.

After my departure from LFF I am gym whoring it up for a bit. I got a week's pass at Gold's Gym in RTP starting today. I think I pissed the woman off last night because she was trying to sell me on "We have 3 times more machines than other gyms!" and I told her I don't use machines and was otherwise unimpressed with the shiny whoozywhatsits they try to talk up. Then I have a month at Fitness 19. I think those are the best options for me, but if there are any more I will try those too. Then I decide which one I like better. It felt really good to lift again this morning as I've been out of the gym for almost two weeks (still doing cardio and some at-home stuff).

[Edited on March 23, 2011 at 12:09 PM. Reason : gym]

3/23/2011 11:41:43 AM

Just finished my strength training for the day.

I gotta say, I realize that most everyone in this thread is more about perfecting an already in-shape body, but for those of us who have to lose a lot of weight before even worrying about the cuts in all the right places, it's amazingly satisfying to have people look at you and say "... You've lost weight."

It's happened four times in the past week. I gotta take pictures soon and see before / after.

I do know I'm about 15.5 lbs down.

3/23/2011 12:45:51 PM

Quote :

"can someone tell me why I have to poop (like, explosively) all damn day after working out? (workouts is 20 mins cardio, workout, cardio 20 mins) "

3/23/2011 2:29:31 PM

Are you taking any Pre-Workout supplements?

3/23/2011 2:34:35 PM

No, I drink my protein after workout.

3/23/2011 3:29:36 PM

so i'm guessing you work out in the morning then take your protein supplement? have you thought about changing brands of your supplement? it may have something in there that your tummy doesn't agree with.

3/23/2011 4:22:04 PM

How intense are your dumps?

Normal straining, or Dumb and Dumber level output?

Could be IBS.

[Edited on March 23, 2011 at 4:23 PM. Reason : x]

3/23/2011 4:23:28 PM

since he said they were explosive i'm thinking rhee rhee

3/23/2011 4:26:46 PM

Yeah explosive, same protein shake brand as when I was doing p90x. I workout during lunch. At dr office now will update.

3/23/2011 4:45:36 PM

Yeah explosive, same protein shake brand as when I was doing p90x. I workout during lunch. At dr office now will update.

3/23/2011 4:48:41 PM

ok so no explosive rhee rhee before work out, but post workout and protein shake you have explosive rhee for the rest of the day. what do you mix you shake with, water, milk? have you tried working out and not drinking the shake afterward to see if you have the same issue? maybe they changed the formula.

3/23/2011 4:49:59 PM

I'd be worried about heavy lifting. During my squats, I strain with all my might and have been known to rip some heinous farts. If that gas turned to liquid, it would throw a wrench in my whole routine.

3/23/2011 4:51:56 PM

hahahaha....i've def done the same but being that i have my earphones in i can never tell how loud they are. i have yet to get any weird looks so i guess i'm good for now.

3/23/2011 4:53:17 PM

grrrrrrrrrr. i jut looked at some pics that were taken of me last weekend (im in the background) and my hips look rather large


i swear im not that big

3/23/2011 5:11:05 PM

body dysmorphic disorder

3/23/2011 5:13:08 PM

Not a huge difference, but I feel like my gut and my face are smaller.

Heyo!

3/23/2011 5:25:45 PM

^^ i have that pretty badly actually
not as bad as it used to be. and its also not the way youre thinking....i tend to think i am a LOT LOT bigger than what i am.

here's the picture in question though


but heres one that was taken a few days prior....



which doesnt make me feel AS bad


which reminds me. i should do some progress (if thats what i want to call it ) pics

[Edited on March 23, 2011 at 5:31 PM. Reason : dfgf]

3/23/2011 5:27:17 PM

Your hips look fine

Tho I'm not sure you can pull off that bald Portman look

3/23/2011 5:31:03 PM

^thanks boo

i, in all honesty, was NOT fishing for compliments right then (although it does seem like it)
i just tend to be especially hard on myself.
every now and then i have to just step back and say....who cares? ya know

3/23/2011 5:32:46 PM

Joie: I LOVE YOUR BODY!! Your arms are so lean, you have a great jaw line and your thighs have my ideal muscle structure. When i start the challenge again, like last time, i will use your body as a template to work toward. I know it will never look like your's because we have different body types but your progress is great motivation for us ladies. Your humility/insecurity is also great motivation to know we all have issues and need encouragement.

[Edited on March 23, 2011 at 5:49 PM. Reason : ....]

3/23/2011 5:46:37 PM

aw jeez punchmonk.
thanks

i really dont know what to say, im totally blushing.
i really dont feel that way about myself at all <3

it means a lot.


alright i have a test in the morning.....

3/23/2011 5:52:12 PM

Will you look great. Can definitely see a difference in the photos.

PS - I wax backs. Ask TKE-Teg

3/23/2011 9:00:04 PM

yeah so it turns out I have a viral infection, didn't really have anything to do with working out. Also incredibly dehydrated, so I'm gettin on the Gatorade.

Doc says everything should be cleared up by the end of the weekend, but he did say I could continue working out if I felt like it. I might give it a rest tomorrow.

3/23/2011 9:05:34 PM

I do wish I was seeing more progress than what I'm seeing, however, admittedly my first 2 months of working out my diet was shit, so I was kinda working against myself.

In the past month though, the diet has gotten a lot better, and improvement is happening. I just have to remind myself that I didn't put it all on overnight, Rome wasn't built in a day, etc, etc. I'm definitely stronger than what I was, more fit, and my endurance is increasing. I just hope that I'm doing everything right so that I have that good "beach body" for this summer. Not much time left until the summer is here!

3/23/2011 9:19:14 PM

Morphine Boy, I can definitely see a difference! Keep up the good work

I decided this week that I'm tired of being a fattie and want to take significant changes to drop back down to a healthy size. I started the South Beach diet Monday. So far it sucks but I haven't cheated... yet I also found out there's a free gym in my office building so I need to start taking advantage of that on my lunch break.

Has anyone else ever tried the South Beach diet?

3/23/2011 9:41:47 PM

Have you had any headaches?

My weight is all over the place. Who gains 7 pounds in 2 days and then it doesn't go away? I'm trying really hard to remain sulfite-free but it's tough. I feel better today although my hands were swollen this morning.

Good news is that my knee is feeling a lot better and I'm running again.

3/23/2011 10:22:41 PM

No headaches but I had a general blasé feeling yesterday. Today was a little easier. I need to be better about planning meals ahead so I'm not on my lunch break and going, "Well damn, where am I going to eat today?" Luckily Harris Teeter had some of those Atkin bars on sale today so I got some of those to stash in my desk when I start feeling cranky.

3/23/2011 11:03:57 PM

shut up Joie....you are tiny!!

Will...i can def tell a difference. your face does look thinnner as well as you gut which is noticeable in your profile.

[Edited on March 24, 2011 at 9:18 AM. Reason : user]

3/24/2011 9:16:03 AM

^^ that's really good you don't have any headaches. It'll get better. Just make sure you're taking in enough fiber. I know a lot of people end up having issues on no/low carb diets because they end up losing out on a lot of fiber in their diet.

Another 4.6 mile run this morning. Hopefully none of yall saw me trucking down Tryon at 9am.

Best part, still no knee pain! Yay!

[Edited on March 24, 2011 at 11:59 AM. Reason : Stupid A next to capital button]

3/24/2011 11:58:35 AM

I am currently cycling my calories, strength training and intermittent fasting. I am down about 15lbs in 3 weeks. No major loss in strength or well being. Body fat% is probably down from 15% to 12%, but this is a rough estimation.

On training days, I eat high carb and protein. Eating my largest meal post-workout. I focus on heavy lifting only. No cardio at all.

On non-training days, I fast until mid-early afternoon and have minimal carbs the rest of the day. It usually turns out to 2 meals, both pretty sizable. For example, I broke the fast with 4 fried eggs, 4 slices bacon. For dinner, 2 chicken breasts and vege's.

Supplementing with:
Fat burner pills (helps control appetite and maintains energy levels)
whey protein
creatine
vitamin d and calcium

3/24/2011 9:59:51 PM

^thats awesome!



in all honesty though:

Quote :

"For example, I broke the fast with 4 fried eggs, 4 slices bacon. For dinner, 2 chicken breasts and vege's."

doesn't seem all that large....

like 1200 - 1300 cals?

[Edited on March 24, 2011 at 10:12 PM. Reason : but great freaking job thogh on the bf loss-that really is awesome ]

[Edited on March 24, 2011 at 10:22 PM. Reason : also-what time is "early afternoon?" im trying to get back into my IT, i liked it ]

3/24/2011 10:10:55 PM

I am very curious to know what carbs you are eating too.

3/24/2011 10:12:53 PM