double order

1/1/2015 3:28:31 PM

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"You are using a bowl game to justify GT's strength but then saying that if FSU gets blown out tonight people can't use that as an example of FSU weakness and should consider all 13 games. You say use the body of work for FSU, yet ignore that GT lost to Duke and UNC? Just asking which is it, a body of work or value on the bowl game. You are arguing both about 2 different teams, at least be consistent."

Body of work, including a bowl game is what I would take into consideration when drawing conclusions about a team's season...although overall body of work outweighs just 1 bowl game. And GT's overall body of work supports my claim that they are a pretty strong team...last night's win further supports that claim. They lost to UNC and Duke, which are definitely poor losses...I don't think I ever really ignored those losses. They beat Clemson, UGA, and Miss St this year....all very impressive wins They're a good team (even before beating Miss St last night). If they had lost to Miss St they'd still be a good team. If you consider all 13, now 14, of GT's games you should also be able to conclude that they are a formidable opponent. GT was a good team before last night...then they went out and stomped another really good team to further their case.

Just like FSU is a top 4 team prior to tonight. Tonight's result won't change the fact that they deserved to be there.

1/1/2015 3:32:33 PM

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"So which is it, the bowl games prove something or they are just a single sample that conclusions shouldn't be drawn from? You seem to be contradicting yourself a bit..."

It's not a contradiction to say that FSU has earned the #1 seed but may not win the tournament. This scenario happens all the time in tournaments. The point is, in America we determine the best team on the field, not with a committee.

1/1/2015 3:32:36 PM

If I hear the term "Body of work" work again, I'm going to hit somebody. If they played football in the Soviet Union, they would have a committee to consider each team's body of work and choose a champion.

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 3:34 PM. Reason : ?]

1/1/2015 3:33:26 PM

Gordon is gassed. doubt he gets the record

1/1/2015 3:34:26 PM

hoping for the fg just so gordon has another shot

1/1/2015 3:40:40 PM

SEC WEST, son.


THE OOGA BOOGA GETS YOU EVERY TIME

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 3:42 PM. Reason : a]

1/1/2015 3:41:29 PM

so much for the mighty SEC West

1/1/2015 3:41:34 PM

I lol every time Baylor gashes MSU for a huge play and they show MSU's defensive coordinator being pissed off.

1/1/2015 3:42:53 PM

I assume it's an interim dc and not the guy who took the Pitt job?

1/1/2015 3:45:55 PM

^correct. Baylor is also without their OC as he took job somewhere

1/1/2015 3:48:38 PM

Both are wrong. Msu dc is still there today.

1/1/2015 3:59:34 PM

Sparty will come back and win this one

then all the Baylor fanboys will shut up

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 4:18 PM. Reason : yep]

1/1/2015 3:59:54 PM

^^yep...i was wrong. i just flipped over from the auburn/wiscy game to see narduzzi. coulda sworn i read where he wouldn't be coaching this game. but he is.

1/1/2015 4:01:09 PM

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"so much for the mighty SEC West"

It's championship or bust. We don't bother to show up for other bowl games, there's no point. If you are in my SEC and don't make the Natty, might as well not even game plan because the season was a failure. That's how we do in the SEC son.

1/1/2015 4:20:25 PM

did somebody say natty?

1/1/2015 4:23:14 PM

wow michigan st

1/1/2015 4:31:13 PM

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"Remember that time everyone thought ohio state and oregon were awesome for beating michigan state? Well baylor is crushing them"

1/1/2015 4:31:37 PM

That kicker got absolutely destroyed.

1/1/2015 4:32:25 PM

so much for the Big XII belonging in the playoff

1/1/2015 4:37:43 PM

wow

1/1/2015 4:37:43 PM

haha that ref

1/1/2015 4:43:40 PM

Good for about an hour and a half there Oregon and tOSU sucked, and the committee blew it but now that MSU won Oregon and tOSU are good again and TCU stinks for losing to that crappy Baylor team.

1/1/2015 5:07:54 PM

Thats exactly why the entire system is retarded. Make a set way to get into the postseason like every other sport.

1/1/2015 5:46:22 PM

Anyone else having issues streaming through WatchESPN?

On several different devices, I'm getting "unauthorized to view" and "unable to load" messages.

Nevermind:

http://deadspin.com/watchespn-goes-down-during-one-of-biggest-espn-broadcas-1677002960

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 5:57 PM. Reason : ]

1/1/2015 5:54:58 PM

Cook needs to touch the ball almost every play. Even on the goaline.

1/1/2015 5:57:06 PM

Crazy that FSU is 0/4 on 4th downs all year before that play.

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 5:59 PM. Reason : think he was down but that's not a great angle.]

1/1/2015 5:59:11 PM

Jameis got fat knees from eating all those crab legs

1/1/2015 5:59:44 PM

i wouldnt be surprised if he decided never to play again ....

1/1/2015 6:01:03 PM

I was wondering why they didnt call targeting there

1/1/2015 6:03:32 PM

I have no idea where this game is going, but at this point, they seem to be playing FSU's game. The score is only 8-3 and FSU is hitting them hard. We'll see who wears down first, but FSU is definitely in the game.

1/1/2015 6:11:22 PM

1/1/2015 6:13:52 PM

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"I was wondering why they didnt call targeting there"

yeah i don't know exactly what the rule is, but that looks like targeting to me

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 6:17 PM. Reason : d]

1/1/2015 6:17:26 PM

Heh, all the Big 12 fans who thought they should put two teams in the final 4 ought to have to watch that over and over again.

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"yeah i don't know exactly what the rule is"

He led with his shoulder and hit him dead center in his chest. That fucker needs to look where he's going.

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 6:19 PM. Reason : ?]

1/1/2015 6:17:38 PM

Oregon got away with a major hold in the end zone there. FSU has to settle for FG because of it

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 6:27 PM. Reason : ^i can't tell from that gif, thought he hit him in the helmet though. i could be wrong]

1/1/2015 6:27:01 PM

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"He led with his shoulder and hit him dead center in his chest. That fucker needs to look where he's going."

Can't tell if you are serious. Replay clearly shows him lift off his feet and extend his arms into the kickers head.

1/1/2015 6:29:33 PM

That guy is a huuuge pussy for hitting a kicker like that. Hit a lineman how about it?

1/1/2015 6:33:50 PM

Don't run up on the returner like you're Mike Singletary if you don't want to get hit.

1/1/2015 6:36:10 PM

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"Can't tell if you are serious. Replay clearly shows him lift off his feet and extend his arms into the kickers head."

If you think a flag should have been called there, maybe football isn't for you. It's a good block and a pitiful attempt and pursuing a tackle.

Quote :

"Don't run up on the returner like you're Mike Singletary if you don't want to get hit."

This.

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 6:38 PM. Reason : ?]

1/1/2015 6:36:45 PM

gotta wonder why fsu didn't run a higher percentage play to pick up 4-5 yards prior to the FG attempt

1/1/2015 6:52:34 PM

This is about the best shape FSU has been in at half time all season. They could easily have 17 more points if things broke their way. With any luck, they ought to be able to take over in the second half.

1/1/2015 6:56:12 PM

If they feed Dalvin Cook they'll win.

1/1/2015 7:05:44 PM

Chizik for UNC DC? ok

1/1/2015 7:07:04 PM

that would seem like a good hire to me

1/1/2015 7:08:25 PM

4 leaf clovers grow in their nether regions

1/1/2015 7:09:25 PM

i would assume chizik wants to get back to being a head coach...so if he's successful at UNC i wouldn't expect him to be there long. but maybe i'm wrong there.

1/1/2015 7:10:53 PM

So I guess Mr. Hat is about to get fired.

1/1/2015 7:11:06 PM

Damn he could turn that defense into a jugger....I just can't type it without laughing.

Big whoop.

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 7:16 PM. Reason : 35-7]

1/1/2015 7:16:05 PM

I thought we'd be past the "UNC is a sleepin giant" stuff after they didn't live up to preseason hype (yet again) and tailed off badly toward the end of the year...at least in years past they've finished kinda strong. But now that they've made a splash hire, you can bet the UNC as a darkhorse predictions will start back this offseason.

1/1/2015 7:19:41 PM

Preseason top 25 no question

1/1/2015 7:26:36 PM