people do bad things. That is not what I am talking about.

[Edited on March 24, 2016 at 3:09 PM. Reason : THANKS DOH]

3/24/2016 3:08:20 PM

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" And please the situation I made is hypothetical. Please let me know if you agree one neighborhood would be much worse a generation or two later. "

My point was that in 2016, the poor economic and crime situations are what cause the higher drug arrest rates, not vice versa.

I think if you apply your example to 2 middle class neighborhoods, arresting 8 times as many drug users in one neighborhood would have a detrimental effect on drug users only (1/5 of the neighborhood in your example).

Again this only applies to people already choosing to break the law.

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" would you assume neighborhood A, after awhile, would be driven into a shit hole of broken families and people who hated the police?"

The assumption that the war on drugs is the main cause of single parent households in 2016 isn’t the case. This isn’t a KKK swat team breaking into a stable black home to arrest a married man for rolling a joint in the bathroom, this is a highschool girl getting knocked up… there was no family structure to begin with.

When I reference the “single parent household by race” statistic, I do it because it has a very high correlation with wealth and success for both parents and children. Naturally you will have ignorant comments like:

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"[jce thinks] only the blacks have teen pregnancies because they don't do life decisions good durp durp"

The point is this correlation works regardless of your race.

There are so many factors that determine success in 2016 America and the fact that the bleeding heart SJWs are still saying it’s something as irrelevant as skin color… it takes some serious cognitive dissonance that can only exist when you live in a liberal bubble protected from common sense.

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" The point is, until everyone is treated equally under the justice system, what is the fucking point of talking about personal responsibility?"

If the justice system is “so racist”, doesn’t it make sense for people to encourage good choices to avoid the system altogether?

Does an Asian father tell his son “Asians are bad drivers, so don’t bother following the traffic laws, they are racist”.

3/24/2016 4:00:59 PM

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"The assumption that the war on drugs is the main cause of single parent households in 2016 isn’t the case."

Do you have any evidence to support this? To be honest, I don't necessarily have any specific evidence to refute it, I'm just curious.

Also as a side note, the war on drugs started as a response to the psychedelic revolution in the 1960s NOT to crime levels in urban areas. Those drugs weren't even harmful to individuals like the ones that we have today. Most of these substances literally haven't been studied (in america) in over 50 years.

[Edited on March 24, 2016 at 4:16 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2016 4:13:17 PM

I still haven't heard any proposals from the Social Justice Warriors crowd on how to fix the alleged rampant racist discrimination in today's society.

So mean that the mean white racist conspirators only to choose to pick on the poo black folk and not any other racial group.

3/24/2016 4:15:36 PM

My solution is another psychedelic revolution. Mass boundary dissolution is what our government is most afraid of. Its the illusion of separateness that keeps people down.

3/24/2016 4:17:28 PM

the other big issue is this: I believe drug use should be decriminalized. I'm ok with certain drugs being illegal but I disagree any drug use should carry a prison sentence. Now if you take drugs and cause an incident then that is a crime but that is not exclusive to drug use. The legality of drug use and the way you swing it around like a sword is tiresome.

im on my phone so it's difficult to address that other shit.

3/24/2016 4:18:02 PM

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"“If the words 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on.”"

- Terence McKenna

So yeah the drug war can lick my ballz1441

[Edited on March 24, 2016 at 4:21 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2016 4:21:03 PM

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"The point is, until everyone is treated equally under the justice system, what is the fucking point of talking about personal responsibility? If everyone is not held to the same level of personal responsiblity its a pointless thing to talk about it. and bravo for following the law! I bet you're fun at parties. As for racism between now and 1950, we no longer enforce laws which are directly racist (separate bathrooms, segregation etc). I have no doubt on my mind that many parts of the country wouldn't mind going back to doing this. "

I don't really care for most drug laws and the cost of imprisoning so many people. I don't use any illegal drugs but if I wanted to, it would be hard to make an argument from a jail cell. This is where personal responsibility comes in to play. Bernie Sanders likes to say that drug addicts are not criminals but if you have to break the law before you become an addict then yes you are a criminal.

And I'm no fun at parties but you'd get a DD for sure. But I agree with you that there are still a lot of racist people out there from every race but systemically racist laws are illegal so if you can find one then I will agree with you, that law is racist.

The stats ya'll keep talking about do show a gap between the black and white communities as far as violence, wealth, or incarceration and I do have empathy for my fellow man. So I choose not to give excuses because they have run out a long time ago and making up a fake excuse like white privilege is only going to prolong the problem. These are real life consequences and trying to blame them on a mystical force is doing no one any favors.

3/24/2016 8:48:37 PM

Good lord man.

If we made eating meat illegal then anyone who eats meat is a criminal. It's totally arbitrary.

We could then sit around and talk about how sad the broken families and shitty neighborhoods are in the wake of raided pig pickings throughout the state.

Maybe we should make drinking blue moon illegal and clear out swaths of lame ass people from the population and put them in prisons.

3/24/2016 11:27:39 PM

why start at Blue Moon?

might as well go for it and make Trolley Pubs illegal. bigger swath of lames than only Blue Moon Lames.

3/25/2016 12:01:41 AM

I mean at least in that case there is some form of nominal exercise involved

3/25/2016 12:12:03 AM

If society wants to make something illegal then as citizens we should abide by those laws or accept the consequences. I really don't like the idea of paying taxes for non violent incarceration because of drugs and sometimes I think we should just let Darwin do his thing, but regardless of what you think is a good or bad law, the best way to change it is to vote, lobby, or campaign and you can't do that if you're a felon. So follow the laws you don't agree while you try to get them changed.

3/25/2016 12:26:11 AM

Wow that's a basket full of dumb.

3/25/2016 1:09:51 AM

^what part is dumb?

i suspect you feel his opinion is dumb because you support the hildabeast who will do nothing to stop the war on drugs so his opinion hits a little too close to home.

[Edited on March 25, 2016 at 6:45 AM. Reason : d]

3/25/2016 6:34:16 AM

I'd like to go back to JCE getting worked up about under aged girls having babies. Am I the only one who finds the focus of his blame Little creepy and weird.

His opinion is dumb bc the war on drugs is a failed idea and we will look back and laugh like we current look at prohibition. what a stupid idea! Booze is great AMIRITE!


[Edited on March 25, 2016 at 8:02 AM. Reason : Hhhh]

3/25/2016 7:59:43 AM

He probably brought it up because people talk about the wealth disparity between the black and white communities to pretend like there is a privilege to be white. Before the civil rights movement the single parent rate for black families was around 20% and ~50 years after the civil rights movement the rate jumped to near 70%. The rate also increased for whites and hispanics but not nearly as much. It's a big deal because single parents who cannot finish school is a big indicator in poverty and then crime. These increases have continued to climb despite the fact that systemic racist laws have been struck down decades ago.

You know I blame the people making the decisions but that's only because they make their own decisions.

3/25/2016 10:34:55 AM

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"i suspect you feel his opinion is dumb because you support the hildabeast who will do nothing to stop the war on drugs so his opinion hits a little too close to home. "

I suspect you're trying too hard.

3/25/2016 10:47:18 AM

So under-priviledged African-Americans are exempt from personal responsibility from poor choices due to the mean racism that exists in the system to oppress them.

So what about under-privileged White-Americans? Do they not matter. #PoorWhitePeopleMatter!

3/25/2016 2:57:16 PM

I think youre not seeing the forest through the trees.

The way you judge an individual who's in a bad spot is case-by-case and dependent on that individual. of course you should never just give a person a pass if they did something wrong.

But the way you decide public and social policy has to be based on studies and analysis and statistics, not anecdotes.

Youre misconstruing calls for better policing, fair employment policies, fair fine policies, etc., as a demand to absolve hypothetical specific individuals of responsibility for their actions, which is a non-sequitor.

If some poor black kid is trying to break into my house and I catch him, i'm not going to give him a pass or treat him differently than anyone else trying to break into my house, but this doesn't mean I can't acknowledge that had public policy been different, the series of events that lead him to choose criminality might never have happened.

3/25/2016 3:02:37 PM

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"He probably brought it up because people talk about the wealth disparity between the black and white communities to pretend like there is a privilege to be white. Before the civil rights movement the single parent rate for black families was around 20% and ~50 years after the civil rights movement the rate jumped to near 70%. The rate also increased for whites and hispanics but not nearly as much. It's a big deal because single parents who cannot finish school is a big indicator in poverty and then crime. These increases have continued to climb despite the fact that systemic racist laws have been struck down decades ago. "

Exactly. As I referenced previously, it should be called "Asian Privilege" because Asian Americans do better in most measurable categories of success. Is that because Asian's do better with family structure, lawfulness, employment, and high school graduation rates? Certainly not, those factors have nothing to do with success! Your success is predetermined based on your skin color, and how many "victim points" your class gets in the progressive stack.

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" I still haven't heard any proposals from the Social Justice Warriors crowd on how to fix the alleged rampant racist discrimination in today's society."

It's not about "fixing" anything to SJWs. It's about making yourself feel good, giving yourself an unearned sense of morale superiority, and trying to silence people that disagree. Every "White Privilege" article you share on Facebook... sure in your mind you are marching with Dr. King and you are a civil rights hero, but in reality all you are doing is saying "HEY, LOOK AT ME! Look how much I care! Why don't you care! I'm such a good person". As long as 2016 "Activism" is nothing but sharing HuffPost articles, Hashtags, and profile filter changes, this lazy uninformed breed of SJW will continue to satisfy it's desire for validation and attention in the echo-chamber of social media... blindly supporting whatever victim narrative it is presented with.

3/25/2016 3:07:32 PM

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

3/25/2016 3:45:33 PM

this thread is full of white people

3/25/2016 3:49:13 PM

It kinda disolved into a drug prohibition convo. I like that better.

3/25/2016 5:00:22 PM

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" If society wants to make something illegal then as citizens we should abide by those laws or accept the consequences. I really don't like the idea of paying taxes for non violent incarceration because of drugs and sometimes I think we should just let Darwin do his thing, but regardless of what you think is a good or bad law, the best way to change it is to vote, lobby, or campaign and you can't do that if you're a felon. So follow the laws you don't agree while you try to get them changed"

Eh, or be rich. They aren't going in the pockets of people coming out of bars in Santa Monica looking for drugs because those people have attorneys.

3/25/2016 8:00:47 PM

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"It kinda disolved into a drug prohibition convo. I like that better."

I once read that arguing with a liberal was like nailing jello to the wall

3/25/2016 11:30:58 PM

I once read that arguing with a conservative was like nailing jello to the wall

3/26/2016 1:15:46 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/30/us/black-privilege/

3/31/2016 1:03:22 PM

Comparing a real thing to a specifically contrived analogy. Nice

3/31/2016 1:30:31 PM

Im going to assume the only people talking about "black privilege" are poor white people and rich people who exploit poor white people.

3/31/2016 2:22:09 PM

I read that article the other day.


Rubbish


I think one of the people saying there was a black privilege cited Black History Month as an example.

3/31/2016 2:33:33 PM

BUT THERE'S NO WHITE HISTORY MONTH!!

OR W.E.T. (WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION)!!11

AND WHAT'S UP WITH KWANZZA??

3/31/2016 2:43:39 PM

To be fair, there's no white history either. The purpose of the nationstate was to disrupt the true communities of the old world and bundle people together in a society where the only common trait everyone shares is their need to consume. The only history we actually celebrate (black history month included) is military history in disguise.

3/31/2016 2:59:56 PM

Black History Month was created by white people to remind the blacks every year that they used to be property.

3/31/2016 3:05:47 PM

Race is a social construcctttttttttt

[Edited on March 31, 2016 at 3:10 PM. Reason : someone fucking kill me]

3/31/2016 3:10:30 PM

I thought CSPAN or Fox News was W.E.T.

3/31/2016 3:14:13 PM

What exactly is entertainment anyways?

3/31/2016 3:15:48 PM

this

3/31/2016 3:26:28 PM

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"So if two students attend the same university, take the same classes, have the same grades and get the same degree, the one whose parents make the most money is overwhelmingly more likely to make more money than the one whose parents make less money."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorrison/2016/03/31/youll-never-guess-the-biggest-factor-in-graduate-salaries/#44a08a030911

It all goes back to income inequality.

3/31/2016 4:19:04 PM

I grew up poor and the only financial advice my parents gave me was to keep buying TWW usernames

[Edited on March 31, 2016 at 5:10 PM. Reason : and that shit has worked out great]

3/31/2016 5:10:50 PM

Ok...now go back two generations....see?

3/31/2016 11:04:28 PM

^^^ Wait, you're telling me there are factors besides the color of one's skin?

Mind = Blown

4/1/2016 12:53:17 AM

Are black people still bitching?

4/1/2016 1:14:05 AM

no, all is forgiven and we have collectively agreed to stop complaining about the police, wealth disparity due to white privilege, and racism.

#AprilFools

4/1/2016 8:59:01 AM

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"Wait, you're telling me there are factors besides the color of one's skin? "

April Fools joke? Or....

You realize that income inequality goes back to skin color, right?

4/1/2016 9:36:36 AM

it's almost like these are overlapping issues that have some of the same root causes

4/1/2016 10:01:41 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/31/us/chicago-shootings-homicides-summer/index.html

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"Andre's death is part of a massive spike in violence since the start of the year. By March 31, 141 people had been killed, according to the Chicago Police Department. On Thursday, eight were shot and two of them died in one hour alone, Chicago Police said. "

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"Fears of a 'long, hot summer' as Chicago racks up a deadly record"

I bet it white peoples fault that African-Americans are killing in each other too in Chicago during the summer!
White Privilege is not shooting my neighbors to show my street cred!

#Oppression #BlackLivesMatterONLYWhenKilledByWhitesCops #Racism #CopsAreALLRacist #HandsUpDontShootMyths
#StopSnitchin

4/1/2016 12:59:04 PM

I was poor as shit and white.... Who do I get to blame??

4/1/2016 3:20:48 PM

personal anecdotes and strawmen do not make good arguments.

4/1/2016 3:38:12 PM

^^ probably your worthless parents or grand parents.

4/1/2016 4:23:54 PM

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"You realize that income inequality goes back to skin color, right?"

What does wealth have to do with anything? It's not as if crime and poverty have any correlation. The only correlation is white cops harass black citizens because 2016 society is racist. The way to solve this is for all white men to apologize and acknowledge they are racist, they can do this by spamming hashtags and white-guilt articles in social media. Also if you disagree with this you are a racist bigot homophobe.

4/1/2016 5:20:03 PM