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"Here's a positive effect: Hodge stops this before he gets us in trouble."

and you think you're going to accomplish that by whining about it on tww? that's all i'm saying.

10/17/2011 11:57:54 AM

Of course not

You're the one who said I was "drawing a bunch of attention to it", not me. I figured that attention could be positive.

Did I miss something

[Edited on October 17, 2011 at 12:01 PM. Reason : I do think if he's made aware of the potential issue at hand, it could curb his yappin.]

10/17/2011 12:00:48 PM

I hope he's alredy aware of the potential issues of his actions (and tweets)

Anyways, it's encouraging that Warren didn't committ to the Heels on his OV this weekend, i guess.

10/17/2011 12:19:34 PM

^also that he's hanging out in raleigh for a few days and will hopefully stop by for an unofficial.

10/17/2011 12:42:40 PM

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"In a game like recruiting if you aren't exploiting the loopholes you aren't doing it correctly."

i agree completely, but "if you're not cheating you're not trying" is kind of reversed when it comes to twitter.

10/17/2011 12:58:14 PM

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" Anyways, it's encouraging that Warren didn't committ to the Heels on his OV this weekend, i guess."

I thought this too, at first, but then I concluded that it means nothing since these high end players do not tend let their decision out until they have a chance to do a decision press conference.

10/17/2011 1:00:26 PM

^^I am not sure what you are getting at. The facts of the matter seem to be that this is NOT cheating.

[Edited on October 17, 2011 at 1:01 PM. Reason : asdf]

10/17/2011 1:00:58 PM

You people and your Julius Hodge debates.....

10/17/2011 1:08:19 PM

^^ "the facts" meaning the consensus on tww?

it's not an ncaa violation to post pictures of yourself at a party on twitter either, but if you just put things out there that seem off maybe someone decides to look closer. that's what i'm getting at.

10/17/2011 1:22:13 PM

does anyone actually know the regulations here, or are you all just speculating about it mattering:

1 - whether he's employed by the university or not
2 - whether he refers to the person by name or not
3 - this being a very minor point in the end, even if it is a violation.


Being that he's a *highly* public figure involved with NCSU athletics, I'd imagine our compliance people who know the regulations inside and out are watching his tweets like a hawk (and anyone else involved with the athletic program), especially considering the recent UNC football trainwreck, but perhaps that's wishful thinking.

10/17/2011 1:29:03 PM

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"does anyone actually know the regulations here, or are you all just speculating "

Did you even read the posts before yours?

[Edited on October 17, 2011 at 1:35 PM. Reason : "Does anyone KNOW the rules... let me SPECULATE about our compliance department."]

10/17/2011 1:33:28 PM

Quote :

"Did you even read the posts before yours?"

everything about it on the last two pages, and I don't see anyone posting authoritatively about individual regulations, just speculation and assumptions. hence my question. if someone knows for sure, or can link to the regs involved, that would probably be helpful.

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"Does anyone KNOW the rules... let me SPECULATE about our compliance department"

obviously 'I'd imagine' means I'm taking a guess on the NCSU compliance front, whereas posts on regulations in this thread don't appear to be so straightforward...hence my question.

10/17/2011 1:38:59 PM

From the Technician story I posted earlier

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"According to NCAA regulations created in 2006, "… communication via message boards, chat rooms, walls, comments, blogs, IM, etc. is not permissible." School representatives can initiate contact with a recruit a limited number of times, and Facebook messages may undermine these opportunities. Such violations are rarely enforced by the NCAA, but are more often enforced by the host school."

tldr U DUMB

10/17/2011 4:23:16 PM

There's no NCAA rule that says a booster (Hodge) can't say 'we need a good SF' to nobody in particular. (btw, the NCAA manual is free to download from http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4224-2011-2012-ncaa-division-i-manual-august-2011.aspx)

He didn't mention names, didn't send a communication to anyone in particular (tag the tweet). He's fine.

10/17/2011 5:12:30 PM

modlin wins

10/17/2011 5:24:44 PM

I'm only belaboring this argument because those of you coming to Hodge's defense have some stupid fucking reasoning

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"idn't send a communication to anyone in particular (tag the tweet)"

And the John Wall group wasn't "sent" to Wall. You can commit violations indirectly.

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"There's no NCAA rule that says a booster (Hodge) can't say 'we need a good SF' to nobody in particular."

You know who he was talking about. So do I, so does the compliance department, the coaching staff, and, most importantly the NCAA. The NCAA doesn't operate under the same standards of proof as a U.S. court -- there is no beyond the shadow of a doubt. And, come on, there is no reasonable doubt here about who he was addressing.

I don't think anything is going to come of this, but it's certainly a minor violation by the letter of the law. More importantly, something could happen if Hodge doesn't check his tweets. To act like he's a babe in the woods is naive itself.

10/17/2011 5:29:14 PM

wow, Ernie, you sound like a whiny bitch right now

10/17/2011 5:42:11 PM

Glad you could take time out of your busy schedule of sending facebook friend requests to random TWW girls to hit me with that sick burn, Ribs.

10/17/2011 5:43:39 PM

you got me good

10/17/2011 5:44:59 PM

We'll call it even

Just realize that I'm the one here that has a legit argument

Everyone else is all NUH-UH

10/17/2011 5:45:49 PM

you must have missed the modlin post where he proved you wrong

couple posts up if you missed it

10/17/2011 5:47:49 PM

Well, since you mentioned it, here's what the NCAA manual has to say:

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"13.01.1 eligibility effects of recruiting Violation. The recruitment of a student-athlete by a member institution or any representative of its athletics interests in violation of the Association’s legislation, as acknowledged by the institution or established through the Association’s enforcement procedures, shall result in the student-athlete becoming ineligible to represent that institution in intercollegiate athletics."

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"13.10.2 Comments Before signing. Before the signing of a prospective student-athlete to a National Letter of Intent or an institution’s written offer of admission and/or financial aid, a member institution may comment publicly only to the extent of confirming its recruitment of the prospective student-athlete. The institution may not comment generally about the prospective student-athlete’s ability or the contribution that the prospective student-athlete might make to the institution’s team; further, the institution is precluded from commenting in any manner as to the likelihood of the prospective student-athlete’s signing with that institution."

10/17/2011 5:51:37 PM

I'm surprised that Ernie is still involved in this argument. I thought he would be above this.

10/17/2011 5:53:12 PM

I'm just waiting for Ribs to go Ike Clanton and call me LAW DAWG

Then I'll be done

10/17/2011 5:55:06 PM

I don't get it

10/17/2011 5:55:52 PM

And with that, I must say

10/17/2011 5:57:45 PM

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"You know who he was talking about."

Actually, I don't. Honest truth.

10/17/2011 6:04:32 PM

from previous page

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"Tyler Lewis workout and HiGhLighT vid (i think most of the highlights are old): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khwseld8Glg&feature=player_embedded"

10/17/2011 6:40:33 PM

Meh. Harrow's videos were just as if not more impressive. As we have seen, when you are that small, your best chance at making an impact in your early years is from outside shooting.

He's going to get knocked down, get his shit blocked to the upper deck, or take really bad shots when he goes inside.

Not saying he won't be a good player, but it's going to take some time.

10/17/2011 7:54:46 PM

i don't recall harrow having this horrible freshman campaign. he wasn't an all league guy right away but for a freshman i thought he was fine and showed promise.

10/17/2011 8:46:55 PM

Sour grapes. As a freshman pg, he averaged 9.3 pts, 3.3 assists/1.8 turnovers in 23 minutes. Yeah, he only shot 39% from the field (and 87% from the line), but he had a pretty good rookie season. A lot of the PP posters are gonna feel stupid when he's kicking ass at Kentucky next year.

10/17/2011 9:05:15 PM

I thought he showed promise, too, but I don't think he was a net positive. 39% is too low to be worth it, especially if our rebounding sucks ball sack. I also think he will be sick at Kentucky. It all takes time.


Given poor rebounding and poor defense, you can almost count a missed shot entirely as turnover. With the first two problems, we needed a better shooting team to have success. Harrow also contributed a lot to poor defense.

[Edited on October 17, 2011 at 9:14 PM. Reason : .]

10/17/2011 9:11:54 PM

^^he also couldnt guard a single player in the acc

but yes, he wasnt terrible just disappointing for his hype and a huge pussy

10/17/2011 10:39:04 PM

i think the former can be blamed on the latter, unfortunately. he is going to be good at kentucky, after having learned a hard lesson at nc state.

10/17/2011 10:57:26 PM

^
I think he'll end up being a decent contributor for UK, nothing else.

10/17/2011 11:57:29 PM

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"A lot of the PP posters are gonna feel stupid when he's kicking ass at Kentucky next year. "

No way he's "kicking ass" ever at UK unless he develops a consistent three point shot and adds about 20 lbs of muscle. Plus with the kids Calapari is recruiting, Harrow will be a 6th or 7th man at best limiting his chances of breaking out. I wish him the best, but if he wanted serious PT, he should have stayed here.

10/18/2011 2:05:09 PM

yeah, we'll see.

10/18/2011 2:12:49 PM

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"No way he's "kicking ass" ever at UK unless he develops a consistent three point shot and adds about 20 lbs of muscle."

you say it like this is improbable. this is the same thing that every single freshman point guard ever in history has had to do; it happens all the time.

10/18/2011 2:31:31 PM

^ Well maybe if he develops a work ethic which he did not demonstrate while here. He's got this off year so putting on the muscle should happen and the 3pt/jump shot will just take hours and hours in the gym.

The more I think about it, developing his deep range game should come eventually considering he is such a lights out FT shooter. He has to be a man and recognize that he'll have to work hard to achieve success.

10/18/2011 5:52:35 PM

before coming to NCSU, Harrow was attending camps and work-out sessions around the country. from everything i saw and read, he has a serious work ethic. is everybody basing their accusations of "poor work ethic" on one of Hodge's tweets, the fact that he didn't appear to be very "sick" when he sat out that game, and the pic of him pouting at the Gott press conference?

and he has a shot, i remember watching one his high school games where he made 6 threes in a row.

[Edited on October 18, 2011 at 6:14 PM. Reason : ]

10/18/2011 6:13:23 PM

pshh I've made 6 threes in a row in a game

as long as I'm wearing my green pants

10/18/2011 6:16:27 PM

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"before coming to NCSU, Harrow was attending camps and work-out sessions around the country."

Anyone's mom can force them to go to work outs and camps. The real key is what happens when you turn them loose

10/18/2011 6:24:21 PM

well i mean hes gonna take great care of her in 2 years so...

im sure he is working very hard even though he has been "turned loose"

10/18/2011 6:28:42 PM

I did a quick scan of the non-recruiting crap since the 15th and I don't think it was mentioned that D'Vauntes Smith-Rivera committed to Georgetown. Didn't he cancel a visit with us when Purvis committed?

10/18/2011 10:51:05 PM

yeah he did. i think the purvis commitment ruled out DSR

10/19/2011 3:16:52 AM

Quote :

"before coming to NCSU, Harrow was attending camps and work-out sessions around the country. from everything i saw and read, he has a serious work ethic. is everybody basing their accusations of "poor work ethic" on one of Hodge's tweets, the fact that he didn't appear to be very "sick" when he sat out that game, and the pic of him pouting at the Gott press conference? "

of course harrow has a great work ethic...i mean he was a 5 star PG in high school...you don't get to that level w/out putting the time and effort in

for me it was about his teamwork and putting himself before the team. he just seemed very selfish and unwilling to adapt to the players around him.

10/19/2011 8:34:30 AM

^it wasn't his work ethic that bothered me. It was his mental toughness. If he can't take fans getting on your/your teams/your coaches back then he is in the wrong business. And if he can't handle that, then how is he going to handle scoring a basket with 5 seconds left with us down 1? Good riddance to him and good luck

10/19/2011 11:01:05 PM

so tuff

10/19/2011 11:36:08 PM

^^ exactly. I was gonna remind everyone of the letter he wrote to the fans while he was still in high school to defend the coach and the team. If that wasn't a bad sign of things to come for him...

10/20/2011 8:42:39 AM

NC State commitment Tyler Lewis didn't take long to put his talents on display for Mouth of Wilson (VA) Oak Hill Academy.

The 5-foot-11 four-star point guard totaled 22 points, 14 assists, three steals, three rebounds and just four turnovers in Oak Hill's 105-75 win over Massanutten Military Academy.

Lewis knocked down 4-of-5 3-point attempts as well.

Oak Hill (1-0) returns to action Friday night.

A four-star prospect, Lewis is rated the No. 8 point guard in the country by Scout.com. He's considered the nation's No. 61 player overall.

10/20/2011 10:03:25 AM